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Reagan's Legacy - Good, Bad, or Ugly

corplinx said:
Then I think it is very telling that you left Lincoln off your list.
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I was talking about the ones who served in MY lifetime. Too bad for Ford that I couldn't rank Coolidge and Harding and Hoover between him and Nixon.

I was born in 1946. Had my life and FDR's overlapped, I would rank him as the best. I still have not had time to rate Obama, because he has not really had a chance to make his mark in a major way. He will come down in the same range with Truman or Kennedy, based on results to date.
 
oldhat said:
Remember when he was joking around about starting nuclear war with the Soviets on TV? Boy, that was hilarious
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As a conservative, I love that this still bothers you guys so much. I can't help it. I know it's wrong to feel that way. I don't know why I love it. But I just can't help it. It's just so ridiculous and hysterical.
 
And by the way, I must note, this isn't a thread that was created by conservatives to praise Reagan, with lies, which the op is complaining about.

It's a thread created to hurt Reagan's credibily, by someone on the left. Also telling. Very.

Hardly anyone who is jumping in to praise the man. But endless waves of insults from known lefties.

I think it's much more of a case of people on the left who cannot stand Reagan's legacy, and insist on believing their own version of reality, and will do whatever they can do destroy the man, even long after his presidency and death. People only react that way to something threatening.
 
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Whiplash said:
As a conservative, I love that this still bothers you guys so much. I can't help it. I know it's wrong to feel that way. I don't know why I love it. But I just can't help it. It's just so ridiculous and hysterical.
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Even as a mostly non-conservative, I agree with you. I actually did find it funny - very funny - and it's one of the things he did that I like about Ronny.
 
Whiplash said:
As a conservative, I love that this still bothers you guys so much. I can't help it. I know it's wrong to feel that way. I don't know why I love it. But I just can't help it. It's just so ridiculous and hysterical.
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Snide said:
Even as a mostly non-conservative, I agree with you. I actually did find it funny - very funny - and it's one of the things he did that I like about Ronny.
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As a "known lefty" (wtf), I also think it was hilarious.
 
Whiplash said:
It's a thread created to hurt Reagan's credibily, by someone on the left. Also telling. Very.
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Really? I went back to read the OP and it listed various pros and cons of Reagan and then asked for feedback. Could you please provide some evidence for your claim that you know what the purpose of the thread is. Not, mind you, how it has evolved, which I disagree with you about but about the purpose of the OP.
 
Whiplash said:
And by the way, I must note, this isn't a thread that was created by conservatives to praise Reagan, with lies, which the op is complaining about.

It's a thread created to hurt Reagan's credibily, by someone on the left. Also telling. Very.

Hardly anyone who is jumping in to praise the man. But endless waves of insults from known lefties.

I think it's much more of a case of people on the left who cannot stand Reagan's legacy, and insist on believing their own version of reality, and will do whatever they can do destroy the man, even long after his presidency and death. People only react that way to something threatening.
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Reagan's legacy is threatening because Reagan set America on a different path, and not a good one.

And the deification of Reagan by the right is really unsettling.
 
incidentally, I was born on Reagan's first presidential election win.

In 2004 - I got "four more years" as my birthday present. The best present one could ask for I suppose...;)
 
Whiplash said:
As a conservative, I love that this still bothers you guys so much. I can't help it. I know it's wrong to feel that way. I don't know why I love it. But I just can't help it. It's just so ridiculous and hysterical.
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As a liberal, I wouldn't say that it bothers me as much as it is a part of history that I think shouldn't be sugarcoated. I will freely admit that the same could be said of FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton. (I personally think JFK was possibly the most incompetent president since Harding and until GW Bush).

But it was indeed a time of unprecedented scandal and (IMO) horrible long-term damage to my country. Not because of incompetence (apart from Reagan himself, who was just a figurehead) but because of greedy, lawless, heartless, underhanded competence. They were good at what they did. Very good. Even their PR was technically brilliant, as borne out by the fact that many people still regard the Reagan years as a "Golden Age of Conservatism".

I don't take joy that some conservatives are still PO'd about Clinton. Or Carter. Why, Whiplash, do you love that some still find the Reagan years to be a dark time in America? Would you prefer that we forget history?
 
Tricky said:
I don't take joy that some conservatives are still PO'd about Clinton. Or Carter. Why, Whiplash, do you love that some still find the Reagan years to be a dark time in America? Would you prefer that we forget history?
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Whiplash was referring only to Reagan's joke of bombing the Russians while the mic was live.
 
Snide said:
Whiplash was referring only to Reagan's joke of bombing the Russians while the mic was live.
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Oh hell, that was funny. Not very smart, making such comments in range of a microphone, but obviously not serious. Reagan was a much better comedian than he was a President. I do not denigrate those comedic talents. He made America laugh so hard they forgot he was incompetent as a President.
 
Reagan proved the bleak Situationist thesis to be correct.

"We live in a spectacular society, that is, our whole life is surrounded by an immense accumulation of spectacles. Things that were once directly lived are now lived by proxy. Once an experience is taken out of the real world it becomes a commodity. As a commodity the spectacular is developed to the detriment of the real. It becomes a substitute for experience.”

- 'Images And Everyday Life' by Larry Law
 
Tricky said:
Oh hell, that was funny. Not very smart, making such comments in range of a microphone, but obviously not serious.
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I just take it as an indication of when he started losing his marbles. It obviously started long prior to 1989.
 
Tricky said:
Oh hell, that was funny. Not very smart, making such comments in range of a microphone, but obviously not serious. Reagan was a much better comedian than he was a President. I do not denigrate those comedic talents. He made America laugh so hard they forgot he was incompetent as a President.
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Not to get into Reagan-bashing, but I would add that while the media and what seemed to me (I was young) the rest of the world called him "The Great Communicator," I saw him speak and could only think that I was watching an OK actor delivering lines.
 
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