The Freeman Movement and England

[geni]

You can invent as many legal systems as you like. But this nation is under the law of England.

No this nation is under:

English and Welsh law
Scotish law
North Irish law
and technicaly Udal law

It depends where you are.

Unless, of course, you are suckered in to the commercial law scam being run by the Admiralty law courts/commercial courts. Who cannot care a fig for your consent or not. It's an industry !!!!!!! THE LEGAL INDUSTRY. And is has nothing to do with the law of England.

Civil law and criminal law are supurate issues and not paying your taxes falls under criminal law.

 

[Lothian]

I am saying the very opposite. I am saying that when the Law of England is appealed to (which expressly says consent must exist in both parties of a contract) the lack of consent of any one party nullifies the 'contract'. Since one party does NOT consent to it.

I am very familiar with contract law. You are arguing that statute laws do not apply to people who do not consent to them. I am asking for you to provide one case where someone has successfully argued this in court.

 

[geni]

I am saying the very opposite. I am saying that when the Law of England is appealed to (which expressly says consent must exist in both parties of a contract) the lack of consent of any one party nullifies the 'contract'. Since one party does NOT consent to it.

Contract law is civil law (which is not the same as a civil law system). Taxes are criminal.

The absurdity of the situation is that the system is so corrupt you are not even aware you are not being heard under the law of England but of Admiralty/commercial law. A fact you should be made aware of. Since your consent matters. And so does mine.

Criminal court cases in the UK are in no way consistent with those held under civil law.

Which is precisely why, in such cases, we appeal to the law of England when in an English court. The whole system is a threatre for the unwary victims of 'laws' which are not laws at all. Statutes.

You can appeal to whatever you like. Won't keep you out of gaol.

 

[Especially]

Parliment hasn't been sucessfuly overthrown since 1660 and that was through militry force.



The crown.



Thats not true under UK law. It's true under a number of legal systems mostly influence by napoleon but not UK law.



Admiralty and commercial are seperate entities and unless you live in pakistan or are at sea you are not subject to anything resembling Admiralty law. Comercial law is limited to civil law while not paying your taxes falls under criminal law.

Dear friend,

I now realise you are badly misinformed. The sovereignty of a nation is with its people. Since the people choose who will govern them. Theirs is national sovereignty, under the law. If you do not know this you know nothing.

The unelected dynasty is NOT the source of sovereignty. We have learned this over, and over, and over again. The 'sovereign' is a mere symbol of the feudal system which has made you (and you can check it on your passport) a SUBJECT of her feudal rule.

And finally, Sir, the supreme law of England is the Law of England. Since the law of England must be complied with, even by those rogues who today operate according to Admiralty Law, and this they MUST do if you appeal to it. Under the law of England.

These things are all very simple. But they represent, I suggest, a real challenge for you to appreciate.

Put it this way. Nobody forces me into a contract without my expressed consent. Is that fair and reasonable to you ? And I am happy to tell you I have the support of the Law of England. Which expressly says so.

You may choose, however, to be suckered, if you please.

Regards

 

[Especially]

Contract law is civil law (which is not the same as a civil law system). Taxes are criminal.



Criminal court cases in the UK are in no way consistent with those held under civil law.



You can appeal to whatever you like. Won't keep you out of gaol.

Taxes are not criminal if you unknowingly consent to pay them.

A criminal court case is not a commercial court case.

I am not in jail. For the simple reason that I appeal to the Law of England and am happy to be a lawful person. Who consents or does not consent to what is placed before me. As is my right in the law of England. Because, in my world, consent matters. And I exercise it or do not exercise it, as I see fit. Under the law. While you are happy to be governed by statutes. While you toy around with different law systems, knowing none of them, and being duped from cradle to grave by commercial courts and a commercialised legal industry.

The dumbed down masses never suspect that their own Constitution, their own laws are being torn to pieces by these counterfeits. They think it's the 'law'.

Let them remain ignorant if they so choose. Just keep paying.

Regards

 

[geni]

Dear friend,

I now realise you are badly misinformed. The sovereignty of a nation is with its people. Since the people choose who will govern them. Theirs is national sovereignty, under the law. If you do not know this you know nothing.

No thats what forigeners think. Britian has always differed in it's legal situation.

The unelected dynasty is NOT the source of sovereignty. We have learned this over, and over, and over again. The 'sovereign' is a mere symbol of the feudal system which has made you (and you can check it on your passport) a SUBJECT of her feudal rule.

Under common and statue law the crown is the source of sovereignty. The crown invented common law so why should you expect things to be otherwise?

And finally, Sir, the supreme law of England is the Law of England.

"supreme law" doean't make sense under the English and welsh legal sysem.

Since the law of England must be complied with, even by those rogues who today operate according to Admiralty Law, and this they MUST do if you appeal to it. Under the law of England.

Nothing resembling Admiralty Law has applied to any of the mainland UK since the Cinque Ports lost their powers back in the 16th century.

These things are all very simple. But they represent, I suggest, a real challenge for you to appreciate.

Put it this way. Nobody forces me into a contract without my expressed consent. Is that fair and reasonable to you ? And I am happy to tell you I have the support of the Law of England. Which expressly says so.

Contract law isn't relivant to the majority of the issues you raise.

 

[volatile]

But an Admiralty Court (and you still have not accepted that courts hearing these cases are operating under Commercial Law, have you ?) must comply/conform to the law of the land. And the person who helps you is yourself. Who, from the outset, demands that your case is heard under the Law of England.

OK, but say the judge says "What's this crapola you're spilling me here, Volatile! To gaol with you; this is all nonsense".

Who do I appeal to? If the Admiralty Court summarily send me to gaol (even if I've demanded my case be heard under the Law of England), what's my recourse? You're asking that I appeal to this corrupt system, using uneducated lawyers, in the thrall of despotic Jesuit politicians, to save myself from the very same system? Really, how does this work in practice? Tell me what I should do if, having failed to pay my council tax and demanded I be tried "under the Law of England", I end up in gaol anyway?

I really don't understand. If these people are as corrupt as you say they are, why would they accede to my demands anyway? You'll need to spell this out for me... as I said, I've clearly been brainwashed.

 

[geni]

I am not in jail. For the simple reason that I appeal to the Law of England and am happy to be a lawful person. Who consents or does not consent to what is placed before me. As is my right in the law of England. Because, in my world, consent matters. And I exercise it or do not exercise it, as I see fit. Under the law. While you are happy to be governed by statutes. While you toy around with different law systems, knowing none of them, and being duped from cradle to grave by commercial courts and a commercialised legal industry.

So how many times have you refused to pay your council tax?

The dumbed down masses never suspect that their own Constitution, their own laws are being torn to pieces by these counterfeits. They think it's the 'law'.

Post Regency crisis basicaly anything parliament does is constitutional.

 

[volatile]

By the way, Rolfe - I'm most definitely English and am stumped as to your location!

 

[D'rok]

Judges do not write the Common Law. They merely review it and adhere to it.

Let's dissect this a little shall we? How about we take a look at one area of common law. Let's say we look at torts. In particular, let's look at the tort of negligence. Even more particularly, let's look at the concept of duty of care within the tort of negligence.

Can you tell me when and how the concept of duty of care entered into the tort of negligence in English common law?

Please bear with me. This little exercise will go a long way to determining just how the common law is made.

 

[Rolfe]

I haven't seen anything this funny since Robbie the Pict refused to pay his road tax.

Rolfe.

 

[Especially]

Let's dissect this a little shall we? How about we take a look at one area of common law. Let's say we look at torts. In particular, let's look at the tort of negligence. Even more particularly, let's look at the concept of duty of care within the tort of negligence.

Can you tell me when and how the concept of duty of care entered into the tort of negligence in English common law?

Please bear with me. This little exercise will go a long way to determining just how the common law is made.

Sir,

You are slightly confused.

The Common Law has nothing to do with the legal industry. Let me repeat this because it will serve you well if your interest is in the law. The Common Law has nothing to do with the legal industry. It was outside of it. And is still outside of it.

Now, you can discuss any aspect of the English common law. But you must come outside of your bubble to see it right. You must forget the legal industry and talk honestly about the law of England.

I tell you the Common Law is NOT 'made' by anyone. Not by judges, not by lawyers. Let me repeat this also. The Common Law has nothing, nothing to do with judges, lawyers or politicians. It is the condensed wisdom of all ages. It is the Golden Rule. Applied as a general principle from time immemorial. The principle of 'doing unto others as we would have done unto ourselves'. That principle does not belong to you. It belongs to the people. It is their law. Not the law of the legal industry. The hallmark of the common law (its DNA, if you like) is that it is an expression of that great principle.

So, in answer to your question, what the legal profession have done with torts is not relevant. They have used the Common Law because they cannot ignore it. They have manipulated it and defined it according to their own rules. But the Common Law remains greater than the legal industry.

The tort of negligence is derived from the Golden Rule, is it not ? But what are your torts when, in fact, the legal industry is full of rogues ? When every honest judge is well able to know that the Golden Rule is the supreme expression of what is law. Exposing all that is not. A child can understand what the lawyers cannot.

Because the law, (so-called) these days, is a paradigm unto itself. Because the legal industry has nothing to do with the law.

You should teach people that the courts are in the hands of rogues. Why not ? You are interested in the law, aren't you ?

 

[D'rok]

The stupid is strong with this one.

 

[Especially]

No this nation is under:

English and Welsh law
Scotish law
North Irish law
and technicaly Udal law

It depends where you are.



Civil law and criminal law are supurate issues and not paying your taxes falls under criminal law.

Wrong.

They are not 'my' taxes. And, as for paying taxes, who does not pay them if they consent to do so ?

This is the civil law. Not criminal law. You are again wrong.

 

[Especially]

The stupid is strong with this one.

Thanks for your contribution. You have me queing up to pay lots of money to people for services I never asked for, which were never quantified, or costed, or ever required by me. And I am so dumb that I pay them without my consent, believing them to be 'laws'.

When somebody tells you they are commercial contracts which you can accept or refuse under the law of the land you think they are stupid. When you are told these bills are only products of contract law and are heard in courts that have nothing to do with the law of the land, you are still not convinced.

You are living proof of Pavlov's theory. Just keep paying man. You deserve it.


Regards

 

[jimbob]

So the reason why people are sent to prison for tax evasion is that they don't ask to be tried under "Teh English Lawz"?

 

[geni]

Wrong.

They are not 'my' taxes. And, as for paying taxes, who does not pay them if they consent to do so ?

How many times have you failed to pay the taxes the Collecting authority that covers the area where you reside claims are due from you?

This is the civil law. Not criminal law. You are again wrong.

Argument by assertion logical fallacy.

 

[D'rok]

Thanks for your contribution. You have me queing up to pay lots of money to people for services I never asked for, which were never quantified, or costed, or ever required by me. And I am so dumb that I pay them without my consent, believing them to be 'laws'.

When somebody tells you they are commercial contracts which you can accept or refuse under the law of the land you think they are stupid. When you are told these bills are only products of contract law and are heard in courts that have nothing to do with the law of the land, you are still not convinced.

You are living proof of Pavlov's theory. Just keep paying man. You deserve it.


Regards

When the FOTL woo-bell rang, did you begin to slobber and wag your tail? Apparently so.

This is the best thread since realistice re-bar.

 

[Especially]

So the reason why people are sent to prison for tax evasion is that they don't ask to be tried under "Teh English Lawz"?

The reason why people are sent to prison for tax evasion differs in each case. Would you like me to review every such case in the entire history of England ? Surely not ! That is not fair and reasonable, is it ?

Which tax are you talking about ? If you have contracted with them to pay tax you must pay tax. Is that difficult to accept ? If you have declined their offer of business and have said so, you are, under the law, not liable for it. Because you have declined their contract. Does that sound fair and reasonable to you ?

So, unless you can be specific you have the best answer your question deserves.

 

[Especially]

When the FOTL woo-bell rang, did you begin to slobber and wag your tail? Apparently so.

This is the best thread since realistice re-bar.

Yes, this thread just gets better. Your Pavlovian servitude is really wonderful. And you pay it all. Because you never stopped to give your consent, did you ?

We get the government we deserve. Because we choose to remain ignorant.