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Merged Derren Brown - predicting lottery numbers

or fleas, I mean how are ants meant to crawl up a transparent stand unseen, really...
 
HAHAHA!

I love Derren!

I don't care if that's how he did it or not - even to imply it is great. :) It should kick up publicity for the rest of the events.

(And I'm referring to his option 3 explantion that he definitely did not use)

(and it looks lke he decided to simply not reveal how he actually genuinely did it)
 
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So, the shows over.

24 people, all look at every number drawn for the last year. Each person, after looking at the previous numbers, try to predict the 6 numbers. He then takes the average value for each number, and claims that is what he used....

or... basic(ish) camera trickery

eta: thats probably quite a bad explanation.. but no doubt someone else will word it better..
 
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Ashles said:
ETA: It's amusing me how posters are implying this trick is hardly any more complicated than two people, a copy of Adobe Premier and six ping pong balls.
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Its even easier than having a copy of adobe premiere,sony vegas or adobe after effects with a realtime mixing setup.And doing it on after effects from home is a 5 minute job for me.
 
Well that was disappointing, a couple of tricks and a group of volunteers probably borrowed from deal or no deal to guess a bunch of numbers, which were to be used to predict the lottery.

And what was up with the guy who was relieved after stamping on each cup, he was going to get £500,000 if he got a knife through his foot.
 
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I was very dissapointed with his elaborate ruse as to how this trick was done.

What was he hoping to achieve by this and am I missing the point!?
 
That was rubbish. He said it was a trick, leaving the possibility hanging that it was some sort of collective will from a group of guessers.
 
What a load of absolute rubbish that was. The odds of a group of 24 people getting 3 and then 4 numbers in consecutive draws must be pretty good (I know it is 1 in 56 for 3 numbers if I choose just 6 numbers). Those idiots really thought they had picked the numbers through automatic writing. And how exactly did Derren and the other bloke decipher scribbles into legible numbers? They didn't even get to see what the numbers were until he revealed them after the draw (just like us).

Seeing the footage from Wednesday again on my 32in LCD it was blatantly obvious there was no parallax and that the wobble was fake, it was so unreal that my wife got mild motion sickness. None of the effects/errors that have been noted on this thread were brought up as misdirections.

Without a shadow of a doubt it was a split screen. Anyone disagree?
 
db2431 said:
Its even easier than having a copy of adobe premiere,sony vegas or adobe after effects with a realtime mixing setup.And doing it on after effects from home is a 5 minute job for me.
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In a live setting, with a hand held camera? Nope, don't believe you.

And I have used both Premiere and After Effects at work.

(And the camera definitely was hand held, at least to start with - maybe they locked it off and then applied the split screen and artificial wobble. That's all possible, but it would be no '5 minute job' to set up and prepare for. Claim otherwise all you wish but it simply isn't easy to do it seamlessly in such a sceario)
 
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Well, whoever predicted an hour of mumbo-jumbo explanation was absolutely right. "Wisdom of crowds" my backside. ;) rigging the whole lottery would be slightly more plausible, but still much less likely than technological wizardry (with the split screen surely the favourite)

still, an enjoyable show, especially the coin tossing game. Looking forward to next week's one.
 
Cueshark said:
I was very dissapointed with his elaborate ruse as to how this trick was done.

What was he hoping to achieve by this and am I missing the point!?
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He got an hours TV out of something that would require 10 minutes truthful explanation, and more importantly we're still not sure how its done - people will continue to talk about it generating more hype.
 
What I find really disappointing is that there are lots of people who think that he predicted the numbers. A prediction is when you reveal that something is going to happen before it happens. It's not a prediction if you reveal it after the fact. I know folks here understand that, but some people just don't get it. I bet lots of people are trying to figure out how he knew the numbers before the drawing, even if there was nothing magical about it, without stopping once to consider that there is no evidence that he knew the numbers in advance.
 
Ashles said:
In a live setting, with a hand held camera? Nope, don't believe you.

And I have used both Premiere and After Effects at work.

(And the camera definitely was hand held, at least to start with - maybe they locked it off and then applied the split screen and artificial wobble. That's all possible, but it would be no '5 minute job' to set up and prepare for. Claim otherwise all you wish but it simply isn't easy to do it seamlessly in such a sceario)
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Except it wasnt a handheld camera, this has been thoroughly debunked.Im finding it hard to believe you have ever tried the techniques to replicate this trick or have anymore than very basic knowledge of the programs mentioned, it literally is a 5 minute job, with fake camera wiggle and all.
 
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But I have to agree it was weird him pushing the 'wisdom of crowds' ability to predict randomness (which was not really what he 'wisdom of crowds' was about - it was about a guess for something they can estimate based on actual data and then average out the guesses).
What he is describing is basically a paranormal claim and Derren has spent years expressing complete skepticism for such things.

I just love the audacity of implying he rigged the lottery.
 
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