Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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God works in mysterious ways. Like when he completely ignored his own chosen people during the holocaust and allowed up to 6 million to perish without raising a yelp.

Slightly off topic: does anyone know the name of the critically aclaimed play where some Jewish prisoners in a concentration camp put God on trial for possibly breaking the covenent? I heard a bit a while ago and would love a transcript...Thanking you and apologies for going OT.
 
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Slightly off topic: does anyone know the name of the critically aclaimed play where some Jewish prisoners in a concentration camp put on God on trial for possibly breaking the covenent? I heard a bit a while ago and would love a transcript...Thanking you and apologies for going OT.

Which attorney would be stupid enough to represent god? :p
 
God works in mysterious ways. Like when he completely ignored his own chosen people during the holocaust and allowed up to 6 million to perish without raising a yelp.

See, he had to get the numbers down to the chosen 144,000...Unfortunately, the US came to the aid of GB (who was holding off Hitler's western front) and ended God's great plan...

Why do you think we haven't seen the apocalypse yet? God's formulating his next plan for winnowing out the proper number of chosen ones...
 
Stalin and Pol Pot tried that way.

That would be the same Stalin who trained to be an Orthodox priest before he decided the hell with it, he'd just go straight to the top and become a mass-murderer himself instead of leaving it to God?


Nowhere does it say God would punish monks for eternity in the bible.

The bible says God is Perfect and Just. A perfect and just God will give a perfect and just judgement.

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me."

I doubt Buddhist monks do much believing in Jesus as the son of God. (Or haven't you read that part of the Bible yet?)
 
You have described Jesus as perfect. A) Perfect is an objective opinion. You define perfect as anything Jesus does so your logic is circular. B) You have no evidence that your understanding of Jesus's reported deeds are what happened.
Jesus is perfect; just like a perfect square or a perfect circle, a perfect Jesus does not exist in reality except as a concept written on a piece of paper or in the minds of men.
 
Given that this depiction of cowardice is written long after the events, isn't it possible (if not probable) that the authors of those accounts simply did a 'Geisler'-oversimplify/mis-state facts to make a point to impress the faithful?

So you impress the faithful by portraying the eventual leader of your faith as a coward who denies Christ 3 times to a lone woman at a campfire while trying to keep warm??
 
How odd, when anyone suggests that you need to read a book (such as a current text on cosmology or biology), you claim you either do not have the time or that you are not interested. And yet, you think everyone else should read your suggestions.

I don't believe I ever said I wasn't interested. But I did say to those who recommended a book they were more than welcome to bring in any segments from their recommendations.
 
DOC's seem to be only able to appeal to the authority of outdated scholars because there isn't much else he can appeal to.
I asked you to give me three instances where this supposed outdated scholar {Ramsay} who spent 15 years of intensive study in biblical lands was proven wrong but I don't believe you ever got back to me.
 
I don't believe I ever said I wasn't interested. But I did say to those who recommended a book they were more than welcome to bring in any segments from their recommendations.


You said something very close:

These forums are about discussing. If you have answers "discuss" them? Don't tell me they're someplace else? If I thought for a second that your books had answers, I would take the time in my busy life to read them. The fact that you won't discuss them in a discussion arena makes me suspicious. You sound like an author who wants to promote books.


And yet, you do not post any segments from your "If Jesus Never Came" book for discussion. You merely tell people that they should read it.

Then again, after the travesty that is Geisler's work was exposed, I can see why you would be hesitant to link additional nonsense.
 
Probably after Constantine, because people then didn't have to worry about being killed, tortured, and imprisoned for being a Christian like the thousands under Emperor Diocletian:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1223223AA97yyr

http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/552124
Interesting article Doc. I presume that, as usual. you didn't read it. Here are some highlights.

This opinion comes from the Christian author, Lactantius, and is coloured by the persecution of Christianity that began during Diocletian’s reign. Lactantius and other Roman Christians “tended to portray the ‘Great’ persecution of Diocletian as a bloodbath”[5] and the Liber Pontificalis claims that 17,000 Christians were martyred throughout the empire in less than a month[6]. These numbers are hardly credible


So after ten years of almost constant persecution, how effective had the ‘Great’ persecution been? The most obvious place to start is to look at the fact that less than ten years after the end of the persecution, a Christian emperor sat on the throne of the Caesars and Christianity was now the official religion of the Roman Empire. This would point to the absolute failure of the persecution and despite the exaggeration of the Liber Pontificalis of those martyred, the numbers of Christians dead appears to be relatively little.

...the ‘Great’ persecution had been an almost total failure. The numbers of Christian martyrs appears to have been small, despite the reports of the Liber Pontificalis, and the enforcing of the persecution was “geographically patchy”

 
I asked you to give me three instances where this supposed outdated scholar {Ramsay} who spent 15 years of intensive study in biblical lands was proven wrong but I don't believe you ever got back to me.
Perhaps you could give me three instances where Ramsay gave any evidence (see the title of the thread) of the essential elements of the bible fable.

Ok I will take 1.
 
Probably after Constantine, because people then didn't have to worry about being killed, tortured, and imprisoned for being a Christian like the thousands under Emperor Diocletian:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071111223223AA97yyr

http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Post/552124

Thanks very much for the links, DOC. I found the second one especially informative.


...So after ten years of almost constant persecution, how effective had the ‘Great’ persecution been? The most obvious place to start is to look at the fact that less than ten years after the end of the persecution, a Christian emperor sat on the throne of the Caesars and Christianity was now the official religion of the Roman Empire. This would point to the absolute failure of the persecution and despite the exaggeration of the Liber Pontificalis of those martyred, the numbers of Christians dead appears to be relatively little and confined to the more important and prominent members of the community, such as Marcellinus[37], Bishop of Rome and Eusebius’s[38] mentor Pamphilius. The organisation of the ‘Great’ persecution has been heavily criticised for while the anti-Christian edicts issued by Diocletian and Galerius were meant to be empire wide, the persecution in the west seems to have been confined to some churches being pulled down by Constantius[39] in Gaul, Britain and Spain and no one was executed. Even the obvious Christians in Rome were not arrested in the early years of the persecution suggesting that even the Augustus, Maximian did not enforce the edict, although he may later have used it as an excuse to confiscate land for himself.

Despite not being able to prevent the rise of Christianity, the ‘Great’ persecution did have a lasting effect on Christians. Almost immediately there was an argument about allowing those who had deviated from their faith and taken some part in a sacrifice to re-enter the church.

At the end of the day, fiscal persecution, torture and death are obviously wrong decisions in religious matters. No one can justify the 'great' persecution, although, from your sources, one has to wonder just how far the christians exaggerated the numbers of deaths.
DOC, don't you find it curious the christian church, when it could, dedicated time and effort over centuries, if not millenia, to persecuting, torturing and killing those perceived as having different religious views?
And not just the mother church; protestants have persecuted, tortured and killed in the name of christ as well.

So back to the OP- evidence the NT writers told the truth.
Thus far, none.
 
I asked you to give me three instances where this supposed outdated scholar {Ramsay} who spent 15 years of intensive study in biblical lands was proven wrong but I don't believe you ever got back to me.
Why don't you produce one of his claims concerning Jesus' resurrection and miracles and then we can see if it is still valid?

You HAVE read Ramsay, haven't you?
 
Then again, after the travesty that is Geisler's work was exposed, I can see why you would be hesitant to link additional nonsense.

You have the right to your opinion just like you had the right to your opinion about "Superman and Kryptonite.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5088359#post5088359

But I disagree with your opinion about Geisler and if one reads my posts in this thread they will know some of the reasons why.

And I'm not hesitant about Kennedy's book, in fact I even had a whole thread devoted to one of the chapters of the book that dealt with Christianity's impact on the founding of many of America's colleges.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93014
 
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