Why Are We Debunking 9/11 CTs? Is It Still Relevant?

This is why: the fools are still at it.

http://www.ae911truth.org/info/88

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— Richard Gage, AIA

3 Speaking Events and 2 Strategy Meetings Gather Patriot Groups and Draw 2 State Reps


The patriots are out in full stride and the ground is fertile in Southern Montana. Thanks to David Milak of Sacred Mysteries bookstore, we had three full speaking stops on 8/28, 8/29, and 8/30 in Bozeman, Livingston, and Emigrant, along with three articles, six ads, two radio interviews, a meeting with a 9/11-aware state representative, and two AE911Truth Mountain Region strategy potluck meetings.

We were joined onstage by one of our 30 structural engineers, Robert Merceau, PE, a 40-year structural engineer with a masters degree in Structural Engineering Science who has designed several high-rises. Bob gave the audience many insightful comments from his expertise and highlighted numerous fallacies in the NIST report on WTC7 and the Twin Towers. We had some very nice interactive exchanges that worked well with the audience.
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Here's where it was held:
http://www.sacredmysteriesbookstore.com/

At least it wasn't on a campus around here.
 
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What an awkward looking picture.

To be on topic: I posted why I do it but I forgot to mention another reason.

I strive to debunk 911 CTs for the ladies.
 
From the above article: "In Bozeman, 131 people showed up, and 39 were either unsure or believed in the official conspiracy theory beforehand. Afterward none did. 100% again." seems to me whatever you are trying to achieve here is either totally ineffective or largely going unnoticed.
I think by trying to undermine people because they accept the possibility that something is true (which is the right of everyone) using derogatory remarks and generally demonstrating that mature debate is beyond your capabilities will prove in the long run to be extremely counter-productive
I'll be blunt - these people have a high public profile, you do not.
In your fervour to finger point trivialities - you have missed a very big picture indeed - such as the awarding of 150 million dollars a year to the 60,000 people who's health was destroyed but the highly contaminated dust around the WTC.
This came about through the constant lobbying of the 9/11 truth movement.
I would suggest your energies would be better directed to proving your patriotism by helping instead of arguing semantics with those who, by your own admission, are beyond help.
I would be interested in your mature responses only.
 
Congruentruth said:
such as the awarding of 150 million dollars a year to the 60,000 people who's health was destroyed but the highly contaminated dust around the WTC.
This came about through the constant lobbying of the 9/11 truth movement.
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That claim is b******t. I live in Staten Island, the suburb of Manhattan with the largest number of victims and families of victime of 9/11, both first-responders and civilians. We have dedicated medical facilities here for people that need it.

There never has been a "Twoof" presence here for any reason, let alone in support of the victims. That goes for the rest of the city as far as I know. Tri and some of the other first responders here can comment about their experience.

The "Jersey Girls' played a big role but they were 100% engaged before Jones invented his magic claims or the world first heard the word "Truth" abused to meaninglessness.
 
Congruentruth said:
From the above article: "In Bozeman, 131 people showed up, and 39 were either unsure or believed in the official conspiracy theory beforehand. Afterward none did. 100% again." seems to me whatever you are trying to achieve here is either totally ineffective or largely going unnoticed.
I think by trying to undermine people because they accept the possibility that something is true (which is the right of everyone) using derogatory remarks and generally demonstrating that mature debate is beyond your capabilities will prove in the long run to be extremely counter-productive
I'll be blunt - these people have a high public profile, you do not.
In your fervour to finger point trivialities - you have missed a very big picture indeed - such as the awarding of 150 million dollars a year to the 60,000 people who's health was destroyed but the highly contaminated dust around the WTC.
This came about through the constant lobbying of the 9/11 truth movement.
I would suggest your energies would be better directed to proving your patriotism by helping instead of arguing semantics with those who, by your own admission, are beyond help.
I would be interested in your mature responses only.
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Congruentruth said:
I am not going to repeat myself on this one - Mature answers only.
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I'll give you a mature answer, but you should refrain from trying to dictate the posting content or "attitude" on a public forum.

1. Who has a high public profile?

2. The time for mature debate was 2006, and here, then, a lot of productive mature debate was had. It has essentially all been done, and those who remain here now tend to do so for the stupidity and paranoid insanity that is the remainder of the truth movement.

3. Nice try on the "first responders hurt during clean up" diversion. It is irrelevant to 9/11 CTs, but a very common diversion tactic used by truthers without significant points to make or debate.

4. Please show me, any LEGITIMATE source, that indicates that the awards for the first responders are owed IN LARGE PART (or any significant part really) to the actions of the truth movement.

5. I think you would be better served by focusing your legitimate desire to right wrongs on reality instead of the lies sold to you by the truther snakeoil salesmen.

TAM:)
 
As I stated earlier. Mature posts only. If you think that I'm dictating anything here you are clearly wrong as proven in your posts.Your defensiveness is puzzling to say the least.Mature- its not an unreasonable request.
 
Congruentruth said:
As I stated earlier. Mature posts only. If you think that I'm dictating anything here you are clearly wrong as proven in your posts.Your defensiveness is puzzling to say the least.Mature- its not an unreasonable request.
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The "Truth Movement" had nothing to do with getting the necessary care to the victims of 9/11.
 
Thankyou. But you are incorrect.The initial political lobbying of prime politicians was undertaken by the Truth Movement.Later under the auspices of We Are Change and 9/11 Responders Congress was lobbied and shortly after the Mayor of New York submitted the recommendation for the 150 million dollar help package.
 
Christie Todd Whitman, however, was not punished for misleading New Yorkers that the air was safe to breath.
 
Now, I am well aware that you are all tapping your keyboards frantically looking for contradictions.
But you see, this is where you make your greatest mistake.
You see every time you come in on someone that holds the truth position, they will let you rant and rave and be insulting because they know you are getting off on it.
Trouble is, that isn't what's important to them.
You go away all 'full of your britches' feeling victorious and they have a written testimony signed by you that you are nothing more than an egotistical zealot - which remains forever!
If you want to be taken really seriously then you must simply 'lay your table out' and not force things down peoples throats.
Never underestimate your opponent - they will use your weaknesses against you.
Now.Consider your replies please, try to be mature.
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
Good point. I have an answer which I think most here would feel is important in a continued validation of debunking. But I'd also like to know why others think what they do is relevant even though the 911 Truth movement is, for purposes, meaningless
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**Snork**

1. Just last year, someone gave my father in law a 911 truther pamphlet. A translated version in German here in Germany.
2. I learned just last week that a fellow I know believes the US government carried out the attacks on 911. He's a nice guy, runs a jewelry shop here. I'd have never figured him to believe such non-sense.

The truthers still exist in the wild and are still gaining converts. So long as the crap is out there, somebody needs to be fighting it.
 
"truthers still exist in the wild".
You sound just like Geobbels addressing the German people regarding the Jews.
You have to stop identifying these people as a creed, they are not.
They are proactive individuals from all walks of life and until you see them as this you will fall into the same traps that the Nazi's did -primarily thinking that you are in some way superior.This is false and it something you need to swallow if you wish to prevail.
You have weaknesses and this is where you need to look to strengthen your position.
There is no requirement on my part for you to agree - simply be mature
 
Congruentruth said:
"truthers still exist in the wild".
You sound just like Geobbels addressing the German people regarding the Jews.
You have to stop identifying these people as a creed, they are not.
They are proactive individuals from all walks of life and until you see them as this you will fall into the same traps that the Nazi's did -primarily thinking that you are in some way superior.This is false and it something you need to swallow if you wish to prevail.
You have weaknesses and this is where you need to look to strengthen your position.
There is no requirement on my part for you to agree - simply be mature
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Sock puppet methinks.

Do not make sock puppet accusations in thread.
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the Scarlet letter known as the 911 truth movement

Congruentruth said:
From the above article: "In Bozeman, 131 people showed up, and 39 were either unsure or believed in the official conspiracy theory beforehand. Afterward none did. 100% again." seems to me whatever you are trying to achieve here is either totally ineffective or largely going unnoticed.
I think by trying to undermine people because they accept the possibility that something is true (which is the right of everyone) using derogatory remarks and generally demonstrating that mature debate is beyond your capabilities will prove in the long run to be extremely counter-productive
I'll be blunt - these people have a high public profile, you do not.
In your fervour to finger point trivialities - you have missed a very big picture indeed - such as the awarding of 150 million dollars a year to the 60,000 people who's health was destroyed but the highly contaminated dust around the WTC.
This came about through the constant lobbying of the 9/11 truth movement.
I would suggest your energies would be better directed to proving your patriotism by helping instead of arguing semantics with those who, by your own admission, are beyond help.
I would be interested in your mature responses only.
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Oh yeah their making so much headway. When it is brought to the public's attention that someone was stupid enough to believe that crap they were forced to resign.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090906/pl_nm/us_obama_environment_adviser_2

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A White House environmental policy adviser who specialized in "green jobs" resigned on Sunday after an uproar over his previous affiliation with a September 11 conspiracy group.
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BigAl said:
Sock puppet methinks.
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Thankyou. A perfect demonstration of what I was talking about.
Unfortunately you will never be taken seriously by mature adults. Your arrogance and lack of even the basic critical thinking skills will simply guarantee your inevitable and embarrassing demise.
Not to worry - you are only playing at being warriors. Nobody knows you and never will!
It takes courage to protest against authority -something you will never understand in a million years.
Stay in your bedrooms girls,and play with your political Barbie Dolls.
 
A W Smith said:
Oh yeah their making so much headway. When it is brought to the public's attention that someone was stupid enough to believe that crap they were forced to resign.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090906/pl_nm/us_obama_environment_adviser_2
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"On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me,"

This is simply a Republican backlash!They didn't like a nasty badge that he was seen wearing in an old video.

So they sacked the gardener -so what?
 
MortFurd said:
**Snork**

1. Just last year, someone gave my father in law a 911 truther pamphlet. A translated version in German here in Germany.
2. I learned just last week that a fellow I know believes the US government carried out the attacks on 911. He's a nice guy, runs a jewelry shop here. I'd have never figured him to believe such non-sense.

The truthers still exist in the wild and are still gaining converts. So long as the crap is out there, somebody needs to be fighting it.
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And just what do you call 'fighting it'? This forum?.... ok.
 
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