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I had the swine flu and its not as bad as regular fluu.

Dymanic said:
So you give the benefit of the doubt, err on the side of caution, and a bunch of people who had some variety of creeping crud other than influenza also don't come in and spread that around. Is the price of that policy really so grevious?
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Also, the exact number of cases isn't so important anymore.

Again, according to the CDC (my bolding):

Why did CDC discontinue reporting of individual cases?
Individual case counts were used in the early stages of the outbreak to track the spread of disease. As novel H1N1 flu became more widespread, individual case counts became an increasingly inaccurate representation of the true burden of disease. This is because many people likely became mildly ill with novel H1N1 flu and never sought treatment; many people may have sought and received treatment but were never officially tested or diagnosed; and as the outbreak intensified, in some cases, testing was limited to only hospitalized patients. That means that the official case count represented only a fraction of the true burden of novel H1N1 flu illness in the United States. CDC recognized early in the outbreak that once disease was widespread, it would be more valuable to transition to standard surveillance systems to monitor illness, hospitalizations and deaths. CDC discontinued official reporting of individual cases on July 24, 2009. For more information about how CDC is monitoring novel H1N1 flu, visit “H1N1 Monitoring Q &A” at http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/reportingqa.htm.
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I am a public school teacher, and we usually get our flu vaccinations at school around the beginning to middle of October. I suspect we'll be getting a shipment of H1N1 vaccine along with the normal one... I plan to get both shots.
 
We have begun regular flu vaccinations. H1N1 is delayed and will hopefully be available within 1-2month.
 
I had swine flu earlier this summer, it wasn't as bad as regular flu, but I did get bronchitis afterwords (caused a minor outbreak of it actually).
 
They just are treating any flu like sympoms as probable swine flu now. Just like people with head colds claim they have flu every winter. How they can adequately track or number it is mind boggling. My nephew got the tamiflu...I dont even think he had much of any illness at all personally. Yet he's on the statistics for swineflu? (I should explain he had a bit of a night cough, was eating ok, and had a couple of cans of beer...and can be a bit hypochondriac at times.)
 
shandyjan said:
They just are treating any flu like sympoms as probable swine flu now. Just like people with head colds claim they have flu every winter. How they can adequately track or number it is mind boggling. My nephew got the tamiflu...I dont even think he had much of any illness at all personally. Yet he's on the statistics for swineflu? (I should explain he had a bit of a night cough, was eating ok, and had a couple of cans of beer...and can be a bit hypochondriac at times.)
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See my post with the CDC quote above. At this point, tracking specific cases doesn't matter.
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Meanwhile, the presidential advisory panel just released a report on how bad this could be.

The problem, they say, is that the number of cases is likely to increase dramatically soon after school starts (like next week or so), and reach its peak just about the time the first round of vaccine is available (and it takes a couple of weeks after getting the vaccine to develop immunity). They're saying if this timing issue happens this way, 30%-50% of Americans could be infected, we'd overwhelm ICUs and there could be some 90,000 deaths (remember, the regular flu kills 20,000-40,000 per year).

Linky.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Ok my mother does church work at a trailor park with illegal immigrant Mexicans. She caught the flu and I caught it from her. We have both recovered. The symptoms are low grade fever and coughing up massive amounts of phlem. It lasted six days but overall its not as bad as the regular seasonal flu. Lots of water, asperin and bed rest was all it took to get through this disease.
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coughing up phlegm? big deal.

i do that yearly from bronchitis.

I am not scared of da piggy flu.

oink oink.

:p
 
The sswine flu is not that bad. The bad thing about is the secondary infections that you pick up if you give in to the inherent urge to have sex in the mud. ;)
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
They're saying if this timing issue happens this way, 30%-50% of Americans could be infected, we'd overwhelm ICUs and there could be some 90,000 deaths (remember, the regular flu kills 20,000-40,000 per year).

Linky.
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$50 says no major outbreak occurs. just your normal seasonal flu numbers..or maybe a little more..but nothing major.
 
Dymanic said:
So you give the benefit of the doubt, err on the side of caution, and a bunch of people who had some variety of creeping crud other than influenza also don't come in and spread that around. Is the price of that policy really so grevious?
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Not at all, but it makes me less inclined to automatically believe anyone that claims they have flu.

If inaccurate statistics is the price to pay to avoid a major outbreak, I say let's pay.
 
Cainkane1 said:
No but the Doctor said it was the flu because several other people had come in with this disease. it felt like regular flu and the fever and coughing up of phlegm was a symptom of swine flu. Also the disease was traced back to the Mexican immigrant trailor park.
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These days you are more likely to get the swine flu in the United States than in Mexico. I'm currently in Mexico and have been for over a month. Nobody I know has caught it so far.

I really doubt the connection.
 
PogoPedant said:
The latest news from Norway is that roughly nine out of ten cases of H1N1, isn't a case of H1N1. This based on analysis of samples taken in Norway.

We've also gotten to the point where, if you suspect you have the flu, you call your doctor and get seven days of sick-leave without the doctor actually seeing you. This probably means that a lot of common colds and hokey-cold is reported as the flu without any tests or analysis.
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I got a nasty cold last week, went to the doctor, he immediately isolated me, then gave me some sort of antigen test (took some sample, put it in a bottle with some stick). result : plain old cold. not flu. I personally would rather have it now, when the hospital are not overwhelmed by panicked people rather than later this winter. Too bad it was jsut a plain old nasty cold with high fever :P.
 
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JoeTheJuggler said:
They're saying if this timing issue happens this way, 30%-50% of Americans could be infected, we'd overwhelm ICUs and there could be some 90,000 deaths (remember, the regular flu kills 20,000-40,000 per year).
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Ah, 'could', the magic word for newspapers and television media. How could they survive without it? It's like 'potential', or 'possibly'.

It wasn't long ago that in the UK we were warned many millions 'could' die from BSE, and the WHO warned us that Avian Flu 'could' kill one in four Britons.

Yes, all those things 'could' happen. Avian Flu, for example, is a legitimate concern. However, Al Qaeda 'could' launch an attack on Saturday that slaughters 6,000 Americans, and it 'might' cause another war in the Middle East. I might get killed by this virus, but then again, I might get killed in a car accident, a very likely possibility if one looks at the statistics. Yet we don't live our lives by 'mights' or 'coulds'.

I remember reading that worse case scenario for London, let alone the rest of the UK, was 3.5 Million infected with 96,000 dead. A few months later worse case scenario nationwide was 'only' 65,000, a number that has been seen by many as extremely unlikely.

And why do we worry about H1N1? Because it is a virus that affects the middle class, western type, the one who is likely to be in contact with people who have just been on holiday to exotic places like Mexico, or is likely to travel there themselves. Meanwhile, over a million die from malaria every year worldwide, and an incredibly virulent and remarkably deadly pandemic claims 2 Million lives worldwide every year: AIDS. Unlike Flu, there is no cure. Cases rise with every passing year.

In the 1999-2001 winter, 21,000 Britons died of seasonal flu. Put that in comparison to deaths from regular flu in the UK, which is 4,000. If new deaths had been reported daily on the news throughout that winter, people would be absolutely hysterical.
 
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Undesired Walrus said:
And why do we worry about H1N1? Because it is a virus that affects the middle class, western type, the one who is likely to be in contact with people who have just been on holiday to exotic places like Mexico, or is likely to travel there themselves.
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Being just that type, I think I will go hysterical with worry now!
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
See my post with the CDC quote above. At this point, tracking specific cases doesn't matter.
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Meanwhile, the presidential advisory panel just released a report on how bad this could be.

The problem, they say, is that the number of cases is likely to increase dramatically soon after school starts (like next week or so), and reach its peak just about the time the first round of vaccine is available (and it takes a couple of weeks after getting the vaccine to develop immunity). They're saying if this timing issue happens this way, 30%-50% of Americans could be infected, we'd overwhelm ICUs and there could be some 90,000 deaths (remember, the regular flu kills 20,000-40,000 per year).

Linky.
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This is all just a conspiracy by Obama to institute socialism!!!11!!11

;)
 
I was working down in Mexico when the whole panic got started. I did not catch the flu. Nobody I knew down there got it.

Since neither I nor anybody I knew got sick, it does not exist.

I love anecdote based reasoning when it allows my mind to rest easier.

What? Anecdotes don't count? Let me tell you a story about a guy that did not believe in anecdotes......
 
Doubt said:
I was working down in Mexico when the whole panic got started. I did not catch the flu. Nobody I knew down there got it.

Since neither I nor anybody I knew got sick, it does not exist.

I love anecdote based reasoning when it allows my mind to rest easier.

What? Anecdotes don't count? Let me tell you a story about a guy that did not believe in anecdotes......
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Nice strawman. Look up statistics on the swine flu in Mexico and the United States and get back to me.
 
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