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Is Noam Chomsky a good source?

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As a side comment related to gtc's post, it seems that Antisemitism is not that marginal in the US. A short Google search lead me to the 2007 hate crime table. Anti Jewish hate crime are the second most common ones, behind anti-Black ones. I would say Chomsky did not do his homework in that instance.
Anti-Semitism may be a common theme in hate crimes in the United States, but the frequency of various hate crimes relative to one another cannot be seen as being representative of the prejudices of the general population. Pew surveys in the past few years have found that the percentage of Americans who hold unfavorable views of Jews has consistently remained in the single-digit range. In contrast, Pew measured the percentage of Americans who hold negative views of Muslims as having fluctuated between 31 and a little below 23.
 
Anti-Semitism may be a common theme in hate crimes in the United States, but the frequency of various hate crimes relative to one another cannot be seen as being representative of the prejudices of the general population. Pew surveys in the past few years have found that the percentage of Americans who hold unfavorable views of Jews has consistently remained in the single-digit range. In contrast, Pew measured the percentage of Americans who hold negative views of Muslims as having fluctuated between 31 and a little below 23.

That may be true. However, I would say that it is the instances of extreme behavior, such as hate crimes, which have the greatest influence on the people involved. And according to the hate crime data above, Anti-Jewish hate crimes outnumber Anti-Muslim ones by a factor of 8.
 
That may be true. However, I would say that it is the instances of extreme behavior, such as hate crimes, which have the greatest influence on the people involved. And according to the hate crime data above, Anti-Jewish hate crimes outnumber Anti-Muslim ones by a factor of 8.
There are many dimensions to anti-Muslim/anti-Arab sentiment with the phenomenon of hate crimes being just one of them. Trends seen in various discriminatory practices and civil liberties issues have been causes for concern over the past few years. The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee provides an overview of these many dimensions along with specific examples of each in their 2003-2007 Report on Hate Crimes and Discrimination Against Arab Americans. What evidence do you have that hate crimes are more significant in their effect than all these other problems?
 
...the percentage of Americans who hold unfavorable views of Jews has consistently remained in the single-digit range. In contrast, Pew measured the percentage of Americans who hold negative views of Muslims as having fluctuated between 31 and a little below 23.

I'm shocked--SHOCKED! After all, Islam is a religion of peace, right?
 
There are many dimensions to anti-Muslim/anti-Arab sentiment with the phenomenon of hate crimes being just one of them. Trends seen in various discriminatory practices and civil liberties issues have been causes for concern over the past few years. The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee provides an overview of these many dimensions along with specific examples of each in their 2003-2007 Report on Hate Crimes and Discrimination Against Arab Americans. What evidence do you have that hate crimes are more significant in their effect than all these other problems?

You seem to be changing the subject, which was Chomsky's claim that Antisemitism is not relevant compared to other types of racism. I have brought an example to the contrary. One which is very easy to find. This point was to show that that specific comment is flawed, and he should have done his homework.

Now, you seem to argue that there are other manifestations of racism. That is undoubtedly true. One can ask whether those forms of discrimination hurt Arab Americans more than Jews. To answer that question one has to perform a proper comparative study. Until I see such studies, I confess ignorance regarding this question.

Anyway, the hate crime statistics are enough to make my original point. Namely, that in contrast to Chomsky's claim, antisemitism is still a problem in the US. Furthermore, it is very easy to find data that demonstrates this.
 
You seem to be changing the subject, which was Chomsky's claim that Antisemitism is not relevant compared to other types of racism. I have brought an example to the contrary. One which is very easy to find. This point was to show that that specific comment is flawed, and he should have done his homework.

Now, you seem to argue that there are other manifestations of racism. That is undoubtedly true. One can ask whether those forms of discrimination hurt Arab Americans more than Jews. To answer that question one has to perform a proper comparative study. Until I see such studies, I confess ignorance regarding this question.

Anyway, the hate crime statistics are enough to make my original point. Namely, that in contrast to Chomsky's claim, antisemitism is still a problem in the US. Furthermore, it is very easy to find data that demonstrates this.
I did some research on the Hate Crime Statistics program and found that serious questions have been raised about its accuracy. The Southern Poverty Law Center wrote a lengthy article in their Intelligence Report about the methodological flaws plaguing the FBI's efforts to collect information on the nation's hate crimes. They specifically criticize the 2007 report on their Hatewatch blog and contrast it with a report by the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics based on data from National Crime Victimization Surveys that suggests hate crimes occur at a rate 20 to 30 times greater than what is shown by the FBI's work. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any information on how specific religious groups were targeted in the latter report and so can't compare anti-Muslim crime rates with those of crimes characterized by other biases. However, it is important to note that the SPLC points out that hate crimes of certain biases get underreported because the same kinds of prejudices which make certain groups the targets of hate crimes in the first place can also contribute to a mistrust of the police among those groups, so perhaps anti-Muslim/anti-Arab incident numbers are low in the FBI report not on account of the virulence of the racism against Muslims/Arabs being less significant than that of other less common forms of bigotry but instead because the virulence and quantity of racism against Muslims/Arabs is so great. An LA Times article about the sudden increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes after 9/11 lends credence to this suggestion when it says Islamic leaders told the paper that many Muslims were afraid to go to the police to report hate crimes for fear of becoming the subjects of investigations.
 
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The self reporting of hate crimes by various states could indeed bias the FBI hate crime statistics. Or it may not.

In any case, I have used it to argue that Chomsky was wrong to say that antisemitism is no longer a problem. Do you really believe that a more complete statistics would somehow show that antisemitic hate crimes are very rare? I doubt that this would turn out to be the case.
 
Compared to US military action of the past century, Muslims actually look very peaceful.

I really don't think people from countries that allied themselves to Nazi Germany should condemn the US for participating in World War II.

However, this is off topic and there are many threads dealing with the percieved evilness of the US.
 
Noam Chomsky has lied about 9/11 and thus has no credibility in my opinion. He is not a man for the people as he pretends to be. His infamous question “Who cares?” about 9/11 Truth has revealed he does not genuinely care about humanity. Rather he functions as a gatekeeper for elite controllers in my opinion.
 
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The self reporting of hate crimes by various states could indeed bias the FBI hate crime statistics. Or it may not.
We know there's a good chance it biases the information. We know people are afraid to report being victimized, and we know individuals in charge of reporting hate crimes who are resistant or apathetic to the Hate Crime Statistics program also cause incidents to go uncounted. An inability on the part of some record keepers to recognize some kinds of hate crimes properly has also created a good deal of inaccuracy in the report, and the embarrassment hate crimes can bring to a community further contributes to cases being ignored. Systemic problems play a role too.
In any case, I have used it to argue that Chomsky was wrong to say that antisemitism is no longer a problem. Do you really believe that a more complete statistics would somehow show that antisemitic hate crimes are very rare? I doubt that this would turn out to be the case.
At the most, what we might see is a small minority of people directing an unusual amount of energy toward anti-Semitic activity, but as is evidenced by the Pew surveys, anti-Semitism is far from being thoroughly entrenched in American culture as it once was. I, as a Jew, haven't personally come across much of it, although I supposedly don't really look Jewish, and since I'm secular, most people wouldn't even realize I was a Jew, unless I went out of my way to tell them. Arabophobia/Islamophobia, on the other hand, is much more common in America, and frighteningly, some manifestations of it are often seen as acceptable. This is what Chomsky was trying to explain. Pro-Israel groups warn about a "new anti-Semitism" all the time in order to discredit criticisms of Israel when polls show anti-Semitic beliefs are expressed only by a single-digit percentage of the American population.
 
At the most, what we might see is a small minority of people directing an unusual amount of energy toward anti-Semitic activity, but as is evidenced by the Pew surveys, anti-Semitism is far from being thoroughly entrenched in American culture as it once was. I, as a Jew, haven't personally come across much of it, although I supposedly don't really look Jewish, and since I'm secular, most people wouldn't even realize I was a Jew, unless I went out of my way to tell them. Arabophobia/Islamophobia, on the other hand, is much more common in America, and frighteningly, some manifestations of it are often seen as acceptable. This is what Chomsky was trying to explain. Pro-Israel groups warn about a "new anti-Semitism" all the time in order to discredit criticisms of Israel when polls show anti-Semitic beliefs are expressed only by a single-digit percentage of the American population.

The Pew surveys may have their own biases. As an example, they may reflect the opinions which are perceived to be socially acceptable more than the opinions which people actually hold.

In any case, I am not sure how much to pursue this argument, as we just do not have good information. All I can say, even with your correct remarks on the limitations of the hate crime statistics, they still give some information. Namely, that antisemitism is a problem, and is in fact one of the more common types of hate crimes. You have your own personal experience, but I am not convinced that it explains away the statistics we do have.
 
The Pew surveys may have their own biases. As an example, they may reflect the opinions which are perceived to be socially acceptable more than the opinions which people actually hold.

In any case, I am not sure how much to pursue this argument, as we just do not have good information. All I can say, even with your correct remarks on the limitations of the hate crime statistics, they still give some information. Namely, that antisemitism is a problem, and is in fact one of the more common types of hate crimes. You have your own personal experience, but I am not convinced that it explains away the statistics we do have.
I agree with you that the low quality of information we have on the subject under discussion will probably preclude this conversation from reaching any sort of definite conclusion, although I don't share your presumption that the proportions between anti-Jewish hate crimes and hate crimes motivated by other biases shown in the FBI report are correct. The most important fact in all of this is that there is no reliable evidence to suggest there to be a widespread resurgence of anti-Semitism in the United States, and it is claims from the pro-Israel camp about such a phenomenon which Chomsky criticizes.
 
Compared to US military action of the past century, Muslims actually look very peaceful.

I really don't think people from countries that allied themselves to Nazi Germany should condemn the US for participating in World War II.

However, this is off topic and there are many threads dealing with the percieved evilness of the US.

Weird. For the second time in this thread, I have to say that I've no idea how you could have read the quote that way. I might hazard a guess here: he wasn't talking about WW2.

(Also, Finland was not quite a German ally during the war. As Ben Goldacre would put it, I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that. I know, this is way outside the scope of this thread, but I had to mention it.)
 
Noam Chomsky has lied about 9/11 and thus has no credibility in my opinion. He is not a man for the people as he pretends to be. His infamous question “Who cares?” about 9/11 Truth has revealed he does not genuinely care about humanity. Rather he functions as a gatekeeper for elite controllers in my opinion.


Let me guess: he lied about 9/11 because he doesn't believe it was a gigantic government conspiracy. And because he doesn't believe it, he's against humanity.

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What is it like to live in a world where those who disagree with you are all elitist liars who hate humanity, or else helpless dupes who unknowingly provide cover for a vast conspiracy? Sounds exciting...
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Doc Daneeka
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Sounds exciting...
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You can hear what Chomsky has to say here in a Q & A time, during which he is questioned about what he has had to say in relation to 9/11:
http://vodpod.com/watch/1535594-qa-chomsky-on-the-911-conspiracy-theories

Also refer:
Rebuttal of Noam Chomsky’s 9/11 Comments
http://www.infowars.com/rebuttal-of-noam-chomskys-911-comments/

If you think what I wrote sounds exciting you will enjoy reading The True Story of The Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin. He has been covering the Bilderberg meetings for some time. This reveals that it is the elite who are pulling the strings of government. You will also enjoy listening to the radio show at Infowars.com, which is the most popular radio show on the Internet now. You won't be disappointed!
 
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