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[doobiedoright]

Very honest. I hope you don't think I am saying any of this due to a lack of respect. It must be "tuff". I am sure you are "their "boogey man"". I don't doubt your patriotism, at all. I don't doubt you do what you do for the right reasons. Honestly i do not.

I am happy they fear you. I really am, and they should. That helps me, my family and our country.

I am not talking about that.

You do however demonize people. I mean some liberals may be mentally ill and want to screw the country, but you talk as if they all are. Some civilians may be stupid about war, but not all are. You talk in absolutes about groups of people. That’s the definition of demonization.
What i am talking about is where that comes from, and you know, there is an obvious answer there.

You might want to try again cause you are once again wrong.....



. demonization - to represent as diabolically evil; "the demonization of our enemies"
demonisation
condemnation, disapprobation - an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing as wrong or morally culpable; "his uncompromising condemnation of racism"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/demonization

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

You might want to try again cause you are once again wrong.....



. demonization - to represent as diabolically evil; "the demonization of our enemies"
demonisation
condemnation, disapprobation - an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing as wrong or morally culpable; "his uncompromising condemnation of racism"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/demonization

Whats really ironic is this ( in generic terms)

We are both killers

"they" kill innocent villagers, people who dont agree with them, people who dont serve or enslave themselves to them, people who dont agree or support them politically, people who dont like their sons taken by force to fight in things they dont want to, people who dont like their daughters raped and killed because they are considered expendable

"I" just happen to kill people who do those things- I've got this strange thing about evening odds.

Even more than current events ( excluding political agendas) I remember the drug operations in South America

I remember when the drug lords were "gods" and they ruled with an iron hand. I remember when they "owned" the people and raped,plundered,enslaved them at will. I remember the hopelessness of the masses. I remember the tears and the screams and the agony.

I also remember those very few times it was possible for us to even the score.

It didnt happen near enough ( thats politics- not military) but when it did, it felt good.

One thing I have noticed in my career- bad guys feel really good when they have the money, guns, government and freedom from prosecution and almost complete autonomy to do as they please against peoples who are powerless to defend themselves against them. They enjoy it to almost a sexual level.

They dont seem to like it as much when ( too few incidents by my opinion) they have a fair fight and have to defend "their" cause.

I dont understand why they seem to like going out and picking innocent girls to be their slaves, they get upset when people kill them for doing it.

I guess they think its their right. I dont know

I do know this tho- they arent as rough and tough when its a FAIR fight and somebody shoots back.

 

[Garrette]

I find it hard to believe you know anything about the sordid JihadJane/funk de fino topic.

I don't, nor have I claimed I do, except for the bit that you told me about not paying attention to him anymore, to which I replied with words to the effect that it's your loss. Your subsequent posts bear me out.

I don't respond to patronizing idiocy.

I do when it amuses me. I am still responding to you after all. I'll stop when the amusement stops.

I don't know what "in fact" you are referring to.

Then you need to spend another minute trying to read; it was quite clear: the bulldozing events. The reason I hoped you weren't referring to them was because it would conclusively indicate to me that you come at this with as nearly biased a stance as is possible; I had hoped otherwise, despite the amusement I sometimes gain from engaging with those exhibiting patronizing idiocy.

It was clear from your ignorance about Desert Storm bulldozers

The fascinating part of this is that you write lucidly and clearly are not unintelligent. Why, then, you have such difficulty comprehending clear statements is beyond me.

that you might live somewhere with a limited coverage of events.

Know what my specialty was at the time? Military Intelligence. And for some years after that, too. I'm not in that anymore, but I assure you that my knowledge of the events exceeds yours.

neither do I read subsequent posts by offending posters ...permanently

And again, it's your obvious loss.

JihadJane]Because the number of serviceable planes available to Iraq at the time of the Shock and Awe circus was pitifully inadequate.

I refer you, again, to funk de fino. You may learn something. I also refer you to your internal inconsistency. Quality is measure by numbers or not?


You're a hoot, JJ.

 

[funk de fino]

II refer you, again, to funk de fino. You may learn something.

JihadJane has only learned one thing from me. Do not make claims in a thread or I will prove them wrong. Very embarrassingly. Leading to the pretence of ignoring me due to some other fantasy reason. The facts I bring in this thread will also be ignored. If somebody else brought the same facts, they would most likely go on the convenient ignore list.

A coward among the keyboard warriors.

 

[Nosi]

I guess its just harder to hear when you have your fingers in your ears and yelling La La La La when people try to reason with you.

I'm not trying to be stupid. I may be ignorant, that is true. There is a big difference between ignorant yet concerned and the thunderously stupid.

I am concerned about this war. Something doesn't pass the smell test regarding the higher up profiteering class, (they are mostly civilians too,) although I cannot put my finger on it.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

I'm not trying to be stupid. I may be ignorant, that is true. There is a big difference between ignorant yet concerned and the thunderously stupid.

I am concerned about this war. Something doesn't pass the smell test regarding the higher up profiteering class, (they are mostly civilians too,) although I cannot put my finger on it.

I'm not trying to be stupid. I may be ignorant, that is true. There is a big difference between ignorant yet concerned and the thunderously stupid.

I wasnt referring to you ( read her comment in post 120)

I am concerned about this war. Something doesn't pass the smell test regarding the higher up profiteering class, (they are mostly civilians too,) although I cannot put my finger on it

Maybe I can address some of those questions as I "am" a contractor under several primes and the govt as well as military over here ( former capacity)

 

[Nosi]

I wasnt referring to you ( read her comment in post 120)



Maybe I can address some of those questions as I "am" a contractor under several primes and the govt as well as military over here ( former capacity)

Reading your posts, I sense you are very much on the up and up even if you have had to do some things that were very dark indeed.

The 'wrongness' I feel is an itch I can't scratch, a feeling I have, that something is wrong. I can't explain it. There is something skunky in the dark.

Most of the shenanigans is going on within the confines of Capital Hill, not in Theater where presumably most of the Solders and the combat capable contractors are located. (Dirty birds are cowards, they will not be anywhere near an improvised explosive device!)

Note also the scandals such as the less than proper treatment of wounded that had to be exposed in order to be cleaned up. That required clean birds to kick dirty birds in the pin feathers.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Reading your posts, I sense you are very much on the up and up even if you have had to do some things that were very dark indeed.

The 'wrongness' I feel is an itch I can't scratch, a feeling I have, that something is wrong. I can't explain it. There is something skunky in the dark.

If the wrongness you feel is from contractors or profiteering- I think you might be barking up the wrong tree.

There are in fact a lot of "secret squirrel" reasons we are over here that Bush as well as Obama arent letting out. Your fear in that area is warranted and quite correct.

 

[Nosi]

If the wrongness you feel is from contractors or profiteering- I think you might be barking up the wrong tree.

There are in fact a lot of "secret squirrel" reasons we are over here that Bush as well as Obama arent letting out. Your fear in that area is warranted and quite correct.

Is Erik Prince of Blackwater in your opinion getting undeserved bad press? I have only seen promotional stuff on him on YouTube and of course the that some YouTubeers are known to put out...and I am taking that with half a cup of salt.

I do know that some of his contractors were killed on a bridge in Iraq for a fact. I also know that his Blackwater people were in New Orleans. I also know that Blackwater has a training base here in the United States.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Is Erik Prince of Blackwater in your opinion getting undeserved bad press? I have only seen promotional stuff on him on YouTube and of course the that some YouTubeers are known to put out...and I am taking that with half a cup of salt.

I do know that some of his contractors were killed on a bridge in Iraq for a fact. I also know that his Blackwater people were in New Orleans. I also know that Blackwater has a training base here in the United States.

Dont get me started on Prince or Blackwater. I've met him, know plenty of SEALs who served with him and most of us have been attempted to be recruited by Blackwater at one time or another.

I dont think his press is bad enough.

 

[Nosi]

Dont get me started on Prince or Blackwater. I've met him, know plenty of SEALs who served with him and most of us have been attempted to be recruited by Blackwater at one time or another.

I dont think his press is bad enough.

He's a stinker then. There's a large number of 'private' non-governmental contractors in the war theaters? How do they police behavior of all the armed contractors then? Contractors, I take it, aren't exactly solders, but they aren't exactly civilians like me either.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

He's a stinker then. There's a large number of 'private' non-governmental contractors in the war theaters? How do they police behavior of all the armed contractors then? Contractors, I take it, aren't exactly solders, but they aren't exactly civilians like me either.

There's a large number of 'private' non-governmental contractors in the war theaters?

Yes, when you add both theaters and include all nationals ( everything from general labor to technical)- you are probably close to 100,000. Not a small number.

How do they police behavior of all the armed contractors then?

VERY closely

Contractors, I take it, aren't exactly solders, but they aren't exactly civilians like me either

They arent soldiers at all ( conflict of interest and law in some cases)

The armed ones are considered "combatants" ( not soldiers as that identifies someone in the armed forces) and those who arent authorized weapons are non combatants ( which is the overwhelming majority)

 

[Nosi]

VERY closely



They arent soldiers at all ( conflict of interest and law in some cases)

The armed ones are considered "combatants" ( not soldiers as that identifies someone in the armed forces) and those who arent authorized weapons are non combatants ( which is the overwhelming majority)

That is one of the stinkies (other than 'secret squirrel' that bothers me.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

That is one of the stinkies (other than 'secret squirrel' that bothers me.

That part shouldnt- they ( by their contracts) provide physical and movement security, prisoner escort and stuff. They arent on the operations side of the house.

 

[Nosi]

That part shouldnt- they ( by their contracts) provide physical and movement security, prisoner escort and stuff. They arent on the operations side of the house.

How does that create conflict of interest and law in some cases?

Prince's goons have a habit of shooting at people from buildings, and we know they aren't military, or current military. That was what I was talking about. Then again, you have a low opinion of Blackwater.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

How does that create conflict of interest and law in some cases?

Prince's goons have a habit of shooting at people from buildings, and we know they aren't military, or current military. That was what I was talking about. Then again, you have a low opinion of Blackwater.

How does that create conflict of interest and law in some cases?

That part doesnt- it has to do with the lines between being a mercenary versus a soldier.

Firing in self defense makes one a combatant ( as soon as they touch the weapon) but doesnt make one a soldier or merc. When you engage in offensive or direct support operations- thats tricky territory.

Prince's goons have a habit of shooting at people from buildings, and we know they aren't military, or current military. That was what I was talking about.

BW went around recruiting people from all ranks of SEALS, Delta, SF, Rangers, Force Recon and other spec ops and line units promising all kinds of money and such. ( they pissed a lot of people off bragging about it too)

They got their wish but they also got the problem children too. They wound up with a highly skilled "force" with a rogue/cowboy mentality that caused more problems than they solved.


My opinion of them isnt high enough to be low

 

[Nosi]

That part doesnt- it has to do with the lines between being a mercenary versus a soldier.


My opinion of them isnt high enough to be low

It appears that I've got problems not so much with the war but with Mercs and 'secret squirrel' ops on the sly by politicians. Some day, those mercs are gonna bite him in the , or the reputable guys are gonna.

 

[JihadJane]

I don't, nor have I claimed I do, except for the bit that you told me about not paying attention to him anymore, to which I replied with words to the effect that it's your loss. Your subsequent posts bear me out.

I do when it amuses me. I am still responding to you after all. I'll stop when the amusement stops.



Then you need to spend another minute trying to read; it was quite clear: the bulldozing events. The reason I hoped you weren't referring to them was because it would conclusively indicate to me that you come at this with as nearly biased a stance as is possible; I had hoped otherwise, despite the amusement I sometimes gain from engaging with those exhibiting patronizing idiocy.


The fascinating part of this is that you write lucidly and clearly are not unintelligent. Why, then, you have such difficulty comprehending clear statements is beyond me.


Know what my specialty was at the time? Military Intelligence. And for some years after that, too. I'm not in that anymore, but I assure you that my knowledge of the events exceeds yours.


And again, it's your obvious loss.


I refer you, again, to funk de fino. You may learn something. I also refer you to your internal inconsistency. Quality is measure by numbers or not?


You're a hoot, JJ.

Please include some substance in your next post, should you make one.

I note that you haven’t denied that Iraqis were buried alive in the sand by US bulldozers.

 

[funk de fino]

Please include some substance in your next post, should you make one.

I note that you haven’t denied that Iraqis were buried alive in the sand by US bulldozers.

Those keyboard commandos just keep on firing semi colons!

 

[paximperium]

Those keyboard commandos just keep on firing semi colons!

JJ is just firing blanks and making lots of noise. It's annoying the neighbours. When Jane can't face facts, whine.