No Explosives Here?

Explosives cause a shock wave. Shock waves vibrate and move air molecules causing sounds that are deafening. there is no way around it. No deafening sound? no explosions. simple as that. Debunked



Can you point out the explosions occurring during Kevin Cosgrove's final moments? Does he even mention pre-weakening explosions as some troofers assert occurred?

 
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... My understanding is that thermite burns rather quickly. What was it exactly that was burning at ground zero for 99 days? ...
Thermite is done in seconds or minutes.
Building contents burned for months. You ask easy questions and have big delusions.

What was it exactly that was burning at ground zero
Office stuff. There were 220 floors of junk, 220 acres of office stuff burning for months. Plus floors below level.

I wonder how long I could keep a fire burning with 220 acres of houses dumped on two acres? Gee; I keep my wood stove burning all winter, months, with only two cords of wood, a cord is very small compared to 220 floors of offices filled with tons of junk.
 
I dont think anyone in their right mind can argue the destruction of Towers 1&2 were not highly explosive events. So that is our starting point and something we can be absolutely certain of. Whatever thermite does!
Besides, no one is saying it was regular thermite/

Ok, so this is the typical argument from incredulity -- everyone can see that I am right, I must be right and you must agree with me -- so let's start with me being right and go from there :boxedin:
 
The kind of 'debunking' done for 9/11 on JREF, ('the red/gray chips are in fact paint' oh ok! that explains it) Popular Mechanics, NGC, 911myths, 911debunking, etc etc are not compelling bc they DO NOT explain the facts.

They fail to address others, makes liberal use of straw men, and simply ignore or dismisses evidence! (i.e molten metal) If you find that compelling,,..well there you go. What can I say. I am trying to explain the facts as we know them not fit into some comfortable little niche.

atavisms, please address my question, brah.
 
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... My understanding is that thermite burns rather quickly. What was it exactly that was burning at ground zero for 99 days? ...

220 acres of office paper, office furniture, electronic office equipment primarily made from pvc/plastics, rayon carpets, carpet padding, cleaning and office chemicals, clothing, cable sheathing, plastic light fixture diffusers, cellulose found in sound deadening board, office cubicle partitions, and ceiling tile, glue under carpets and construction adhesive used in drywall, architectural woodwork in some of the fancier offices and boardrooms. plastic laminate, particle board, wall coverings, and of course, the victims themselves.
 
Correct me if im wrong, but don't the charges used for demolition use the ultra high temperature, high pressure plasma created in the detonation to cut the steel, by focusing it into one point, rather than the explosive force of the shockwave in the air?

Yes, I waatched a show just the other day about demolitions. The inside is usually copper, and the heat that is produced pushes the copper through the steel, cutting it like a hot knife through butter. The thockwave just propels it, then another kicker charge knocks it out of the waay so it can fall.

I alwaays thought it was the shockwave that just broke the steel. Turns out, I was wrong.
 
actually I think that was Jim Hoffman's own early research which he abandoned for more compelling lines of inquiry.

In the paper he calculates the energy sinks required, based on the size and expansion rates of the massive dust clouds (which are so well documented) When he calculated the gravitational potential of the building and compared it to the sink required expand the clouds, it was off by a factor of like 10. (I believe)

I am not sure why you would think a highly redundant structure would turn it self to dust in midair, but there you are/

Fact is, (as much as I hate saying it) if you believe no explosives were used to accomplish this destruction, then it is clear that you are the one being fooled. The facts are what they are. You can choose to ignore them; many people do. Believe me, I understand this impetus for this.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_349174abd5befe8ed2.jpg[/qimg]

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...gzaerial4.html

I always love it when a twoofer self-debunks. The picture he posted can be found here, in HD.

Can you tell me ata, what does this picture show???

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/wtc/images/wtc-photo.jpg

It is certainly not a dustified tower!! That is for DAMN certain!!

Oh, and the dust?? Think about the two most common building materials in the WTC other than steel.

Drywall and ceiling tiles.
 
Quick atavism, switch to therm*te mode!

And right on cue...

I dont think anyone in their right mind can argue the destruction of Towers 1&2 were not highly explosive events. So that is our starting point and something we can be absolutely certain of. Whatever thermite does!
Besides, no one is saying it was regular thermite/

pls read below. tx


How Could Thermite, an Incendiary, Demolish the Towers, When Buildings Are Normally Demolished Using High-Explosive Cutter Charges?

:p
 
Im sure they can.

But that highly redundant 110 steel reinforced office towers hit 15 storeys from the roof (N Tower) cannot pulverize themselves in 16 seconds,

At least you have the times closer to reality than most of the TM. Too bad you then use the freefall bullocks later in the post.

Now, how many times do I need to post this photo. Tell me, what do you see here that is "pulverized" thata shouldn't be. We all know drywall and ceiling tiles do not hold up well to huge beams and concrete floors falling on them.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/wtc/images/wtc-photo.jpg

Also, it wasn't steel reinforced, as that implies that it was a concrete structure. It was BUILT with steel, not REINFORCED with steel.



evaporating almost 40% of it's occupants and strewing it's pulverized and steel remains in a 800 foot radial pattern is, I believe,, the issue at hand.
(the towers 'burned' for roughly 60 and 100 minutes) and then exploded...
boom boom boom boom boom.. all the way down (basements intact!)

We have been through this before. How many times do we have to point this out to you??
Why do you put the word "burned" in quotes?? Do you not believe it waas a freaking fire?? If so, would you care to explain why, considering you saaw it with your own eyes??

BTW, I personally picked up about 20 fingers not attached as they should have been, umteen complete limbs, again, not attached to what it SHOULD have been, and smelled the decaying bodies there in that pile. Did you step foot on that pile??

WTC 7's textbook implosion in 7 seconds (free fall speed = explosives)
(who cares if its slightly faster of slower) It the speed and symmetry that can only mean explosives.

Symmetry?? Explain Fitterman Hall. Here are some pictures for reference.

414px-Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg


Can you explain this please?? Thanks.


Griffin, making perfect sense, writes of WTC 7:

""When we combine the fact that the collapse of WTC 7 immediately appears to be a controlled demolition, (http://wtc7.net/videos.html) with the twofold fact that all prior collapses of steel-frame high-rise buildings have been produced by explosives, and that the collapse of WTC 7 has many features in common with planned implosions, the view that it was a planned implosion should be the natural assumption. The burden of proof should be placed on any claim that WTC7 was brought down by something other than explosives, because this is the wild, empirically baseless hypothesis devoid of any historical precedent, which is just the kind of hypothesis that one expects to hear from irrational conspiracy theorists.

And how many CD can you produce that also fall at free-fall speed?? Please, site the reputable source and a linky please. I'll wait.

Blah blah blah...science....BS...cd....blah blah blah.....

I am not even going to respond to the last part, as my BS meter is driving me crazy with that bell.......
 
I swear to God we'll be back at 4,000 jews didn't go to work and the planes had pods next. The twoof carousel never stops.

Round and round and round and round and round and round

Like a record baby. right round, right round.

You spin me.......


Hilarious. I cannot figure out who sang it though.......


ETA: BINGO!!

Someone embed this for me!! Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJv5qLsLYoo
 
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KFC,

It is a HUGE file, and has to be downloaded. I don't think I can link it here, as it is SO huge. It take my compter are 20-30 seconds to load it. Maybe that is why?? I am not sure, because as soon as you said "proxy" you lost me. Sorry, computer dumb.
 
KFC,

It is a HUGE file, and has to be downloaded. I don't think I can link it here, as it is SO huge. It take my compter are 20-30 seconds to load it. Maybe that is why?? I am not sure, because as soon as you said "proxy" you lost me. Sorry, computer dumb.

Yeah the file is freaking huge. But it is a good picture.

About the proxy, there are online databases and journals etc etc that require a person to be a member in order to see/download their content. Universities will have like a zillion subscriptions to a zillion different journals and such online so that when you use a computer on campus you can just access the site for free. My school allows you to still access all that stuff off campus, if you sign into a proxy with a username.

Anyways, I had to sign in in order to see the photo...I think I just made it a bigger deal than it really is tho, haha.
 
Is a proxy like a network?? I understand network.

yes, that file is a good one, as it is zoomable to incredible detail.
 

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