Why the Harrit Nano-thermite paper has not yet been debunked

If you're in the mood for being helpful, rather than antagonistic, does anyone want to tell me if there is any truth to this following quote?



It would also seem to be defying the laws of gravity, don't you think? Or am I wrong in believing that collapsing stuff falls downward?

Oh twoof.

why is it that none of you can provide proper citations, or do any real reading for comprehension?

It is amazing that after 8 years of this tripe, you can't learn how to provide a simple citation with a quote.
 
Oh twoof.

why is it that none of you can provide proper citations, or do any real reading for comprehension?

It is amazing that after 8 years of this tripe, you can't learn how to provide a simple citation with a quote.

Actually, not everyone has been at it 8 years. Some of us are fairly new to this topic, but you seem quite happy to treat every newcomer as if they are ranting nutjobs.

Jaded, much?
 
If you're in the mood for being helpful, rather than antagonistic, does anyone want to tell me if there is any truth to this following quote?



It would also seem to be defying the laws of gravity, don't you think? Or am I wrong in believing that collapsing stuff falls downward?

Oh, and has this been taken apart and ridiculed yet? http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/thermitics_made_simple.html


Pretty simple, just look at a picture of ground zero. Does it look like 90% of the debris fell "outside of the footprint"?
 
Will you even bother to address this, "The top end of energy content exceeds the theoretical maximum for thermite by a factor of two, and the observed content of nanothermite by a factor of five. The substance cannot be thermite of any type. Its "contaminants" are, in fact, the dominant species."

How can a substance be defined as thermite when it doesn't even meet one of the most important physical characteristics of thermite?

I'm still waiting for a response. Truthers? Hello?!
 
Oh, so it all fell in the footprint? A bit like a controlled demolition?

I never said "all of the debris fell into the footprint"...your putting words in my mouth.
Some of the debris did fall in the footprint, some was ejected outside of the footprint and damaged other buildings. Not at all like a controlled demolition.
 
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I'm still waiting for a response. Truthers? Hello?!

Are you expecting that to mean anything to the man on the street, whether they are above average intelligence, or not? Who do you think can provide an answer to that, other than a chemical physicist? And how many chemical physicists exactly, have you got as members on here?
 
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A delusion.
Very digestible.
Do you think he does a lot of meth? Just asking questions. Jones made up thermite and endorses this delusional nut case hypothetical blasting scenario. Two nuts meet, Jones and Hoffman.

Let me just put that into my Yoda to English converter.

Ah, I see!

Sorry beachnut, old chum, but he makes far more sense than your usual blabbering.
 
Let me just put that into my Yoda to English converter.

Ah, I see!

Sorry beachnut, old chum, but he makes far more sense than your usual blabbering.
Oh? Please pick any of Hoffman's ideas and present the evidence to prove it happened, or could happen that way. Go ahead make my day. I have read Hoffman's meth induced fantasy of stupid and find it so anti-intellectual that I did not have to use my master degree in engineering to figure out it was poppycock. A kid in grade school can see Hoffman is making it up.

If you want a point by point critique of the idiotic use of thermite by Hoffman pick your best shot and prove to the world it is true. Go ahead expose your ignorance on this narrow topic of woo and get your Pulitzer Prize for exposing 911. Oops, there is no category for big lies.

Do you need some help? On his break Charlie Sheen could help you out. Oops, no, he failed to take any further education to help with 911 issues and he is in the boat of ignorance on 911 with you and a very few fringe engineers, scientists and failed chemists. If this was a baseball issue, Charlie would be your man. But this is reality and you picked fantasy-land conspiracy theorists with nut case ideas; especially Hoffman's thermite scenario. Have a blast.

Chips in the ceiling tiles; very skeptical of you
 
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See, now you can do paragraphs and proper sentences, when it suits you.

The point isn't to prove it happened, because conveniently there is nothing left for investigators to investigate from the rubble, apart from the pieces NIST and whoever, kept hold of to confirm their argument. The point is to prove it could have happened, and then to start pressurising likely participants or the people who were designated to unearth this evidence.
 
See, now you can do paragraphs and proper sentences, when it suits you.

The point isn't to prove it happened, because conveniently there is nothing left for investigators to investigate from the rubble, apart from the pieces NIST and whoever, kept hold of to confirm their argument. The point is to prove it could have happened, and then to start pressurising likely participants or the people who were designated to unearth this evidence.
There is evidence which you failed to grasp to for a rational conclusion so you make excuse for this idiotic piece of fantasy based on lies, hearsay, and failed opinions. You defend this work by saying there is nothing left to investigate. Oops, sorry, they went through the WTC gathering evidence and never found a single piece of iron from a thermite reaction. Sorry, you delusional theories were proved wrong on 911 and during many investigation you failed to comprehend or it seems you never found any.

Hoffman -
10-lb nano-thermite kicker charge with 2-channel wireless detonator in fire-protective capsule disguised as fire extinguisher 100
Clearly you prefer fantasy to reality and can't figure out 911 yet. There is tons of evidence no thermite was used.

Scientist went through the steel and never found evidence of thermite, no massive beam weapon, no explosives, no cutting, no nuke, no pre-weakening, nothing. All these fantasy ideas leave evidence, it would be on the steel, and the thermite leaves iron behind. Your failure to use knowledge to defeat the insane nonsense of Harrit, Jones and Hoffman it the real conspiracy theory you need to solve.

Hoffman is nuts. Proof:
In all, each Tower gets 500,000 of the large tiles and 400,000 of the small tiles.
Great fantasy for the weak minded who refuse to think for themselves. Why do people fall for the lies of Jones and Hoffman?

You can't support any of Hoffman's ideas on 911 with facts or science. Explain how the ceiling tiles can effect the core of the WTC? Explain how much thermite was used in each ceiling tile. You can do this because Hoffman must of calculated how the thermite was going to bring down the WTC; he did right? Explain why aircraft impacts and fires of 911 could not cause the gravity collapse of the WTC so you can back in this failed delusion. You will not present evidence or facts to support Hoffman because you can't support the fantasy. Come on and support this failed conclusion which uses the failed paper you can't support with evidence.

You have paranoid conspiracy ideas on 911 which will not let you dump your delusions.
start pressurising likely participants
lol -
 
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Are you expecting that to mean anything to the man on the street, whether they are above average intelligence, or not? Who do you think can provide an answer to that, other than a chemical physicist? And how many chemical physicists exactly, have you got as members on here?

This is something that someone with an education based on the successful completion of 7th grade physical chemistry should be able figure out. Did you complete 7th grade science?
 
180º wrong. Any real scientist reading the paper will instantly construct the following line of logic:

The aim of the experiment is to determine whether thermite was present.
The thermite reaction contains its own oxygen source.
The thermite reaction will proceed in an oxygen-free atmosphere.
Combustion will not.
Therefore, in order to distinguish between a thermite reaction and combustion, calorimetry must be carried out in an oxygen-free atmosphere.
The calorimetry carried out in the paper was in an oxygen-containing atmosphere.
Therefore, the calorimetry cannot be taken as evidence of a thermite reaction.

For Harrit et al to claim that their results are evidence of a thermite reaction, they appear to be assuming that any real scientists reading their paper are, rather than are not, stupid. Sadly for them, we aren't.

Dave

No a real scientist will construct this line of logic:

The aim of the experiment is to determine whether thermite was present.
The thermite reaction contains its own oxygen source.
The material if it is thermitic will contain its own oxygen source.
Therefore in order to determine if the material is thermitic it must be analyzed to determine if it has its own oxygen source.
Since Harrit et al. clearly show a very large amount of O in the form of iron oxide intimately mixed with Al clearly the material is thermitic.
 
No a real scientist will construct this line of logic:

The aim of the experiment is to determine whether thermite was present.
The thermite reaction contains its own oxygen source.
The material if it is thermitic will contain its own oxygen source.
Therefore in order to determine if the material is thermitic it must be analyzed to determine if it has its own oxygen source.
Since Harrit et al. clearly show a very large amount of O in the form of iron oxide intimately mixed with Al clearly the material is thermitic.

The last point is just idiotic; you are correct: this is not a line of logic that a scientist will construct. Real scientists know that rust is everywhere, sometimes it's even near aluminum oxide.
 
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Mr Mackey, is there a bio about what you do and who you are, available on the web anywhere? I'd love to know a bit about your motivation on this board, and maybe what books you've wrote and the no doubt advanced qualifications you've achieved.

Straw man: A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. Wikipedia.org

Anyone accussing Ragnarok of claiming Macky is a "disinfo agent", based on this post, is guilty of the aforementioned fallacy.

I've got....

JimBenArm
Twinstead
CHF

and then Dave Rogers, I guess through sheer lack of comprehension, suggests to Macky that it's better to be accused of liking Michael Bolton, then to be accused of being a disinfo agent.

At least he never accused you of being a Bolton Wanderers fan.

Dave

Newsflash Dave, no one here ever accused him of that.

Which makes your "gang's" mocking humor absolutely idiotic to any passerby with a 6th grade reading comprehension.

Ragnarok, If you really want to get to the bottom of who Macky is, why not call his agent?

Nobody's contacted me, or my agent for that matter....
 
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Barry Jennings wasn't a crackpot supporter. Sorry.

Barry Jennings gave powerful testimony of several loud explosions in WTC7 before the towers collapsed and dead bodies in the WTC7 lobby. That testimony support the CD hypothesis. Get it now?
 
I am going to talk to some rocks after wading through this failed truther junk

No a real scientist will construct this line of logic:

The aim of the experiment is to determine whether thermite was present.
The thermite reaction contains its own oxygen source.
The material if it is thermitic will contain its own oxygen source.
Therefore in order to determine if the material is thermitic it must be analyzed to determine if it has its own oxygen source.
Since Harrit et al. clearly show a very large amount of O in the form of iron oxide intimately mixed with Al clearly the material is thermitic.
Rust? Rust proves what? This is funny you support liars on 911 issues with nothing but your own opinion. You failed to read the paper because in the paper the energy they found in the stuff they burned was not the same value as found in thermite. They found three different values. The fact is they found dust with some Al, rust, and other elements not used in thermite and they claim it is thermite which was used to destroy the WTC. This delusional logic is standard for the paranoid conspiracy theorists who wrote the paper trying to back in false evidence to support their failed conclusion thermite was used to destroy the WTC.

What is your favorite thermite chemical formula? Why is jet fuel ten times the energy of thermite? Why is does paper have more energy than thermite? Why use thermite when you can set fire to multiple floors in the WTC with a 250,000 pound jet going 590 mph with 66,000 pounds of jet fuel with the heat energy of 315 TONS of TNT!? Hello super-nano-liar believers?

Why did the terrorist use planes with jet fuel instead of sacks of thermite? This is the dumbest movement I have seen.

The aim of the experiment was to fake data and make the conclusion thermite was there so they can make the conclusion thermite was used to destroy the WTC; them made it up to fool other people so their ideas will prevail. They have failed to get anyone to act on their paper because it is bogus junk.

This is chemistry, if you are going to say the energy of the sample was less, less, and more energy than is in thermite you don't have thermite. My goodness there contents of the WTC have more energy than an equal weight of thermite; why do you need to follow liars into the dark pit of anti-intellectual total ignorance on 911?

It is sad the idiots doing the paper failed to get the right numbers for the energy in their samples. Since the paper is a scam anyway, why did they fail to fake the numbers and say it was exactly the same energy as thermite? Jones said there is thermite, Jones made up thermite, Jones is a failure on this topic and this is not the first time Jones has lied to make up evidence for his moronic delusion.

Please explain why their samples failed to be the same energy as thermite?


rock results in...

rocksDontsupportJones.jpg

Not one rock supported the failed paper. Rocks found to be better judges of Jones' failed paper than truthers. I spent some of this morning gathering the rocks around my yard to have a conference on 911 and found that the rocks are better informed on 911 than the standard truther. That is the truth. Found some iron in my back yard, and some Al, and some of the iron was rusted; the rocks did not say it was thermite; rocks found to be smarter on thermite than Jones. Nothing new at the beachnut backyard river-rock roundup!
 
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