Merged National Geographic Special - "9/11 Science and Conspiracy" Debunks Thermite Myth

[kylebisme]

Yes, and what do you think happened to the following things?

I think they would have would up fairly evenly distrubited in the rubble, and would not have produced "fires, which began at over 1,000 °C, gradually cooled, at least on the surface, during September and October 2001."

 

[kylebisme]

You claimed that the NG experiment wasn't representative, which apparently in your mind falsified the hypothesis that fires were hot enough to soften or weaken steel.

I said it would take a moron to think the fires couldn't the weaken steel, and rather it is the molten steel which is problematic to the official story. Then I went on to explain how the "experiment" was a poor representation of the conditions in question.

 

[kylebisme]

And this, right here, is the single biggest flaw with the "CD in the public interest" theory.

Set up for the public interest, used in a judgment call during an overwhelmingly high stress scenario.

 

[kylebisme]

Ahh.. wrong. goes like this.
you suggested a possibility, If you cannot prove this possibility, your assertion is unfounded.

Tell me; do consider it possible that other planets in the universe can sustain life? Can you prove it?

Had I suggest a fact, it would be my place to prove it, but I only suggested a possiblity.

 

[triforcharity]

And one can see it is hot enough to have melt steel, assuming one doesn't live under a rock.

Are you going to deny any report other than that of a metallurgist? Does your argument come down to "if a metallurgist didn't see it, it didn't happen"?

I didn't see it, and I was there for months. Something like this would have been talked about by anyone who was there. Fail again.

You must be the person other people go to for their fail shipments.

 

[Brainache]

I think they would have would up fairly evenly distrubited in the rubble, and would not have produced "fires, fires, which began at over 1,000 °C, gradually cooled, at least on the surface, during September and October 2001."

Why do you think this Kyle? What science have you used to arrive at this conclusion.

Let me guess: You are just making stuff up again. Am I right?

 

[A W Smith]

Tell me; do consider it possible that other planets in the universe can sustain life? Can you prove it?

Had I suggest a fact, it would be my place to prove it, but I only suggested a possiblity.

What does planets sustaining life that have to do with your assertion that thermite can cut sideways? which it cannot. because as it is consumed, gravity will pull the contents of the reaction away from contact with the element it is attempting to cut. You would need a huge fixture or vessel to hold the thermite against the column. Which would fail as the column would erode at the base leaking the contents of the vessel before it could cut.

 

[triforcharity]

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I'm not sure of any videos recording sounds of explosions off hand, but I know many people reported hearing as much, a quick Google search turns up this video compilation.


Where is the evidence you based your claim about my political beliefs on? Perhaps you were projecting here?

Ah, here is a video catching the sound of an explosion found though the related videos of the one I linked above.

Problem number 1,239 for the Twoof movement.

Many things in an office fire go BOOM. here is a short list. BTW, I have fought fire in highrise buildings where I have personally witnessed these things going boom.

Water heaters
computer monitors
televisions
HVAC equipment
elevator cables snapping at their failure point, and subsequent elevator falling to the basement
electrical transformers
Etc. etc. etc.

ALL of these are QUITE numerous in the WTC. Could it be possible that any one, or a combination of these could have made up the booms that WERE heard?? I bet so. But, the very LEAST possibility is explosives like RDX or C-4. These are the LEAST likely things to be found in WTC.

Now, based on the evidence that I have presented to you, which do you find more LIKELY?? Oh, nevermind, you're a twoofer. Always the LEAST likely canidate.

 

[triforcharity]

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I know the vast majority of the rubble was hauled off without investigation.


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Wow, so fresh kills landfill DIDN'T exist?? Holy snikeys batman!! Your as ignorant on 9/11 as any truther around!!


BTW, as far as explosions are concerned. After the towers collapsed, there were hundreds of SCBA bottles around. Those things tend to go BOOM when heated too much, or when punctured. That is another good source of booms, and many of them DID go boom.

 

[triforcharity]

Wildcat. I'm sorry but you are wrong. This was filmed by ... oh I can't remember her name.

It was filmed between 11:30 and noon after both towers collapsed and the explosion was real.

no one knows what it was from. But after the collapse of both towers there were dozens of explosions (probably from burned out cars, electrical transformers or maybe propane gas cannisters)

Don't forget SCBA bottles. Those go boom.

 

[triforcharity]

Do you know the name of the show? I have never seen any version of this but the truther version, which sorely lacks in context. And the audio seems doctored to me, the explosive sound is way too clear. At the levels needed to pick up speech clearly the mic preamp would have overloaded and the wave form would have shown massive clipping from an explosion.

Not really. I have not seen the full video, but there was a legitimate explosion. Consider that there were hundreds of SCBA canisters in there. One was bound to go off sooner or later. I do not rememeber this explosion, but I am certain I heard others like it. It may have echoed to where they were. I am guessing that wherever that explosion went off at, it wasn't very close to them.

But, that is just my semi-educated guess.

 

[triforcharity]

Can you understand what would have happened had this building been considerably taller?


Again, it depends on what explosives are used and what precautions are taken.

I cannot, as I am not an engineer or an explosive tech. I refer this question to people more qualified than me. See how that works?? I am not an expert on engineering. I do understand the very basics, and could build a porch, or a shed, and make it safe. But, to understand what exactly could have caused it, I would be speaking about something I have no formal training on.

BUT, I do know about public safety. Aand I know that if an explosive is rigger to go off, it is NOT safe for the PUBLIC to be anywhere NEAR such a device. Its just not sound judgement, nor is it even remotely understandable. Explosives+General public = NOT A GOOD IDEA.

But, what do you propose would be this completly safe, stable explosive. Don't say thermite, or any variation of such word.

 

[triforcharity]

I think they would have would up fairly evenly distrubited in the rubble, and would not have produced "fires, which began at over 1,000 °C, gradually cooled, at least on the surface, during September and October 2001."

So, what exactly is this little article saying that backs your story?? Nothing.

We know why the fires couldn't be extinguished. This is because WE (The FDNY) couldn't get enough water down there to extinguish them. Plain and simple. The water would flow down into many directions, and would have less volume. This would make it much more vunerable to hitting something hot (like a small fire, or hot steel) and converting to steam. Steam, as I am sure even you can understand, does not fight fire well. Why you ask?

#1- fire is not effected by steam, as the amount of water in even a huge steam cloud, is minimal at best.

#2- Steam goes UP, not DOWN. Again, you are wrong. You have no understanding of fire. Please, do not speak about something you don't even have a BASIC understanding of.

 

[Matthew Cline]

Remember, I suggested noble purposes, nothing black hearted.

NIST has analyzed the collapse in order to make recommendations on how buildings should be constructed in the future. If their analysis is based on a faulty model then their recommendations might make the buildings less safe. Shouldn't they blow the whistle to stop that?

I'm actually trying to figure out how a shaped explosive charge could hold thermitic material sideways long enough against thick metal to cut through it. I'd like to see an example of that from kyle because it sounds a little tricky to me.

It makes sense if you make some non-reality-based assumptions about thermite. Assume that thermite is so intensely hot that it instantly melts any steel with which it comes into contact, and that the only reason it doesn't free-fall vertically through steel is that it takes time for gravity to pull it down through the steel it just melted to get it into contact with the solid steel it hasn't touched yet. Taking these assumptions, if you hurl burning thermite with incredible speed at a piece of steel then it will slice through the steel like a white-hot knife through warm butter.

And once again, my "rogue unicorns brought down the towers" theory gets some back-up.

How dare you malign the noble unicron! All they want to do is steal your kidney...

 

[TruthersLie]

Thanks. Still inconclusive.

At any rate, what seems obvious is that whoever filmed it doesn't seem to think the noise, if it was on the original, was particularly important. No one comments on it. And besides, firemen performing rescue operations in WTC7 didn't evacuate the building until mid-afternoon so there certainly weren't bombs going off in it.

Wildcat.

I'm not disagreeing with you. It was AFTER the collapse of the first tower. And it was not the only explosion AFTER the collapse.

There are easily 10 things which could cause that explosion.

What there is NOT is a series of rapid fire concussive blasts on ANY video right before the collapse of towers 1,2 or wtc7. so it is irrelevant.

 

[TruthersLie]

I think they would have would up fairly evenly distrubited in the rubble, and would not have produced "fires, which began at over 1,000 °C, gradually cooled, at least on the surface, during September and October 2001."

You do realize that they did not START real fire fighting until 2 weeks AFTER the collapse right?

look it up. again 5 minutes of investagoogling would tell you that.

 

[TruthersLie]

I said it would take a moron to think the fires couldn't the weaken steel, and rather it is the molten steel which is problematic to the official story. Then I went on to explain how the "experiment" was a poor representation of the conditions in question.

again you bring up this trutherlie. Where are the images of molten steel? Where is the cooled molten steel? Where are the scientific papers showing molten steel?

still waiting for that citation...

 

[TruthersLie]

Problem number 1,239 for the Twoof movement.

Many things in an office fire go BOOM. here is a short list. BTW, I have fought fire in highrise buildings where I have personally witnessed these things going boom.

Water heaters
computer monitors
televisions
HVAC equipment
elevator cables snapping at their failure point, and subsequent elevator falling to the basement
electrical transformers
Etc. etc. etc.

ALL of these are QUITE numerous in the WTC. Could it be possible that any one, or a combination of these could have made up the booms that WERE heard?? I bet so. But, the very LEAST possibility is explosives like RDX or C-4. These are the LEAST likely things to be found in WTC.

Now, based on the evidence that I have presented to you, which do you find more LIKELY?? Oh, nevermind, you're a twoofer. Always the LEAST likely canidate.

Hey tri. that leaves out dozens of other things.
hairspray, cologne, industrial cleaning supplies, copiers, toner, and my personal favorite the compressed air cylinders in office chairs.

But as a firefighter you already knew those... I just love how ignorant twoofs are. Why can't they do 10 minutes of investigoogling?

 

[TruthersLie]

Tell me; do consider it possible that other planets in the universe can sustain life? Can you prove it?

Had I suggest a fact, it would be my place to prove it, but I only suggested a possiblity.

But you in fact have made several bs claims.

such as

the vast majority of the debris was whisked off w/out being investigated.

provide a citation please.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Hey tri. that leaves out dozens of other things.
hairspray, cologne, industrial cleaning supplies, copiers, toner, and my personal favorite the compressed air cylinders in office chairs.

But as a firefighter you already knew those... I just love how ignorant twoofs are. Why can't they do 10 minutes of investigoogling?

Propane, natural gas...if applicable to this case.