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And everything behind it? What happened to all of the plane that was dispersed and disintegrated upon impact?


If by "impact" you mean "the specific instant the tip of the nose cone touched the wall" then the plane did not disperse and disintegrate "upon impact." It was still whole and intact.

If by "impact" you mean the entire event between the tip of the nose cone touching the wall and the pieces all coming to a stop, which took place over a significant (in physics terms) period of time, then it's misleading to say "upon impact." "During impact" is more accurate, because it was during that process over time that the disintegration and dispersion took place.

Much of the dispersion and disintegration was in fact caused by the very same physical mechanism -- collisions and momentum transfer between parts of the plane and the parts in front of them -- that also drove a portion of the mass including the front landing gear deep into the building interior and through several relatively weak partition walls and the exterior C Ring wall.

This is evidenced by the fact -- which conspiracy theorists are fond of pointing out -- that relatively little of the plane's mass dispersed outside the building. The momentum of the fuselage and everything in it was all pointed in the same direction, which pointed through the round exterior hole, so everything in the way that contributed to dispersing the debris was also imparted momentum in that direction.

Just because the plane did not pass intact all the way through the building and out the other side, does not mean that it disintegrated into confetti the moment its nose touched the wall instead. Over time, it penetrated and damaged the building, and in the very same process over time, by the very same well-understood physical mechanisms, it was disintegrated and dispersed.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
So you think that the landing gear was able to do what the engines couldn't?

I could be wrong, but I think the landing gear is much stronger than the engines, as the forces that they absorb on impact they would HAVE to be VERY strong.

I could be wrong though.
 
In your false analogy you are suggesting that the landing gear has the same mass as an engine. The two "arrowheads" are not the same.

No he is not.

he is suggesting what I said. Same thing.

It is very interesting seeing you dodge and weave about this.

yes the engines have a HUGE mass.

they also are filled with HUNDREDS of parts that are spinning at 30,000 RPM or more. When those pieces come apart what happens? Oh the pieces rip apart and go everywhere, because they are pulled apart by angular momentum. (and we can't forget the walls shredding everything else)

Being on the wings with NOTHING behind them, they stop rather quickly. The landing gear at the nose of the plane though, has all of that mass behind it pushing it through.

you might want to take some remedial physics courses.
 
Red,

Why not grow a spine and tell us what YOU think happened at the Pentagon?

Something tells me that Red won't be answering this. Unfortunately, predicting that a dishonest coward will remain so doesn't qualify one for the MDC.
 
And everything behind it? What happened to all of the plane that was dispersed and disintegrated upon impact?

What is your point?

Nothing in your pointless rambling thread does anything to dismiss the massive amount of eyewitness reports and physical evidence and technical data we have for Flight 77, flown by Arabs and with all passengers aboard hitting the Pentagon.
 
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How...on earth...did my little thread go from 3 pages to 29 pages OVERNIGHT?

I appreciate all of your hard work guarding the historicity of that day.
 
What is your point?

Nothing in your pointless rambling thread does anything to dismiss the massive amount of eyewitness reports and physical evidence and technical data we have for Flight 77, flown by Arabs and with all passengers aboard hitting the Pentagon.

I didn't start this thread. I just made some observations about the NatGeo special. For instance, I noticed that when they discussed the "massive" physical evidence, they kept replaying the same picture of a blue painted scrap on the lawn. If there was so much physical evidence, I would think they wouldn't have to replay the same picture over and over. Just an observation.
 
I didn't start this thread. I just made some observations about the NatGeo special. For instance, I noticed that when they discussed the "massive" physical evidence, they kept replaying the same picture of a blue painted scrap on the lawn. If there was so much physical evidence, I would think they wouldn't have to replay the same picture over and over. Just an observation.

Did it occur to you to see if you could find some other pictures of bits of flight 77 at the Pentagon, or did that seem too much like hard work?

Dave
 
Did it occur to you to see if you could find some other pictures of bits of flight 77 at the Pentagon, or did that seem too much like hard work?

Dave

Goodness. I said I made observations about the NatGeo special. Do you think they could have made a stronger presentation?
 
I didn't start this thread. I just made some observations about the NatGeo special. For instance, I noticed that when they discussed the "massive" physical evidence, they kept replaying the same picture of a blue painted scrap on the lawn. If there was so much physical evidence, I would think they wouldn't have to replay the same picture over and over. Just an observation.

Wow.

I mean, really. wow.
I would think that with 5 minutes of investagoogling you could find gravy's wtc7lies page with the dozens of photographs of debris...

absolutely amazing...
 
Goodness. I said I made observations about the NatGeo special. Do you think they could have made a stronger presentation?

so then you were just "exposing" nat geo as a "fabrication?"

Just checking.

And on topic, is there anything they could have presented that would have changed your mind? Of course there isn't. All of the tests were valid and showd that twoofs are full of crap.
 
Goodness. I said I made observations about the NatGeo special. Do you think they could have made a stronger presentation?
A very strong presentation was made in the C-Ring thread, and you ran away from it like a schoolgirl from a spider. I bumped it just for you Red, but you're pretending you don't see it.

Here ya go: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5135603#post5135603

I'll bump it back to the top of the page also, just to eliminate all doubt that maybe you really don't see it and aren't really a cowardly ideologue running away from all evidence that challenges your cherished beliefs.
 
Wow.

I mean, really. wow.
I would think that with 5 minutes of investagoogling you could find gravy's wtc7lies page with the dozens of photographs of debris...

absolutely amazing...

I've thoroughly reviewed Gravy's links and have never found his subjective, non-scientific analyses particularly persuasive.
 
Yeah! Red Ibis has a point, what about all the DNA evidence that they found...

Oh wait, the DNA evidence....

They certainly found that, didn't they, Red?

Bump.

Red asks: "Do you think they could have made a stronger presentation?"

Damn straight, Red Ibis, the NatGeo special could have been much stronger. they could have relied on the DNA and other forensic evidence at the pentagon, right Red?

I mean that is god damn devastating to the Truthers, right Red?

And given the fact that you have not contradicted any of the posts on the DNA evidence, we are all in agreement.

WELCOME to sanity Red, good on ya, mate!
 
I've thoroughly reviewed Gravy's links and have never found his subjective, non-scientific analyses particularly persuasive.

Your standard of scientific analysis contrasts so significantly from academic practices so it's hard to tell what would.
 
So would you like to point out a few other areas where the evidence against 9/11 being an inside job is significantly stronger than that which was presented?

Dave

This thread is about the NatGeo special and its strengths and weaknesses. You wouldn't be trying to get me a yellow card, now would you?
 
This thread is about the NatGeo special and its strengths and weaknesses. You wouldn't be trying to get me a yellow card, now would you?

I asked you a question specifically about the NatGeo special and its strengths and weaknesses. I can't see why you'd get a yellow card for answering it.

Dave
 

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