Toronto 9/11 truth update - the insanity continues

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Hello everyone! :D

Been a while since I posted here and I see little has changed with our pals in the TM: their numbers continue to dwindle, Steven Jones is still peddling his fraud in the Bentham and....well that's about it.

Here in Toronto things are getting even funnier on the truth front. I've been a member of my Toronto truth chapter for a few years now and get to read their hilarious e-mail list (I can't tell you how hard it is to not respond sometimes, since that would blow my cover).

Anyway....In July they changed their name to "Toronto Truthseekers" on meetup. That way they could include chemtrails, vaccines, NAU, global warming, weather modification and a host of other things in addition to 9/11.

They're still doing their weekend "street actions" downtown, and attendance has been low to say the least; always the same diehard folks, generally in the range of 3-6 people - sometimes not even that.

Here's group leader "Black Krishna" (real name Vijay) after their July 19 event:

Black Krishna said:
I lugged a table, megaphone and bag of 5000 flyers to dundas square by 1:30 pm. then i waited until 3:30 pm to set-up because nobody else was there.
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:rolleyes: Bummer

Lately the group's e-mail list has seen more infighting than a Somali tribal conference due to endless conflicts over strategy, claims and the growing insanity of member like Victor Fletcher (who endlessly rants about the "Zionist" plots against him), "Glenn" (a 40 year old who was expelled from the group due to his bizarre public gestures towards teenage girls) and Black Krishna (BK), whose decent into madness has become especially comical.

BK raised a few eyebrows when he told fellow members that police crowd control methods at local street festivals are part of practice drills for the day when the NWO rounds us all up into camps. :eek:

Then on August 4, author and journalist Eric Margolis gave a talk at the Gladstone Hotel, hosted by anti-war group "Real News." BK and several other truthers showed up and here is some of what BK had to say about it afterwards (my emphasis):

Black Krishna[COLOR=black said:
]the place was 20 - 50% spooks, kind of like a training session, but open to the public…....there were even fake conspiracy theorists there to yell crazy things to make sure mainstream liberals continue to think "truthers" are crazy, and perhaps worse, annoying as hell…....when a guy yelled a standard "the rothschilds!" line with a little puffed-up outrage i nearly cracked up. he smiled back at me with a bit more of a knowing smile than you'd expect. then he left. we're both in the game…....no worries, we have a professional relationship with the spooks at this point….it was interesting, but my guess is "the real news" is a real CSIS operation.[/color]
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This prompted several members to reply:

Don Chisholm said:
Got to say Vijay; That's quite a skill you have there being able to point out agents in a crowd like that and to determine that the the whole setup was put on by CISIS. The conspiracy grows
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Don Draper said:
Are you suggesting that the government dispatched tons of spooks to an Eric Margolis appearance that 99.9% of Toronto didn't even know was going on?.....Frankly BK, your remarks were so absurd and your attempts to defend them so non-existent that if I were so paranoid as to accuse people of being agents you'd be candidate #1.
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And then, after accusing a crowd of people of being "agents" with no proof, BK then had the gall to write this:

Black Krishna said:
the fact that many truthers don't trust other truthers supposedly telling the truth is a crippling paradox that would make any social circle look like a joke to others, so it's important for us to bond socially to build the trust and relationships that we can use to act.
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:eek:

After this produced more howls of outrage over such laughable hypocracy, BK was joined by Victor Fletcher, and Chris ("shivvy")in denouncing all group critics as "agents" working for the enemy.

In the end a few people quit and at least one person was tossed out of the group. Sigh.....

Oh and the best part? BK also anncouced that he's going to run for Mayor of Toronto!!! Can't wait for that.

For those wanting to see this moron in action, here he is getting told off by a local anti-war group.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlMFIsr46Y

Yes, that video was posted by the truthers.
 
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CHF said:
Hello everyone! :D
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good stuff
lots o lols

the video is great
"19 islams attacked us" "they didnt attack us" "o yeah the americans"
he doesnt even know what country he is in lmao
 
CHF said:
Hello everyone! :D

Been a while since I posted here and I see little has changed with our pals in the TM: their numbers continue to dwindle, Steven Jones is still peddling his fraud in the Bentham and....well that's about it.

Here in Toronto things are getting even funnier on the truth front. I've been a member of my Toronto truth chapter for a few years now and get to read their hilarious e-mail list (I can't tell you how hard it is to not respond sometimes, since that would blow my cover).

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Yes, that video was posted by the truthers.
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Wow. It actually heartens me to realize that these idiots represent 9/11 'Truth'. It demonstrates just how superficial and ignorant the movement is.

Likewise on the JREF 9/11 conspiracy forums, the best they've got is Heiwa and bill smith!!!:jaw-dropp
Yep, this is a movement in deep trouble, folks. Let's keep it that way!
 
Is there any chance we could get some of these email exchanges for humor value? :)

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Is there any chance we could get some of these email exchanges for humor value? :)

McHrozni
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A lot of it is just mindless babble that is of no interest to anyone, so I tried to give you the best parts.

If you want a live feed of their insanity, I would suggest signing up to the group. Checking one's e-mail account in the is like reading the morning funnies in the paper, only better.

BK really is a true believer and he loves to type long messages about the great struggle he and his friends are fighting. He's the kind of person who literally sees conspiracies EVERYWHERE.

Victor Fletcher, meanwhile, is a tad scary the way he somehow works the "Zionists" into every issue.
 
alienentity said:
Wow. It actually heartens me to realize that these idiots represent 9/11 'Truth'. It demonstrates just how superficial and ignorant the movement is.
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Back in 2007 I actually showed up at a couple of their "street actions" in order to debate/make fun of them (one encounter was filmed by them but never uploaded for some reason....).

But since then their attendance has dwindled from about a dozen down to 1-6, the younger truthers have grown up and moved on (or found girlfriends?), and the group has become more and more dominated by a handful of raving lunatics who scared everyone else way.

The group really has become a microcism of the TM as a whole. It peaked in late 2006-early 2007 and has been crashing faster than free fall speed since then as a result of its own insanity and failure to achieve anything of value.

I actually suggested to them in June 2007 that they contact the engineering departments of local universities in order to enlist their support. They agreed it was a good idea and yet none of them have lifted a finger. It's all about keeping the fantasy alive.

At this point there's nothing to do except laugh.
 
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ahhh its refreshing to know that although I live in Ontario these characters live 1000 miles from my town.

Now the Winnipeg TM is too close...................

oh, Eric Margolis, from "W5" ?
 
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I don't know about y'all..but at the end of the video, I wanted to buy the older anti-war protester a beer..or even several. I love seeing common sense just pummel insanity.

So many great lines... "After 6 years you've convinced exactly no one" "Your a loser" and "F off".

Kinda creepy how fast old Tupac talks...betcha 100 bucks he's under some sort of psychiatric care.
 
One of things that's been weighing on me is the future of these guys. What will these 911 Truth Twits be doing in 10 years? But I just went through a whole bunch of videos produced by local Truth organizations showing their 5 man demonstrations and fights with legitimate anti-war groups. The answer is clear. For those who are left in 10 years, in 20, they'll still be on Youtube claiming the evidence is overwhelming, bazillions of engineers believe it, and only the few remaining debunkers deny this.

The guys I saw on these videos are loonies. They are absolutely nuts. I doubt anyone would hire them for a job. I'm no psychiatrist or clinical psychologist, but I did volunteer work with mentally ill adults for many years. It seems that most of those left have some sort of compulsive disorder.
 
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When it comes to Victor Fletcher, anti-semestism and astrology are just scratching the surface. He's also into chemtrails.

He's a conspiracy nut who propagandizes his views through his paper "Toronto Street News". It's distributed by homeless people. Yes, he actually exploits homeless people to spread his views.

He rants so much about the Zionist conspiracies that I fully expect him to be a holocaust denier.

The national Post article on him is amusing:

Victor Fletcher is dying of cancer. He has only a matter of months to live.

"I'm just going to let it develop. I'm just tired of living. I'm so depressed," he said. "I wish I didn't know what I know... I'm disgusted with the world, you know? I don't want to go through operations and stuff. I've done my thing in this life. That's it. Goodbye. Goodbye, Charlie."

He said he has read about cancer of the bowel on the Internet, and his symptoms seem to match it. He has not been to a doctor for a diagnosis. He does not trust them.
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A self diagnosis. Keep in mind that this was published in Aug. 2008.

Here's some more quotes from the mailing list. In response to this thread:

Hello Folks,

In my opinion...............don't let these guys get to you. My guess is that they are very jealous and envious, because Truth prevails when it's put out there, with good intention. Which is what you're doing. They'll fall away.

Peace & Light..............Marcia Walsh
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The usual propaganda from the same gang that has been bothering us. We must be so effective they have to launch campaigns everywhere! When the public sees these morons at work they will keep coming over to our side.

I wonder what it's like to be a paid disinfo agent and realize you're not dealing with reality?

They twist the fact that there were arguments in the group -- the arguments that were all about exposing themselves as disinfo agents. Someone has to be paid to do this bizarre and self-evident twisting.

-- Victor / Toronto Street News.
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I wish I were a paid disinfo agent! Then I wouldn't have to worry about the debt that uni's gotten me into.
 
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