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Chandler's new video, 8/20/09

How they can talk about alleged effects of massive explosives yet not have any massive explosion sounds is beyond me.
 
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Heiwa said:
LOL!
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And that is funny why?

Truthers always point to what is clearly aluminum cladding as it wafts in the wind as if its chunks of heavy steel being ejected upwards. That gets a LOL from me certainly.
 
That was to Tom

tfk said:
David,


PS. Yeah, I know exactly how patronizing all of the above sounds. You need to hear it.

PPS. Is there any chance of seeing your raw data on your WTC7 collapse video analysis?
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(My previous post wasn't clear who I was responding to, so I'll say it again.)

The videos are out there; the tools are free (I recommend Tracker from Open Source Physics); it's really not that hard to do. [IMHO you should] Do it yourself.
 
davidschandler48 said:
(My previous post wasn't clear who I was responding to, so I'll say it again.)

The videos are out there; the tools are free (I recommend Tracker from Open Source Physics); it's really not that hard to do. [IMHO you should] Do it yourself.
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David,

This is childish nonsense.

If one of your students handed in a paper, and you asked him for his raw data, and he said, "get the software & figure it out yourself", what the hell would be your response?

I'm not interested in doing it myself. I KNOW what's going on.

I'd like to see your data to see if your conclusions are justified or not.

Meanwhile, a simple discussion about your new video seems to be a reasonable request. You've claimed that there are some "inexplicable" things going on that you suggest undermine the NIST findings.

People out there are believing your nonsense.

Do you really feel NO responsibility to check to make sure that you are not misleading a whole bunch of kids?

Have you become THAT callous?

tom
 
davidschandler48 said:
The videos are available; the tools are free; it's not that hard. Do it yourself.
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Are you saying tfk has to make his own video in order to respond to your video?

He has been kind enough to point out in detail where you've made errors, and yet you expect him to be your trained monkey?
 
What he calls the top section falling out is actually where the perimeter columns below the impact floors are being pushed out by the descending top section.



Go to 5:15 in that compilation of South Tower collapse videos. Watch for a minute or so, and again and again you'll see the jagged edges of the perimeter columns being pushed out, not the smooth top edge of the upper section. The upper section is falling down into the building, ripping the floors apart and pushing the perimeter column walls out.

Also at 4:40, a video shows debris bouncing off of buildings in the lower left corner. Wait for the camera to drop down. This is NOT the piece of debris Chandler is talking about in his last point. But the behavior of a lot of debris is the same.

The best angle for catching that particular piece of debris is the clip beginning at 3:49. However, at just the moment you might catch it, the cameraman started running back or something. The video is motion-corrected, but it doesn't help so much. By the time the cameraman steadies the camera again, the moment is gone... unless you can see it at 4:07 precisely. I don't think that's it, though. Something is bouncing back, though.

And "rocket projectile"? Chandler, don't make me pull out laughing dogs.
 
It is rather interesting how far into the twoof movement David Chandler has gone.

He showed the exact data to help further expand the basic premise that NIST outlined in their draft report, and they added in his assessment into the final draft.

Instead of being complimented that he helped further the knowledge, he has gone off the rails.

It is rather amazing. WE have seen several times over a very childish and thin skinned attitude towards simple and civil requests.

I personally want to know why he dropped out of the Hardfire debate with Ryan Mackey that is supposed to be upcoming. I doubt he will tell us since he is acting like a teenager with a tooth ache.

David a simple question. You are claiming that there was demolitions.

Where are the videos where you can hear the CD charges going off?

OR

if it is thermite, how can you claim it was used as an explosive (since thermite doesn't explode)?

Your first video was very informative, and helped further NIST's analysis, and since then you have gone further and further off the rails.
 
tfk said:
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David,

This is childish nonsense.

If one of your students handed in a paper, and you asked him for his raw data, and he said, "get the software & figure it out yourself", what the hell would be your response?

I'm not interested in doing it myself. I KNOW what's going on.

I'd like to see your data to see if your conclusions are justified or not.

Meanwhile, a simple discussion about your new video seems to be a reasonable request. You've claimed that there are some "inexplicable" things going on that you suggest undermine the NIST findings.

People out there are believing your nonsense.

Do you really feel NO responsibility to check to make sure that you are not misleading a whole bunch of kids?

Have you become THAT callous?

tom
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If I understand tfk correctly the WTC 2 upper part is supposed to drop down on lower part and to start compacting lower part into a compressed rubble part, that in turn will completely destroy the lower part! Is that correct? I thought you, tfk, were supposed to produce a theory about upper part compacting/compressing rubble? Or is that nonsense?
 
Heiwa said:
If I understand tfk correctly the WTC 2 upper part is supposed to drop down on lower part and to start compacting lower part into a compressed rubble part, that in turn will completely destroy the lower part! Is that correct? I thought you, tfk, were supposed to produce a theory about upper part compacting/compressing rubble? Or is that nonsense?
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Wow.

The person who gets all whiny about others derailing thread topics...

How, uh, informative.


Tom
 
I think Leprachauns carried out 9/11.

Proof? Well they are out there, go find them yourself.

TAM:)
 
TruthersLie said:
I personally want to know why he dropped out of the Hardfire debate with Ryan Mackey that is supposed to be upcoming. I doubt he will tell us since he is acting like a teenager with a tooth ache.
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We're inviting him back, no decision is yet final.

If he does join the debate, I have a number of observations about his video that haven't been raised here yet. I'll sit on that until I know his decision.
 
R.Mackey said:
We're inviting him back, no decision is yet final.

If he does join the debate, I have a number of observations about his video that haven't been raised here yet. I'll sit on that until I know his decision.
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You have a number of observations? Come on, don't be shy! Let's see them!
 
What is that object that shoots out horizontally and then descends by taking a sharp right angle downwards ? Is it a beam ?
 
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leftysergeant said:
I answered that above. It is a strip of aluminum cladding. Pay attention.
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I don't think it was anything long because if it was then it would have been travelling out like a spear. When it went into the instant transition to a downwards trajectory the trail would have been much wider.
 
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