9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Trojan]

9/11 made his statement from memory. We are supposed to accept that as fact and that he is honestly reporting what he remembers ("maybe he pulled it..." indeed), while at the same time he pooh-poohs the memory and testimony of Nazi victems. Interesting intellectual acrobatics that.

9/11 investigator is a fraud, he is not an investigator under any definition of the world

 

[Toke]

9/11 investigator is a fraud, he is not an investigator under any definition of the world

I don't think the truth movement would agree with you.

 

[Trojan]

I don't think the truth movement would agree with you.

That is true, when it comes to twoofers, he is a scholar.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Would you accept Polish records? How about those from your own country? Was the Netherlands a Jewish state in the 1930's?

I would accepts Polish records of 1930 of the number of Polish citizens, yes. Netherlands likewise. Because the government simply had to count the number of records in their birth certificate registry. No such central registry existed for 'International Jewry' before (or after) 1948, the state of Israel obviously not included.

Why was your father deported in WWII? was he mistaken for a Jew? Is this the source of your misplaced hatred?

Many Dutch young men were deported. The Germans needed all the hands they could get: Jews, Dutch, French etc. Most German men and even children were fighting the Bolsheviks, that's why they deported people like my father. And no, my father does not resent the Germans. Nevertheless during my childhood he, more or less secretly was pro-Russia, I was fervently pro-America (Jimmy Hendrix, Woodstock, Apollo and stuff) and I often had an argument with my father. And I was even fervently pro-Israel/Jews.

After 2000, with the advent of the internet, when I was regularly working abroad (amongst others Germany), during the workweek at night in the Intercontinental, I started reading articles on the internet, about 9/11, the holocaust, the causes of WW1/WW2, multiculturalism, Kevin MacDonald and I started to revise my traditional liberal opinions.

Before 2000 I was the typical liberal yuppie making a lot of money. Today I shifted my political position considerably (and still making money): internally libertarian, externally anti-immigration, pro-European civilization, America controlled by the Jews, hell-bent on destroying European civilization through promoting mass-immigration. And I don't like that. Voted Pim Fortuyn, voted Geert Wilders. Hence my behavior here. Not trolling, nor feeding my ego, nor trying to glorify Nazi-Germany, but fighting you.

 

[9/11-investigator]

[qimg]http://www.radzilow.com/images/memorials/treblinka-HM24.jpg[/qimg]
Somehow either you or Krege failed to mention that.

True. Your point? What's that picture supposed to mean?

Ah wait, these stones were gassed?

 

[9/11-investigator]

I'm a Dutch Jew, and I still think you're a nazi.

You can think what you want.

Managed to blow up the balcony on Tuchinsky cinema gravely injuring a number of high ranking nazi officers.

'google aanslag Tuschinsky' does not lead to any results. I don't believe a word of it. Maybe he banged a paper bag causing the German spectators some ear pain.

And managed to save a (gentile) child from the Prinsengragt canal in 1945, got the reward of it on my wall.

A normal thing to do, but nevertheless thank you to your grandfather for saving a 'gentile' child.

So don't claim to be a true Dutchman, since you really aren't.

I am sorry, but it is not up to me to decide if I am a true Dutchman or not. I am.

You inherited this hatred from your parents from bed time stories or is this misguided hatred based on fairytales done all by yourself?

My parents have no unorthodox ideas about the holocaust, 9/11, whatever. As I said, I got them from the internet, not from my parents.

Bet you cringed with the documentation presented during Netanyahu's speech at the UN. Plenty more to disprove your drivel...

Poor bigjelmapro. He means this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602085&sid=amCJvajATI3o

David Irving: "Oh, the ones that even Yad Vashem admits are meaningless? But then the UN are always being shown fakes, aren't they, Colin Powell?"

Oh please God, if there is one, send my some higher caliber opponents then this poor lot.

Straw man or another pointless deflection? Where are all your stormfront buddies? They been kicked out?

I have no stormfront buddies. Being on this forum is much more fun.

P.S. Richard Krege in 2007.

 

[dafydd]

That is true, when it comes to twoofers, he is a scholar.

Yes,he does to appear to have at least half a brain.

 

[Moss]

True. Your point? What's that picture supposed to mean?

Ah wait, these stones were gassed?

Just wondering which area Krege supposedly analysed. That is a picture of the memorial over the burning pit.
And posting a link that shows that Krege went to Tehran to meet liars isn't advancing his case.
And what was that about the list of victims I posted. You somehow failed to come up with any evidence they weren't gassed.
And where was your evidence for the supposed torture of Hoess again?

 

[Trojan]

P.S. Richard Krege in 2007.

Here is your problem

Making a statement

All that exists are the words of some people," Mr Krege said. "There is no scientific proof to show that this place was an extermination camp."

This is not proof or even evidence, what you and Krege need to realize is that making blanket statements that contradict the known evidence is worthless.

You need proof

Like for instance

electrical engineer who works for federal agency Airservices Australia

1) Explain how an electrical engineer who works in the airservices industry has the training and expertise to perform a forensic examination of a site using Ground Penetrating Radar.

2) Explain why Krege has refused to publish his work or provide CD's to independent experts for verification

3) Why after 10 years there has been no report despite the fact one was promised

4) Why revisionists accept a 10 year old promise of evidence as evidence? Are you this desperate?

 

[Trojan]

Just wondering which area Krege supposedly analysed. That is a picture of the memorial over the burning pit.

We do not know what Krege studied because he has not made his findings public -- despite 10 years of empty promises

Basically, Krege did not know what he was doing and is hiding behind a promise of evidence. For a revisionsist denier scum bag, all you need is to question the truth or make a statement that contradicts history. In their world, they have no burden of proof -- rather they expect the historical and scientific community to meet their demands under their conditions

The world does not work this way -- that is why they are nothing but a body of idots for one to laugh at.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Just wondering which area Krege supposedly analysed. That is a picture of the memorial over the burning pit.
And posting a link that shows that Krege went to Tehran to meet liars isn't advancing his case.
And what was that about the list of victims I posted. You somehow failed to come up with any evidence they weren't gassed.

In western judicial systems it is the accuser who has the burden of proof. Good luck to you, surprise me.

And where was your evidence for the supposed torture of Hoess again?

Simple: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

"it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him... In all likelihood, Höss was tortured by the British soldiers of the 92nd Field Security Section, but a confirmation of that hypothesis was necessary. Confirmation has come with the publication in England of a book containing the name of the principal torturer (a British sergeant of Jewish origin) and a description of the circumstances of Höss' arrest, as well as his third-degree interrogation... The book that interests us is entitled Legions of Death. Its inspiration is anti-Nazi... Bernard Clarke shows no remorse. On the contrary, he exhibits a certain pride in having tortured a "Nazi." Rupert Butler, likewise, finds nothing to criticize in that. Neither of them understands the importance of their revelations. They say that Höss was arrested on 11 March, 1946, and that it took three days of torture to obtain "a coherent statement." They do not realize that the alleged "coherent statement" is nothing other than the lunatic confession, signed by their quivering victim on the l4th or l5th of March 1946, at 2:30 in the morning, which was to seal Höss' fate definitely, a confession which would also give definitive shape to the myth. The confession would also shape decisively the myth of Auschwitz, the supposed high-point of the extermination of the Jews, above all due to the alleged use of homicidal gas chambers... The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.""

9/11I: it's a pity Hoess did not die, for himself and for European Civilization.

"Bernard Clarke is "today a successful businessman working in the south of England" (Legions of Death, 1983, p. 235). One can in fact say that it is his voice that was heard at Nuremberg on 15 April 1946, when Assistant Prosecutor Amen read, piece by piece, to an astonished and overwhelmed audience, the supposed confession of Rudolf Höss. On that day was launched a lie of world-wide dimensions: the lie of Auschwitz."

 

[9/11-investigator]

In their world, they have no burden of proof -- rather they expect the historical and scientific community to meet their demands under their conditions.

Revealing statements. Trojan has no affinity with modern Western judicial principles. According to him one can beat a person to pulp (or water board him) until he says the 'right things'. And then it is up to the accused to prove that the aledged crimes did not happen.

 

[Trojan]

Revealing statements. Trojan has no affinity with modern Western judicial principles. According to him one can beat a person to pulp (or water board him) until he says the 'right things'. And then it is up to the accused to prove that the aledged crimes did not happen.

When the hell did I say that ?? Why do you lie? Do you think people do not see you for the liar you are?

Just as with modern Western judicial principles, you are in the position of the appelate lawyer.

History is written, it is you who seeks to revise it, it is your burden to provide proof that your version is correct and more probable that what is written.

Just as an appealte lawyer must show that his argument is correct, you must show that yours is correct. It is not incumbent on the appelate court to prove the appelant wrong, it is incumbent on the appelate to prove he is right.

So prove you are right.

 

[dudalb]

9/11 investigator is a fraud, he is not an investigator under any definition of the world

As an investigator, 9/11 makes this guy look like Sherlock Holmes:

 

[atavisms]

Here is a very clear video that illustrates what he did:

http://www.codoh.com/video/treblinka.mpg

It is not likely that 700k people were completely disposed of on grills with wooden fires burning beneath them at Treblinka. It is simply too many people in too small a place over too short a period of time.
Not to mention the lack of evidence.

That said, holocaust denial is pointless and offensive because there is no question there was widespread abuse and slaughter of jews and many others during the period.

You know about Lidice, the einsatzgruppen (killing squads in the east).

What difference does it make exact numbers? You cannot dismiss the one bc of the other.

Read "Hitler's Willing Executioners" if you can get through it.
I couldn't.

 

[atavisms]

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yeah right!! You are not any kind of serious 9/11 researcher or investigator posting holocaust denial crap like this.. what nonsense.
Purveyor of disinformation is more like it.

 

[Moss]

In western judicial systems it is the accuser who has the burden of proof. Good luck to you, surprise me.



Simple: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

"it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him... In all likelihood, Höss was tortured by the British soldiers of the 92nd Field Security Section, but a confirmation of that hypothesis was necessary. Confirmation has come with the publication in England of a book containing the name of the principal torturer (a British sergeant of Jewish origin) and a description of the circumstances of Höss' arrest, as well as his third-degree interrogation... The book that interests us is entitled Legions of Death. Its inspiration is anti-Nazi... Bernard Clarke shows no remorse. On the contrary, he exhibits a certain pride in having tortured a "Nazi." Rupert Butler, likewise, finds nothing to criticize in that. Neither of them understands the importance of their revelations. They say that Höss was arrested on 11 March, 1946, and that it took three days of torture to obtain "a coherent statement." They do not realize that the alleged "coherent statement" is nothing other than the lunatic confession, signed by their quivering victim on the l4th or l5th of March 1946, at 2:30 in the morning, which was to seal Höss' fate definitely, a confession which would also give definitive shape to the myth. The confession would also shape decisively the myth of Auschwitz, the supposed high-point of the extermination of the Jews, above all due to the alleged use of homicidal gas chambers... The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.""

Nope, the deaths of the listed victims of the Holocaust is well established and you need to prove they didn't die the way decribed. Good luck with that my gullible friend. The burden of proof lies on you.
And why should we believe the testimony of Bernard Clarke and not the testimony of Yarel Wiernik or if you want a nazi Kurt Franz or Franz Stangl? You investigate in mysterious, one may even say lopsided, ways.
And the torture of Hoess doesn't seem to have been about the content of his statements at all. personal revenge seems to be the more plausible motive.
Doesn't make torture less inhumane but still: prove that the confession itself was forced upon him by torture.

 

[bigjelmapro]

You can think what you want.

Its an assessment. One that is supported by the sheer majority in this thread and other threads. Would almost make it a principle.

'google aanslag Tuschinsky' does not lead to any results. I don't believe a word of it. Maybe he banged a paper bag causing the German spectators some ear pain.

The 1st floor balcony was rigged with explosives, not the entire building. It was a attack on the Nazi officers attending the theater. Nobody was killed, only injured. Few of the officers had their legs blow off...

But then again, judging by your replies here and what you think envelops the concept of an 'investigation', I doubt you'd actually find this on a rudimentary google search. Additionally, I don't quite care whether you believe me or not, my grandfather was directly involved in this attack and that's all the proof I need. Not your support. I find this quite entertaining that you would think that I need your support on this.

My parents have no unorthodox ideas about the holocaust, 9/11, whatever. As I said, I got them from the internet, not from my parents.

Yep, great 'research' indeed. Perhaps a visit to Germany's vast archives would enlighten you on this subject matter in this thread. That is, if you're truly Dutch, you would know a bit more than a modicum of German. Have at it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602085&sid=amCJvajATI3o

David Irving: "Oh, the ones that even Yad Vashem admits are meaningless? But then the UN are always being shown fakes, aren't they, Colin Powell?"

Oh please God, if there is one, send my some higher caliber opponents then this poor lot.

Lol. Another straw man. And David Irving to boot. Classic.

I have no stormfront buddies. Being on this forum is much more fun.

Practice taqiyya much?

 

[WildCat]

yeah right!! You are not any kind of serious 9/11 researcher or investigator posting holocaust denial crap like this.. what nonsense.
Purveyor of disinformation is more like it.

The entire 9/11 truth movement was founded by holocaust deniers, and anti-semitism still runs rampant through it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

so, um, when ya gonna debunk ALL the census data and population statistics that show a loss of at least 5 million Jews during WW2?

you've had a few months now. I'd like to hope you have made some progress on your research.

Found this today on a Dutch site. Have no way to verify this. If true it illustrates the futility of trying to prove or debunk the holocaust on the bases of population statistics for an in essence globally dispersed people without central administrative authority.

Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 — 11,600,000

World Almanac, 1925, pg. 752 — 15,630,000, “In 1925 a census of Palestine gave a total of 115,151 Jews”

World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 — 15,630,000

National Council of Churches 1930 — 15,600 ,000

March 24, 1933, jewish newspaper Daily Express — 14,000,000 jews worldwide

World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 — 15,316,359, ["The estimate for Jews in the above table is for 1933, and is by the American Jewish Committee"

World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 -- world jewish population = 15,753,633

World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 -- world jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany

American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 -- 15,600,000

World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population -- 15,319,359

World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population -- 15,748,091

World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population -- 15,192,089 ("Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion")

World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000

World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population -- 15,713,638

Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 -- 15,300,000

Encyclopedia Britannica's 1955 Book of the Year -- 11,627,450, "Jewish figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not"

World Almanac, US News & World Report, 1983 population of jews -- 16,820,850

World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population -- 14,117,000

World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population --18,080,000

World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population -- 13,200,000

Considering these numbers some holocaust has taken place between 1989 and 2001.