Merged [Ed] Convicted Lockerbie bomber released

[Rolfe]

Oh well, can't embed this.

Here's the link.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articl...tics/was+a+lockerbie+bomber+deal+done/3317187
Go to "Oliver Miles Interview", second screen down.

This is an interview with the former ambassador to Libya, explaining how Tony Blair thought he could "deal with it all quite simply" by arranging for Megrahi to be returned under the prisoner transfer arrangement. I think Miles believes that it was the Westminster government who put the pressure on Megrahi to withdraw his appeal.

Rolfe.

 

[funk de fino]

Unpalatable but yes as it brought about a peace process.

You are a hypocrite then

What part of my second sentence did you not understand?
Here I will repeat it for you.
Get it yet?

Repeating irrellevancies to make you feel better about being a hypocrite is not woith a comment. Its OK for the UK govt to release terrorists early but not the SNP govt.

BS.
It was a decision motivated by oil deals and petty political posturing by the SNP.
What a disgrace to Scotland they are.

Prove it and then see about that chip on your shoulder. It's a nasty thing to witness.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

This compassion rule seems ill conceived. I think your system already shows more than enough compassion by not having a death penalty. Compassion to the prisoner and his family is also a slap in the face to the victims. I'm speaking generally here and not to this specific case because I don't know enough about it. But like I said last night Wolf was grilling your justice secretary. I haven't really seen him go after someone that hard before.

It may seem ill conceived to people who do not understand the new testament idea of forgiveness, turning the other cheek, helping the poor and other simple Christian sentiments like that however I hope that 'Wolf' was introduced to the clearly novel concept of compassion by our heroic justice secretary who should receive his man of the millennium trophy immediately.

PS

One 'Kenny' trumps ten 'Wolves' any time.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

Where was all that "compassion" when the Scottish system railroaded this poor slob?

you seem to think there is some doubt about his guilt. That being apparently the case why should he not be freed on compassionate grounds.

Shome unshertainty in your thesis shurely methinks.

 

[scissorhands]

Repeating irrellevancies to make you feel better about being a hypocrite is not woith a comment. Its OK for the UK govt to release terrorists early but not the SNP govt.

You still havent managed to work out why the two situations arent analagous?
Wow.
Try again.

 

[funk de fino]

Thanks, thats all I needed.
Less than a fifth of the victims.
Now how many of the 52 families does Jim Swire pretend to speak for?

Did the attack take place in the US and did they prosecute him and convict him?

 

[funk de fino]

You still havent managed to work out why the two situations arent analagous?
Wow.
Try again.

UK govt release convicted terrorist killers early.

Scots govt release 1 convicted terrorist killer early

You're right it is not the same. The UK govt were worse. Remind me who released Ronnie Biggs recently.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

...Salmond and co are class acts.

Yes they are.

Standing up to the US government has shown many other countries around the world the way to behave including, hopefully, the UK government for once.

 

[funk de fino]

Id say those commentators have hit the nail on the head there.

Then you would be wrong again The Scots need the US. They did not like Bush but Obama is another matter.

 

[scissorhands]

Did the attack take place in the US and did they prosecute him and convict him?

Why ask questions that you know the answer to?

You failed to answer my question above, again.
Explain how the two situations regarding release of terrorists are analagous?
Simple no?

I feel a serious SNP rear guard action taking place here and its not pretty.
Anything to absolve your party will do, at this stage.

 

[funk de fino]

HAHAHA.
Now you are reduced to rambling about political smears and spooks trying to defame your precious party!

Too funny.

No I havent posted anywhere under those names.

Take it to the CT section where it belongs.

You're the one making the CT claims about oil deals. (with no back up)

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

Lockerbie convict goes home to hero's welcome.


Any questions?

About what exactly? Compassion?

Unlike the US government apparently, the Scottish government knows it has no control over another sovereign country and luckily the Scottish government correctly rebuffed the US government's many sad attempts to get us to behave as inhumanely as them.

The Scotland government correctly followed Scottish law. Live with it, or not, as you wish, because there is nothing the US government can do to change it.

 

[funk de fino]

Why ask questions that you know the answer to?

Because you singlarly fail to display any ounce of understanding of simple points.

You failed to answer my question above, again.
Explain how the two situations regarding release of terrorists are analagous?
Simple no?

I feel a serious SNP rear guard action taking place here and its not pretty.
Anything to absolve your party will do, at this stage.

I already explained why they are analagous. The fact you cannot see it says more about your blind hate than it does me.

I will say it again

Two govts released terrorist killers early. Is that a fair assessment of what happened? If not why not?

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

Which is entirely irrelevant to my point.

Why?

Your turn.

 

[scissorhands]

Two govts released terrorist killers early. Is that a fair assessment of what happened? If not why not?

And what were the circumstances during the time of their release?
What was the reasoning behind the prisoner releases?
You will get there eventually.

 

[funk de fino]

And what were the circumstances during the time of their release?
What was the reasoning behind the prisoner releases?
You will get there eventually.

No I will not because there is no difference. Guilty men were released early by the politicians.

The reasons are moot. The fact is they were freed. You are a hypocrite.

Remind me again who releaseed Ronnie Biggs and why?

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

At least we are finding out how certain lefties in the UK really feel about the mass murder of Americans; No Big Deal.

This should be good.

What lefties exactly? The good ones or the evil ones? The light ones or the dark ones? Perhaps you mean the fat lefties (the particularly scary ones )or was that the thin ones? Perhaps you mean the left handed ones? Perhaps you will be so kind as to tell us all what exactly you do mean?

You might also tell us where is any of that supported by this thread?
I happen to notice that you failed to support your assertion with something akin to a fact. Not even one. Perhaps that is just what scary lefties do?

 

[Rolfe]

Megrahi looked a lot better getting off the plane, punching the air, then he did getting on.

I've seen the Tripoli footage in better closeup now, and apart from the short section where one of the welcoming party raises Megrahi's hand, he didn't do anything close to punching the air.

I don't know how you can say how he looked when he got on the plane, because he had his face covered. And if that's a "sharp suit" he had on when he got off (as another poster said) then I can only say sartorial standards have slipped in recent years.

I was quite shocked by the way he looked in these shots - we'd been shown stock shots that were probably eight years old, but even so.... It was just such a nasty reminder of my own cousin who died of the same disease some years ago. And then to see someone of my own age looking like that - not nice.

I don't know how I'd feel if this was Harold Shipman or Fred West or one of these people we know for sure were guilty. However, I've been aware there was a good chance Megrahi was framed since before Camp Zeist, and I can't watch any of that without thinking, what a terrible thing to happen to someone who isn't guilty, and that's exactly how it might be.

Rolfe.

 

[T.A.M.]

E.J.:

In large part I think I err on the side you argue for. As I said in my earlier post, I think what the Scottish govt did, is by the Christian standard, the thing to do...to show mercy where none was shown to thee.

That said, one has to understand the extreme anger, and need for revenge that is human nature, regardless of religious affiliation. I have no idea how I would react if I had lost someone due to this maniac, and now had to watch him not only freed, but arrive home to a "celebration".

I do think though, that there is a reason why laws should be made by civil, insightful men and women at a time when they are not clouded in thought by related events or their ties to them.

TAM

 

[scissorhands]

No I will not because there is no difference. Guilty men were released early by the politicians.

You have entered denial.
Its not hard to work out what the differences are between the two cases, a little bit of knowledge of the situation in NI and the situation re Libya would go a long way to helping you out.
This is becoming little different to debating with truthers.