Merged National Geographic Special - "9/11 Science and Conspiracy" Debunks Thermite Myth

alienentity said:
I've read most of your posts, reluctantly, btw. I'm sorry, but your ideas don't impress me at all, compared with the various peer-reviewed papers of top-notch structural engineers, etc.

To take just one of your objections, the NG beam test, can you name the person who designed the test...
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If you are impressed by the beam test, think the name of the person who designed it has any relevance, and choose to ignore the flaws I pointed out in it, that says enough for me.
 
kylebisme said:
If you are impressed by the beam test, think the name of the person who designed it has any relevance, and choose to ignore the flaws I pointed out in it, that says enough for me.
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What flaws?

And besides, there weren't even beams like that in the WTC. They used trusses, which are far more susceptible to fire than beams are.
 
BigAl said:
No tower fell at anything like "free fall" on 9/11.
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NIST disagrees.
nicepants said:
What would be the purpose of something like this as opposed to a standard shaped charge?
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More cut, less boom, and conceivably a smaller package.

WildCat said:
Not how it works kyle. You're making the extraordinary claim, you prove it.
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I suggested a possibility, you asserted impossibility. If you cannot prove impossibility, your assertion is unfounded.

WildCat said:
And as far as thermite cutting through steel, here's a thermite grenade placed on a steel safe. It doesn't even make a hole in the safe.
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Nor was it designed to.
 
kylebisme said:
I note that you skipped clean over the my comments explaining what wasn't right and went straight for the condensation and appeals to authority.
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All you junk is wrong. You are filled with moronic ideas about 911 and you can't figure it out. You repeat failed ideas of other people and have no evidence. The WTC fell due to impacts and fires and you lack the skill, the knowledge, the abilities to understand that.

Sorry, but since Robertson built the WTC and I am an engineer who passed physics and earned a masters degree, I don't have to believe the idiotic ideas you spew. I can see you are making up lies because I am a trained engineer, while the other JREF posters are able to see you are a liar based on their ability to think rationally. I had to be trained, most the JREF posters are just good critical thinkers who are skeptical about everything, especially the lies you fling like poppycock.

So far you make claims based on your own failed opinions. Why are you evidence free? You have presented zero substance to back up your failed ideas on 911.

You have the mythical delusion of more cut less boom, the silent explosives of your fantasy world of conspiracy theories. You have nothing but delusions on 911. Thanks for sharing them
 
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kylebisme said:
I suggested a possibility, you asserted impossibility. If you cannot prove impossibility, your assertion is unfounded.
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Once again kyle, that's not how it works. You are making the positive claim: "thermite can cut sideways". It is up to you to prove it. After all, I cannot prove something is impossible, however you can prove something is possible.

To further illustrate let's take this example:

Stan: I have an invisible pink unicorn underneath nmy bed.
Fran: No you don't, that's impossible.
Stan: You didn't prove it was impossible! Pwned!!!!11lol!!!1 I win!

Do you get it now kyle? Prove your claim or drop it.

Now what do you intend to do to show that thermite can cut sideways?
 
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kylebisme said:
... It is the molten steel found at the base of the towers which stands in contradiction to the official story.
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There is no melted steel anywhere at the WTC. Show us a picture of the tons of melted steel and show us some thermite product, the iron, the piles of iron left from the thermite? Show some evidence instead of repeating lies.
 
WildCat said:
Once again kyle, that's not how it works. You are making the positive claim: "thermite can cut sideways". It is up to you to prove it. After all, I cannot prove something is possible, however you can prove something is possible.
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You mean you can't prove something is impossible, which I understand, but you seem to fail to while you claim thermite cutting sideways is impossible.

I have described how it could be done, and your response has been the equvianlt of "na-ah".
 
Kyle,

There is no such thing as a shaped charge that uses thermite as a component in any way, shape, or form. And thermite does not burn sideways.

Beachnut is a trained engineer.

I have been working with explosives and incendiaries almost daily for over ten years now.

Others here have real world experience in a number of jobs and disciplines that apply to the relevant areas of the 9/11 discussion.

You need to learn to listen to people who are experts in a given field. You are banging your head against the wall arguing about things that are known, proven facts. You think 9/11 was an inside job, fine. That still does not change the fact that thermite is not used in shaped charges nor does it change the fact that thermite does not burn sideways.

L.
 
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kylebisme said:
You mean you can't prove something is impossible, which I understand, but you seem to fail to while you claim thermite cutting sideways is impossible.

I have described how it could be done, and your response has been the equvianlt of "na-ah".
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Link, please.
 
kylebisme said:
You mean you can't prove something is impossible, which I understand, but you seem to fail to while you claim thermite cutting sideways is impossible.

I have described how it could be done, and your response has been the equvianlt of "na-ah".
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You can do whatever you want but the thermite was not used at the WTC complex. You have to come up with evidence not talk. So far you have presented opinions, talk, hearsay, lies and moronic delusions. Where is your evidence to support your delusional conclusion?

So far your presentation is pure speculation based on your inability to understand structural engineering, fire science and physics.
 
kylebisme said:
I don't call myself a truther, I call the "Bush did it" crew and no-planers and such truthers, along with those of your who feverishly cling to the official conspiracy theory with belligerence and condescension.
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Please, produce a theory that fits the evidence better than the "official conspiracy theory". Not wild speculation or "what might have happened", but a simple narrative that fits the evidence. Got one of those?
 
kylebisme said:
You mean you can't prove something is impossible,
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Fixed.

which I understand, but you seem to fail to while you claim thermite cutting sideways is impossible.
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Because gravity draws it to the center of the earth.

I have described how it could be done, and your response has been the equvianlt of "na-ah".
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Really? Could you explain again how this can be done? I seem to have mised it...
 
kylebisme said:
nicepants said:
kylebisme said:
Pack it into a shaped charge and igniting it just prior to a secondary explosive which blasts it in the direction you want.
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What would be the purpose of something like this as opposed to a standard shaped charge?
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More cut, less boom, and conceivably a smaller package.
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If you're trying to claim that such a device could cut better than a shaped charge, please provide a source.

If your device requires explosives then anyone using it would obviously not be concerned about the "boom".

Package size would be increased if you had to set off the device in two distinct steps.

So far there's still no valid reason to use such a device instead of a regular cutter charge.
 
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