Merged Migraine Test, VFF, and LightinDarkness

[Farencue]

I told Anita I would provide documentation that I have migraines and then, after giving it a few months (after she practices her woo on me), I would provide documentation that I still have migraines and thus demonstrate her woo did not "heal" me. Upon my providing proof that her woo had failed, Anita would agree to drop her woo in its entirety and go back to being a normal student.

Of course, she declined, because she knows her woo would fail because its not real.

with respect LiD, perhaps Anita simply is not a normal student?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

More lies from VFF. You have provided NO PROOF that you have synesthesia, and you ADMITTED that when you took a online test for it that you FAILED it. You don't have synesthesia, you never have. You have used this as an excuse to try to bring legitimacy to your delusions.

I have plenty of reason to suspect that I have some forms of synesthesia. The online tests did not test for the forms of synesthesia that I think I have so that online test is inconclusive as to whether I have the synesthesia I claim.

"Medical perceptions" is not synesthesia. It never has been. You have yet to provide any evidence that you have even once had "accurate" perceptions, and have failed again and again at your own tests.

The medical perceptions start as colors and shapes. I have searched scientific literature and not come across a case of synesthesia toward tissues and health information.

This is all perfectly normal for delusions. If you could tell the difference between reality and the delusions, they would not be delusions.

When the medical perceptions are accurate it leads me to wonder whether they are subjective or reality-based. For instance I could be unintentionally picking up subtle external clues that translate into corresponding images and felt information about health. That is still my main hypothesis for why I need to see the person in order to form medical perceptions.

Its just too bad that you always dodge every offer to have you legitimately examine your claims, isn't it? You don't want to test them because you know you would fail.

You're the one who declined having the simple migraine test with me. The official kidney detection test should take place by the end of this year. Do not turn your impatience into false assumptions, and I have every incentive to falsify the claims if that is where they are headed.

As a real researcher and academic, don't you dare describe your little games as "research." It is an insult to those of us who do real research. You have yet to launch any legitimate research inquiry into your claims,and you never will.

The test for medical perceptions will take place by the end of this year. And the migraine test would have taken place by now had you not declined your previous offer. Have some patience.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I told Anita I would provide documentation that I have migraines and then, after giving it a few months (after she practices her woo on me), I would provide documentation that I still have migraines and thus demonstrate her woo did not "heal" me. Upon my providing proof that her woo had failed, Anita would agree to drop her woo in its entirety and go back to being a normal student.

Of course, she declined, because she knows her woo would fail because its not real.

Some researcher you are. If you volunteer to take part in a test whose hypothesis is "receiving attempted migraine treatment will coincide with noticeable improvement in migraine condition" and null hypothesis "receiving attempted migraine treatment will not coincide with noticeable improvement in migraine condition", in which proving the hypothesis does not prove the claim on which it is based but proving the null hypothesis qualifies to falsify the claim. (If this sounds crazy, don't worry, this is how science is written.) Since YOU are the observer and solely in charge of establishing any effect that coincides with the att. treatment you are obliged to remain objective and open to any changes. You are here stating that you are already biased and expecting a certain result, and that might affect your judgement. These kinds of comments might disqualify you from my research, and might disqualify you as a researcher. Re-read what you just wrote and see if you are humble enough to agree.

And since you claim to be a researcher, you do know that if a scientist has two research hypotheses, that are related but not identical, one does not necessarily falsify the other. For instance in the chemistry lab you might be testing two different but similar compounds. Very often in chemistry, changing a molecule only slightly can change its effects dramatically. But above all, the medical perceptions claim is headed toward its own test that will falsify it properly and I still don't see why you are trying to discourage me from falsifying that claim with the IIG test. I am willing to falsify the migraine claim if it fails to coincide with improvement, but I would not allow that to falsify the medical perceptions claim with it.

The reason I declined is not because I would know that it would fail. The reason I am interested in having a migraine test is exactly because I would hope to falsify the claim.

I don't see why some of you are so stubborn and insisting on things that are not true, then when you judge my character, mental health, and scientific credibility based on your own incorrect assumptions about me and I object you all call me a liar and delusional because I am not what you imagine me to be.

You don't come across as a good researcher, LightinDarkness.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Thank you for the information. It is odd that your "bet" was enough to make her back off. She's been playing the naif when it comes to results. Anecdotal evidence is proof, right. So why refuse to test you when anything could be twisted to a positive result afterward? The migraine page on her site used to have some malarkey about the skeptic probably lying about getting better and her not caring about that because she just wants to help people, so obviously she had already thought about what she would say.

But suddenly she is worried that she would have to keep her word on something? After all of the manipulation, lies, stalling and evading. Wouldn't it just be one more question to dodge with more martyrdom?

That girl aint right.

How rude. I am very willing to try the migraine treatment with LightinDarkness and to falsify the migraine claim if there is no improvement in the migraine condition. I just won't falsify the medical perceptions claim along with it, because they are not the same claim and because I am having an IIG test on the medical perceptions SOON.

 

[volatile]

I will have the test and I will not see a mental health professional because if the perceptions are inaccurate after all then all they are is synesthesia

No. No. A thousand times no. These are not the only two options. And you call yourself a "scientist"?

 

[StevenCalder]

Guys shes just reiterating stuff we've already explained to her : why we think shes most likely a l **************, why the way shes approaching her claims is not scientific, she doesn't have synesthesia etc

Its stuff that has been explained or rebutted, but shes just ignored that.

We don't risk repeating ourselves here as we've already repeated ourselves over and over. If she chooses to ignore that theres little we can do.

I'd say best to let the thread die until after the IIG test or new claims/points are raised. There is no progress to be made here, just feeding of a potential attention addict.

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[GeeMack]

Okay, Anita, just so we know we're all on the same plane here, in order to help us understand what has and has not been considered as possible causes for your claims of these alleged perceptions, here are a couple of simple, clearly stated questions...

(1) Regarding your alleged effort to try to determine the truth about your alleged perceptions, please answer with a simple yes or no, have you undergone a professional assessment of your mental health in relation to these claims?

(2) Regarding your alleged suspicion that your alleged perceptions might be the result of synesthesia, please answer with a simple yes or no, have you undergone a professional analysis to determine whether what you claim is in fact a synesthetic experience?​

And if you can just answer yes or no and avoid your typical lying, evading, ignorance, and double talk, it would be great. Some of us, well everyone except you actually, is making an effort to be at least somewhat scientific about this, and if we know where you stand regarding possible simple, easily determined, mundane, everyday explanations for your alleged perceptions, we can know better how to proceed when dealing with you.

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

Again, simple, straight up, yes or no replies to the two questions above would be most helpful.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Guys shes just reiterating stuff we've already explained to her : why we think shes most likely a ***************, why the way shes approaching her claims is not scientific, she doesn't have synesthesia etc

Its stuff that has been explained or rebutted, but shes just ignored that.

We don't risk repeating ourselves here as we've already repeated ourselves over and over. If she chooses to ignore that theres little we can do.

I'd say best to let the thread die until after the IIG test or new claims/points are raised. There is no progress to be made here, just feeding of a potential attention addict.

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Moderated content removed.

I am not a liar and I am not delusional. I did detect the missing kidney, and the many other things that I should not have been able to know about. And the man I attempted to treat claims that his migraines got better and that the effect has been lasting still three or four months after. And I think it is the most scientific thing to do to submit these claims to tests, and that is exactly what I am doing.

What exactly am I ignoring? Do you expect me to agree that I was lying when I wasn't lying? Or that I'd be delusional when I am not? I am not here for attention. It's just that I'm having a paranormal investigation. And I don't like reading personal attacks about me here without being allowed to defend myself. If you attack me, I defend myself.

 

[StevenCalder]

I am not a liar and I am not delusional. I did detect the missing kidney, and the many other things that I should not have been able to know about. And the man I attempted to treat claims that his migraines got better and that the effect has been lasting still three or four months after. And I think it is the most scientific thing to do to submit these claims to tests, and that is exactly what I am doing.

What exactly am I ignoring? Do you expect me to agree that I was lying when I wasn't lying? Or that I'd be delusional when I am not? I am not here for attention. It's just that I'm having a paranormal investigation. And I don't like reading personal attacks about me here without being allowed to defend myself. If you attack me, I defend myself.

If you didn't ignore any of the points you will fully understand why people think your a liar or delusional. You will understand why you saying "I really did detect the kidney, honest!" means nothing, especially given your history. You will understand why you saying "I really did heal the migraine, honest!" means nothing, especially given your history.

You have given nothing to sugge- Damn it. I got drawn in. I've said these exact same things before...

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Okay, Anita, just so we know we're all on the same plane here, in order to help us understand what has and has not been considered as possible causes for your claims of these alleged perceptions, here are a couple of simple, clearly stated questions...

(1) Regarding your alleged effort to try to determine the truth about your alleged perceptions, please answer with a simple yes or no, have you undergone a professional assessment of your mental health in relation to these claims?

Almost. I guess I can share some more personal information here. After I was hit and mistreated by a professor (which I mentioned long time ago because y'all were wondering why I didn't have the 4.0) I became depressed and met with a psychiatrist. During what was a mental health assessment she did ask if I had any unusual experiences and I did mention the medical perceptions, but she did not say anything about that and my only diagnose was "depression" so obviously she didn't think it was a problem. The way I described the perceptions to her was very thoroughly, I said that ever since I worked at a nursing home I realized that I was very intuitive toward other people's health and accurate in cases where I shouldn't have been able to know what I knew, and that I am investigating the perceptions to determine whether there is accuracy or not and whether any of them detect information that I shouldn't be able to know.

The perceptions themselves are no reason for concern. I hope we can all agree at least up to that point. I assume the concern is that I am investigating the perceptions for possible real-world correlation, is that right? In that case I will not take your advice to see a mental health professional because I KNOW the perceptions were accurate and I did not hallucinate any of it.

(2) Regarding your alleged suspicion that your alleged perceptions might be the result of synesthesia, please answer with a simple yes or no, have you undergone a professional analysis to determine whether what you claim is in fact a synesthetic experience?

No I have not.

And if you can just answer yes or no and avoid your typical lying, evading, ignorance, and double talk, it would be great. Some of us, well everyone except you actually, is making an effort to be at least somewhat scientific about this, and if we know where you stand regarding possible simple, easily determined, mundane, everyday explanations for your alleged perceptions, we can know better how to proceed when dealing with you.

I have never lied or evaded questions. It is just that I am not answering questions in the way that you would want me to and that's because none of this is the way it should be. I have detected that a kidney was missing when I shouldn't have been able to.

So far we've determined that you might have a mental health problem, you might be a compulsive liar, delusional, a totally bogus fraud, a simple Internet attention whore or troll, and of course several other possibilities exist. It would be helpful to know which of those possibilities may have been legitimately explored and perhaps eliminated, and which are still on the table.

But I disagree with that. The perceptions themselves are no reason for concern. And I really have experienced accuracy in the perceptions. But I am none of those things! I have told the truth!

 

[desertgal]

Actually, I have not lied about ANYTHING that I have ever said on this Forum or elsewhere about my claims!

Yes, you have. I've even proven that you have.
From the blog at www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com:

The reason I called in the past was to ask you to stop the racist thread where I am portrayed as some racist against black people when all I had said was that I find the perceptions of their tissues much more healthy and beautiful than perceptions from white people...

But, that wasn't ALL you said, was it?

"I confirm that black people are harder [to read with her "ability"]. They have fewer health problems and their tissues & internal chemicals chemistry etc.is different. I perceive that the bodies of black people would react very differently to having an open flesh-wound than would white people. That they have a much stronger system that produces the sticky yellow liquid that washes, seals, dries, and protects a wound. I perceive that black people have much fewer different types of chemicals in the body than do white people. Enzymes, perhaps. The variety of chemicals in white people's blood and tissues is much more diverse. According to my perception. I hate to say it but I perceive that black people in general would have a shorter lifespan. I hate to say it but I perceive a much larger variety of health problems and also of genetic problems and structural abnormalities in white people than I do in black people. Thus black people being healthier with this regard. I perceive that black people would be more prone to ankle arthritis or ankle problems, whereas white people would be more prone to wrist arthritis or wrist problems.

Stop lying desertgal! You know fully well that I am a double-major science student headed toward a career in conventional medicine! I am headed toward a very rewarding career and would have no incentive to try to make money off woo. I have already said I haven't chosen woo, I experience woo and I try to investigate and explain that woo and I am ready to falsify that woo and find explanations to it.

Stop lying, VisionFromFeeling! You said your ability is synesthesia. Now we're back to woo again?

No they are not. The perceptions themselves are exactly what synesthesia is, and that by definition is not a mental illness.

Which can only be proven when you have gone to a doctor and confirmed that you have synesthesia. Until then, it's just your imagination.

And the fact that I claim to have experienced real-world correlation has been confirmed by others and independent of me as the observer, although not yet in forms that could have provided formal evidence.

No proof, no truth.

And if I attempt migraine treatment and it coincides with incredible improvement then I have incentive to test the migraine claim.

Pure fantasy.

I already KNOW I don't have formal evidence. All I am saying is that you should be objective and realize that I personally believe that I have reason to test both of these claims.

How many times do we have to say it to you? We realize that you claim to personally believe your claims. But, we don't believe them. See above-I've already proven that you lie to suit whatever your current story is. That makes you a ****. No one here has any reason to believe that you are telling the truth about anything you claim.

Please stop calling me a whore, desertgal. The tests are going to be held soon.

We'll see. The test has been just around the corner for over two years now. We'll believe it when it actually happens.

When in fact none of what I have said has been a lie. Only unbelievable, which is why there is a paranormal claim in the first place.

Changing your story again...I thought it was synesthesia?

WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!!
The VisionFromFeeling Attention Whore Advisory System is now on RED ALERT. Please keep your arms and legs inside reality at all times. If you are hit with a flying lie, call 1-800-THE-RHINE-they have experience in these matters. Please do not look directly at the woo, as migraines may occur. If you experience kidney loss, don't be concerned-it's only imaginary....

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[Locknar]

Thread set to Moderated status due to lack of civility, ignoring previous Moderator warnings, bickering/name calling, off-topic posts, etc.

Insults and mental health comments/diagnoses are not civil nor do they address the OP...which in this case is VisionFromFeeling's claims related to the "Migraine Test" and LightinDarkness.

Discussion of other claims made by VisionFromFeeling's (such as the "Kidney Test", "synesthesia", etc.) should be done in the appropriate threads.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[LightinDarkness]

Oh, look! Yet another VFF thread where VFF complains to the moderators because the truth hurts to much.

I have plenty of reason to suspect that I have some forms of synesthesia. The online tests did not test for the forms of synesthesia that I think I have so that online test is inconclusive as to whether I have the synesthesia I claim.
....
The medical perceptions start as colors and shapes. I have searched scientific literature and not come across a case of synesthesia toward tissues and health information.

This is further proof that you are simply embracing delusions. You admit there is absolutely no example in the literature of "medical perceptions" as shapes and colors. You admit you failed the online test you took for synesthesia.

A reasonable person would conclude, therefore, that you do not have synesthesia. But oh no..not you. You have to believe you are "special" and have some undocumented case of this that there is NO support for and that current tests for the condition fail to find.

When the medical perceptions are accurate it leads me to wonder whether they are subjective or reality-based. For instance I could be unintentionally picking up subtle external clues that translate into corresponding images and felt information about health. That is still my main hypothesis for why I need to see the person in order to form medical perceptions.

Of course the problem is that there is no proof that your "medical perceptions" have EVER been accurate. That is because they are delusions.

You're the one who declined having the simple migraine test with me. The official kidney detection test should take place by the end of this year. Do not turn your impatience into false assumptions, and I have every incentive to falsify the claims if that is where they are headed.

Anita lies again. You are the one who wanted to practice your woo on me but ran from it once I told you my conditions. You refused to take the test. Then you violated my explicit requests for privacy on private messages and continue to do so. You abuse your volunteers like you own them, and show no class whatsoever.

The test for medical perceptions will take place by the end of this year. And the migraine test would have taken place by now had you not declined your previous offer. Have some patience.

No it won't. Just like all of your other tests never take place. Perhaps if you would not have declined to take your own migraine test it would have taken place by now?

 

[LightinDarkness]

Some researcher you are. If you volunteer to take part in a test whose hypothesis is "receiving attempted migraine treatment will coincide with noticeable improvement in migraine condition" and null hypothesis "receiving attempted migraine treatment will not coincide with noticeable improvement in migraine condition", in which proving the hypothesis does not prove the claim on which it is based but proving the null hypothesis qualifies to falsify the claim. (If this sounds crazy, don't worry, this is how science is written.) Since YOU are the observer and solely in charge of establishing any effect that coincides with the att. treatment you are obliged to remain objective and open to any changes. You are here stating that you are already biased and expecting a certain result, and that might affect your judgement. These kinds of comments might disqualify you from my research, and might disqualify you as a researcher. Re-read what you just wrote and see if you are humble enough to agree.

Anita continues to show that she has no idea what research actually means, just like she does not know what skeptic actually means. Time for you to be educated, again:

A migraine test is a horrible test for your proclaimed supernatural powers. The literature shows that those who suffer from migraines often do not have them in any pattern what so ever, and they can have them for days on end and then have the condition disappear for month. You cannot reliably test the effect of your woo on migraines, therefore, because you have no way to reliably measure the effect of the independent variable you have introduced (your woo) to the dependent variable that we are observing (presence of migraines).

Further, although I recognize you are simply practicing delusions I cannot materially impact the independent variable. Although it is better to have a blind test, you are the one who originally harassed me to practice your woo. Get the facts straight.

And since you claim to be a researcher, you do know that if a scientist has two research hypotheses, that are related but not identical, one does not necessarily falsify the other. For instance in the chemistry lab you might be testing two different but similar compounds. Very often in chemistry, changing a molecule only slightly can change its effects dramatically. But above all, the medical perceptions claim is headed toward its own test that will falsify it properly and I still don't see why you are trying to discourage me from falsifying that claim with the IIG test. I am willing to falsify the migraine claim if it fails to coincide with improvement, but I would not allow that to falsify the medical perceptions claim with it.

Anita continues to demonstrate she does not know what research is and has never been a researcher. Your woo claims all relate to a source hypothesis, and real researchers when they find such hypothesis are able to test for one and disprove related chain hypothesis. Of course you don't know this because you are incapable of research.

The reason I declined is not because I would know that it would fail. The reason I am interested in having a migraine test is exactly because I would hope to falsify the claim.

The reason you declined is because you know it would fail, which is why you will never agree to a real test or any test that requires you to drop the woo.

I don't see why some of you are so stubborn and insisting on things that are not true, then when you judge my character, mental health, and scientific credibility based on your own incorrect assumptions about me and I object you all call me a liar and delusional because I am not what you imagine me to be.

No amount of you telling lies is going to change the facts, Anita. Stop pulling the martyr card - YOU have shown yourself for who you REALLY are. And it is a ugly picture. Perhaps you should stop showing your true character if you do not wish to be judged by your despicable actions?

You don't come across as a good researcher, LightinDarkness.

I would be positively horrified if someone who has absolutely no grasp of the scientific method or research thought I was a good researcher. It would insult me. Thankfully, your opinion shows what I am indeed quite good at research. Your opinion will matter when we see your list of publications and your graduate degree programs.

 

[bookitty]

<Snipping out bad science>

I am willing to falsify the migraine claim if it fails to coincide with improvement, but I would not allow that to falsify the medical perceptions claim with it.

The reason I declined is not because I would know that it would fail. The reason I am interested in having a migraine test is exactly because I would hope to falsify the claim.

I don't see why some of you are so stubborn and insisting on things that are not true, then when you judge my character, mental health, and scientific credibility based on your own incorrect assumptions about me and I object you all call me a liar and delusional because I am not what you imagine me to be.

You don't come across as a good researcher, LightinDarkness.

VFF on your website you claim that you used this treatment to (att.) "cure" migraines.
In those images I found a black vibrational substance sitting inside the brain just above the optical nerves...

In the second part of the treatment, working entirely in the images I had in my mind and using a visualization technique, I chopped the black substance into pieces and removed them.

So you are claiming that you manipulated something in this man's mind. Would you be willing to come up with a test that did not use humans? For example, you could use this same technique to cause blindness in a lab rat.

If that test does not suit you I would be interest to hear what your alternative might be. I only ask that the test:

A) Not be performed on a human.
b) Have results that can be proven outside your perception.

Perhaps using actual science to come up with a result that is not purely subjective will allow you to understand the resistance to the "I really, really, really did!" method.

 

[Jeff Corey]

Scientists have some pretty strict rules against harming nonhuman animals or using them for frivolous purposes..
I doubt than any reputable institution's Animal Care Committee would have anything to do with this nonsense.

 

[fromdownunder]

Anita will you please give us the time and date of the IIG kidney teat as you have claimed on this thread that you have given IIG the protocol and the time and date of the test?

Yu have ignored this queston several times so far, so I can only assume that you lied in your response, which put paid to your statement that you have never lied on this Board or anywhere else.

Give us the time and date, and you will be shown not to be a liar. If you cannot/do not do this, one of the things you said on this thread is a lie, making you a liar.

Norm

 

[pakeha]

Sorry if I've been unclear.
Since when is honouring a potential volunteer's privacy, at his/her strenuous insistence, censorship?
Does VFF really imagine posting this sort of conflict on her website could inspire anything but the suspicion the author(ess) has serious emotional issues to resolve before claiming abilities to 'see' and att. treat?
...

I am at a loss to understand VFF's insistence on ignoring the legitimacy of LinD's complaint, re-iterated on this thread by LinD in person.
And I repeat myself: how does VFF expect to find volunteers if VFF actually posts up and confirms her lack of respect for a volunteer's request for privacy.

I also find find VFF's denial of 'remote viewing' abilities very confusing, especially after reading the messages she sent UJ just the other day.

I also find especially disturbing VFF's own comments on racial differences as she perceives them.
Anyway, here's hoping the IIG prelimiary test actually happens.

 

[LightinDarkness]

I am at a loss to understand VFF's insistence on ignoring the legitimacy of LinD's complaint, re-iterated on this thread by LinD in person.
And I repeat myself: how does VFF expect to find volunteers if VFF actually posts up and confirms her lack of respect for a volunteer's request for privacy.

I have often pondered this since this thread started. Its even been pointed out to her - by MULTIPLE people - that acting like this towards even potential volunteers is only going to ensure no sane person goes near her. No amount of good intentions and wanting to help Anita break free of her delusions is going to matter when she keeps harassing and insulting the very people she expects to help her prove her woo is real.

Although I doubt it, the IGG test may very well happen - but if it does, be ready for a volley of excuses. If Anita actually goes through with the test and (when it falsifies her ability) she comes to JREF and admits that the test shows she does not have paranormal powers, I'll donate $500 to Anita's charity of choice. When she fails to do so, I'll donate it to the humane society (the charity I give to currently).

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

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Anita lies again. You are the one who wanted to practice your woo on me but ran from it once I told you my conditions. You refused to take the test. Then you violated my explicit requests for privacy on private messages and continue to do so. You abuse your volunteers like you own them, and show no class whatsoever.

The ironic thing is that I have not lied about anything. Your conditions that if the migraine treatment fails to coincide with improvement in your migraine condition that I withdraw my medical perceptions claim and not proceed with the official IIG test to falsify it, is unreasonable. Just as UncaYimmy's request that I hand over to him the ownership of my website www.visionfromfeeling.com and/or give him $10,000. And you were the one who wanted our correspondence to be public. You then changed your mind, and so I have removed the information that perhaps you are embarrassed about since it shows how you are evasive as a Skeptic and do not want to take part in a test with me. I wholeheartedly agreed to falsify the migraine healing claim if the test with you would have failed to coincide with improvement in your migraines, but somehow that is not good enough. Would you like $10,000 too, or how about some naked pictures of me? (Things that UncaYimmy has asked of me.)

No it won't. Just like all of your other tests never take place. Perhaps if you would not have declined to take your own migraine test it would have taken place by now?

The kidney detection test will take place soon. YOU are the one who declined to take part in the migraine test. The only thing I declined to regarding that, is to have you discourage me from proceeding with the IIG test.