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VFF and the Diaphragm Test

Uncayimmy

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VisionFromFeeling contacted me via Skype last Friday to ask me what I thought of a test where she detects whether a woman has a diaphragm in her vagina or not. The story she related is "I saw a diaphragm!! I really saw it! I have never seen one before! <snip> A woman walked past in the hallway and I was sitting in class and the door was open, so I only saw her as she walked by. But the perception I had was instantaneous and clear. It took me by surprise. I would never have expected to see that."

She wanted to know what I thought about a test protocol where "...I were to pretend to be doing a survey on how many women, of a certain age for instance, use a diaphragm, would that give me a way to check for my accuracy before an actual test? For instance: I look at a woman and if I perceive that she is, I write a small mark somewhere on a card, and if I perceive that she does not have, I write a different kind of mark on that card, and that card is a small questionnaire that simply asks for her age group and whether she is using a diaphragm. "

It should be noted that VFF did not actually confirm that the person she saw was, in fact, wearing a diaphragm. This is also the first time she has ever perceived a diaphragm. She said, "This is actually once again one of my strongest perceptions. So I would definitely consider a test with this, if it could be arranged." Of course, this seems to contradict her claims that she puts no faith in perceptions being real and that it's her "apparent accuracy" that she is investigating.

A diaphragm test would not be a "diversion from the IIG kidney test" but something she can do during the time she waits for a reply from IIG ("the ball is in their hands now, so to speak").

For those who are wondering whether I should be revealing what she sent to me privately, I already told VFF that I would no longer consider any communications from her to be private.
 
A woman walked past in the hallway and I was sitting in class and the door was open, so I only saw her as she walked by. But the perception I had was instantaneous and clear.
And of course she'd never agree to a test protocol that tested this claimed ability. (Have her sit in a room, have 10 women walk by the open door at intervals of say 1 minute each--"instantaneous". 5 of the women would have diaphragms and 5 not, and the roll of a 10 sided die determines the sequence. VFF has a sheet of paper numbered 1 through 10, and on each one she writes down "Yes" or "No"--the "Yes" meaning "has a diaphragm" and the "No" meaning does not. If she doesn't get all 10 right, she will admit that she doesn't have this claimed ability.) Instead, she'd want the women to be in the same room with her and sit for 15 minutes (or an hour or whatever).
 
To make the test easier the women could use Tampax, she should be able to see that just as well or better. :blush:
 
Here we go again..... :catfight:
UY... cant you take your time and stop John Edward or someone who is expanding the woo, I really think all this is just giving too much attention, it'll never end!
 
Here we go again..... :catfight:
UY... cant you take your time and stop John Edward or someone who is expanding the woo, I really think all this is just giving too much attention, it'll never end!

1) John Edward doesn't send me Skype messages.

2) I happen to think that if somebody put their efforts towards discrediting John Edward before he had a chance to perfect his act, you probably never would have heard of him.

3) Whether VFF wants attention or not is immaterial to whether that attention discredits her or not. If the migraine group she contacted happens to stop by here in their research and sees that the person who contacted them about "healing" also thinks she can detect diaphragms in the vagina, I think that's a good thing.

4) Your response really has nothing to do with the subject of my post.

5) Nobody is stopping you from going after John Edward.
 
Oh good god. Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse she comes up with this.

UY, you have a hell of a lot more patience than I do. I'm duly impressed.
 
Seems like an easy enough test to perform. So it will never happen.
 
I initially interpreted that "diaphragm" in horror as being her thoracic diaphragm.... and in her vagina :eek: but having picked myself up off the floor and realizing my error, have come to pretty much the same conclusion as NoZed Avenger. When does it stop? Can she detect a build-up of earwax? Or the sandwich I had for lunch? Beef or ham?? Mayo or mustard?? White bread or brown?
 
I initially interpreted that "diaphragm" in horror as being her thoracic diaphragm.... and in her vagina :eek: but having picked myself up off the floor and realizing my error, have come to pretty much the same conclusion as NoZed Avenger. When does it stop? Can she detect a build-up of earwax? Or the sandwich I had for lunch? Beef or ham?? Mayo or mustard?? White bread or brown?

Time will tell. :D
 
and that card is a small questionnaire that simply asks for her age group and whether she is using a diaphragm. "

Obviously she would have to set it up a little better than that.

One thing is asking about anti conception devices (as in what kind do you use ...multiple choice). But what is important for Vff is to know if someone is wearing a diaphragm at that moment not if they use it in general. A bit personal but whatever.
 
Touche!
OK I will just avoid the VFF threads...they all read the same and I'm sure you know what youre doing
 
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If this person is claiming to see a foreign object within the body of a person, there should be a less icky test. (Yes, I know "icky" isn't scientific) Pace makers, titanium bone implants and breast augmentation leap to mind.

Or perhaps, given the previous threads, VFF is trying to come up with something too difficult. Getting volunteers for this one might be problematic. Then she gets to say that the JREF "wouldn't" test her.
 
Because women will be walking around wearing a diaphragm just in case? I mean, I'm not a woman or anything, and I don't really know the (pun intended) ins and outs of using a diaphragm. But from my understanding, it is to be inserted shortly before having sex, and would generally be removed shortly after? Doesn't it generally entail the use of contraceptive jelly? Isn't there a sort of time limit on its effectiveness for a particular, uh, session?

Hey, Anita, if you're reading this...

Feel free to apply skepticism and call me a liar and a fraud.


You are, without a shred of a doubt, a liar and a fraud.
 
Wearing a diaphragm longer then the recommended time increases the risk of toxic shock syndrome. I'll have to go research the time but that may have a bearing on the test (yes I know, there will probably never be a test.)

ETA:

In rare cases, women have developed toxic shock syndrome after leaving a diaphragm or a cervical cap in too long. You should keep a diaphragm in for no more than six hours after sex; don't leave it in longer than 24 hours even if you have sex again.

https://www.caremark.com/wps/portal/HEALTH_RESOURCES?topic=tss
 
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Wearing a diaphragm longer then the recommended time increases the risk of toxic shock syndrome. I'll have to go research the time but that may have a bearing on the test (yes I know, there will probably never be a test.)

ETA:

In rare cases, women have developed toxic shock syndrome after leaving a diaphragm or a cervical cap in too long. You should keep a diaphragm in for no more than six hours after sex; don't leave it in longer than 24 hours even if you have sex again.

https://www.caremark.com/wps/portal/HEALTH_RESOURCES?topic=tss

Well, it has to be noted that they aren't the most comfortable device to use. And, you know, they're not contact lenses, Anita. Women don't generally include their diaphragm in their morning routine and then waltz through their day in the hope they might get lucky at some point.

Plus, and I'm sure I'm not the only woman to feel this way - to be asked by a complete stranger, for no legitimate reason, if a) I use a diaphragm; and b) if the device is currently in place, would be a tad out of line.
 
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This is another classic for VFF. We all know she has no intention of doing any test - ever. She never will. She will just keep suggesting more strange and absurd tests while ignoring the simple ones because she doesn't want the tests to actually ever occur.
 
Frightening stuff.
Not the diaphragm but the ongoing ploys for attention.
 
I'd like to know how she's going to verify if the victim is telling the truth about whether or not a diaphram is being currently employed.

Thank FSM I'm not eligible to be part of this "study"!
*shudder*
 

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