Merged [Ed] Convicted Lockerbie bomber released

I heard a radio news bulletin stating that the Presiding Officer had been approached with regard to recalling parliament to debate the issue before the decision was taken, but it had been decided that this was unnecessary. Did you hear that? I don't think I'm hallucinating. I'd be grateful if you happen to know of an online news report that mentions it.

Rolfe.
 
I think you have missed my point GlennB. That the Justice Minister should make the decision in accord with the law and on the basis of all the relevant facts is the process. For other politicians to comment on what they believe that decision should be before it is taken is an attempt to influence without all the relevant facts. And that is inappropriate


Indeed I did. I took your reference to 'politicians ... interfere' as referring to the person responsible for the release decision, which was hasty. Apologies.
 
You may be right. However, I can't agree that it is appropriate to stay silent about something you believe will damage the country, and then launch vitriolic criticism after the decision is made when you have access to no more facts than you did previously.

Rolfe.

Ah, but here the opposition get to see a correct decision going through while retaining the option to occupy the moral high ground in order to launch an attack. What politician could resist such a juicy morsel?
 
Is there any real info on this document that was refused release? What does it pertain to?
 
I heard a radio news bulletin stating that the Presiding Officer had been approached with regard to recalling parliament to debate the issue before the decision was taken, but it had been decided that this was unnecessary. Did you hear that? I don't think I'm hallucinating. I'd be grateful if you happen to know of an online news report that mentions it.

Rolfe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/aug/17/lockerbie-bomber

That is all I could find - dated the 17th
 
Ah, but here the opposition get to see a correct decision going through while retaining the option to occupy the moral high ground in order to launch an attack. What politician could resist such a juicy morsel?


:D My thoughts exactly! If nothing is said beforehand, the option is retained to go for the jugular no matter what the decision turns out to be.

We know that the Labour party was rather keen to get Megrahi back to Libya, and would have done so under the prisoner transfer agreement they negotiated in 2007 if they'd been able to (despite that being a clear breach of the agreement with the USA, and Megrahi being apparently in perfect health at that time). I think we can guess which decision they favoured from that knowledge.

By saying nothing, however, they left the opportunity open to attack the decision once it was made, even though everything points to their having been in favour of it.

They also left open the opportunity to attack the contrary decision, if that had been the outcome. In that case it's likely the affair wouldn't even have registered in the USA, and Labour politicians would have been free to shout about how this disgraceful decision, quite apart from keeping a dying man locked up and consuming expensive custodial and healthcare resources to no purpose, had fatally damaged BP's oil interests and the UK's trading relations with Libya. And probably nobody in the USA would even have norticed.

They've even managed to spin it as if it was the Scottish government which was involved in the trade negotiations, and favoured release for that reason, even though that move was actually blocked by Alex Salmond in 2007.

Neat bit of politics, I grant you, but no reason why we shoudln't see straight through it.

Rolfe.
 
Is there any real info on this document that was refused release? What does it pertain to?


Nobody knows anything for sure. There has been an enormous amount of to-and-fro about it, with persistent blocking by the Crown, and judicial reviews and so on. The court ordered that the document should be produced, but that hasn't happened so far.

I imagine Megrahi's defence team know what they think it contains, and presumably the fact that the court ordered its production backs up their contention that it is favourable to their case.

However, all we've actually been told is that the Crown opposes its production on the grounds that revealing the contents "would be harmful to our relations with a foreign power".

Rolfe.
 
Perhaps because it is not right for politicians to interfere in legal processes?
Then Bill Clinton needs to send those two reporters back to North Korea to serve out the remainder of their terms, and Senator Webb needs to send that Whack Job back to Burma to finish his term.

But that isn't right, of course. :rolleyes:

In other news, Robert Madoff will surely be sent to Lybia, since he too is terminally ill and dying in prison. :cool:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32538889/ns/business-us_business

I hope he likes the food there.

DR
 
That isnt what I am arguing.
I am pointing out that the decisions made in the US by judiciary arent comparable with a politician making them in Scotland.
MacAskill had to make the decision, he just chose the wrong one in my opinion.

Fixed that for you.

;)
 
Fixed that for you.

;)

In the opinion of the vast majority of the familes of the victims too.
Bear in mind that if you mess with my posts, I might start behaving as childishly as certain other posters here, and report you.
 
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Do the sums.

Can't - unknowns are too big. I can't assume all the UK and other countries relatives support the decision although I haven't seen an anti from them yet and I have only seen about three comments from US relatives. They were against the decision but I have read that there are some US relatives who are unconvinced that it was Libya. Consequently, I can't assume they are all against the decision either.
 
I hope you dont work in the Whisky industry or in tourism.
Times are going to be tough.
You can thank Kenny for that.

Hmmmm. Selective Moral Outrage PLC strikes again.

Harbouring terrorists didn't seem to affect Boston or New Yorks tourist trade too badly. Oh but sorry I forgot. This only works one way. Its terrible of Scotland to imprison and then release a mass murderer on compassionate grounds. If the USA wants to let IRA members swan about in the North East with the collusion of American politicians well...shhh it didn't happen..

Got ya
 
If the USA wants to let IRA members swan about in the North East with the collusion of American politicians well...shhh it didn't happen..

Evidence?
Which politicians?
Give some names.
 
That isnt what I am arguing.
I am pointing out that the decisions made in the US by judiciary arent comparable with a politician making them in Scotland.
MacAskill had to make the decision, he just chose the wrong one.

Who pardoned Richard Nixon? The judiciary or a politician?
 
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Who pardoned Richard Nixon

Arent we the skippy one??

What has a presidential pardon for Nixon, got to do with what I asked you?

You mentioned that US politicians had made decisions regarding IRA members extradition claims and tried to tie this to the release of Magrahi by a Scottish politician?
I explained to you that those decisions were made by the judiciary in the US, not by politicians.

Try to focus on the subject at hand .
 

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