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[CynicalSkeptic]

Business Plan:
1. Eliminate Tool Scam
2. ????
3. Profit.

 

[Tex2]

So you can't give me a breakdown of monthly and yearly business expenses that a direct would have? How do you know if direct would be profitable then? >>>> As I already said, this would vary, depending on circumstances. However, the FACT that overhead is decreased by about 96% means an IBO at a much lower level than a Platinum should expect a net profit.

How much does it cost to show a plan? >>>> See above. How many plans a month would you need to show to go direct in a timely manner? >>>> See above. What do you mean by a "timely manner?"

No business plan? >>>> See above. Are you sure this is a real business and not just some scam?

What part of the above is a scam? This is unchartered territory, but it is FAR more ethical and moral than the businesses YOU made money from with your programming efforts.

 

[Tex2]

Business Plan:
1. Eliminate Tool Scam
2. ????
3. Profit.

Would you like to SEE the marketing plan I have, which is Amway approved?

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

I think I'm going to create a MLM scam to market Kool-aid. Seems to be a lot of people drinking the MLM kool-aid. I'll make a million bucks. </sarcasm>

A.

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Would you like to SEE the marketing plan I have, which is Amway approved?

Not if I have to get on a conference call with you first.

 

[Tex2]

Not if I have to get on a conference call with you first.

I could certainly go through the slides, but I doubt you would get the full impact. Why are you so scared of a simple phone call? Were you not serious about your question marks, above? Are you totally insincere about your posts that we should ignore you?

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Yes Tex, I'm scared. I believe you have the power to turn my mind to mush over the phone and get me to buy into the Amway scam. I don't want that to happen, therefore I will not call you.

I'm afraid.

 

[Tex2]

Yes Tex, I'm scared. I believe you have the power to turn my mind to mush over the phone and get me to buy into the Amway scam. I don't want that to happen, therefore I will not call you.

I'm afraid.

I figured you to be a fairly weak person, thanks for confirming it for me. LOL

In the future, I wouldn't recommend you ask me any other questions, you merely expose your own weakness. LOL

 

[NewtonTrino]

I don't want to see the marketing plan, I want to see the BUSINESS plan.

You get the difference right? Or am I talking to a wall?

 

[Tex2]

I don't want to see the marketing plan, I want to see the BUSINESS plan.

You get the difference right? Or am I talking to a wall?

You don't think reducing the overhead by 96% has a HUGE influence on the business plan? I already told you, there are various variables for each IBO's business plan. I'm not going to write up every single comprehensible combination, especially with someone who refuses to recognize the facts.

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

In the future, I wouldn't recommend you ask me any other questions, you merely expose your own weakness. LOL

Thanks for that recommendation Tex, I'll take it into strong consideration before I post any more questions.

[...]


So Tex, how much money is your Amway IBO making after all expenses?

 

[NewtonTrino]

I don't think a written down theoretical direct business plan is too much to ask at all. If I was approached to invest in a business (which is what an amway pitch is) then I want to see the details of that business. I wouldn't get involved without seeing a comprehensive business plan with real expense and profit information based on similar numbers incurred by existing businesses or extrapolated by those with relevant experience. I want to see profitibility and expense information at all the different sizes, a cash flow chart, market surveys, estimates on the value of the company you are creating (this is a sellable willable business so you there should be a standard valuation metric) etc etc.

If you don't have a very comprehensive business plan already written down then... well I laugh at you just as I laugh at every other joker trying to sell businesses to other clueless people.

 

[Tex2]

Thanks for that recommendation Tex, I'll take it into strong consideration before I post any more questions.

[...]


So Tex, how much money is your Amway IBO making after all expenses?

Make a phone call to find out. LOL

 

[Tex2]

I don't think a written down theoretical direct business plan is too much to ask at all. If I was approached to invest in a business (which is what an amway pitch is) then I want to see the details of that business. I wouldn't get involved without seeing a comprehensive business plan with real expense and profit information based on similar numbers incurred by existing businesses or extrapolated by those with relevant experience. I want to see profitibility and expense information at all the different sizes, a cash flow chart, market surveys, estimates on the value of the company you are creating (this is a sellable willable business so you there should be a standard valuation metric) etc etc. >>>> If I was interested in approaching you, I would consider it. I'm not, so I won't. LOL

If you don't have a very comprehensive business plan already written down then... well I laugh at you just as I laugh at every other joker trying to sell businesses to other clueless people.

I'm not interested in your opinion. When I am, I'll ask. Don't hold your breath....LOL

 

[NewtonTrino]

Would you be telling me the same thing as a recruit? You would rather tell an experience businessman to go away instead of having him in your organization?

Oh, I forgot this isn't real it's just a scam. Real business questions need not be asked.

 

[Tex2]

Would you be telling me the same thing as a recruit? >>>> It depends how much I knew about the "recruit". If I knew the "recruit" wrote software to enable the tool scammers, made money off that effort, and showed little interest in fixing the situation, yes. You would rather tell an experience businessman to go away instead of having him in your organization? >>>> See above. It depends on what that experienced businessman's moral and ethical positions were.

Oh, I forgot this isn't real it's just a scam. Real business questions need not be asked.

You "forgot" to separate out the legitimate Amway business from the tool scam.

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Here's a line from the Merchants of Deception book after he figured out the tool scam was making his upline rich:

Perhaps if I gathered enough documentation and threatened to go public, Zack would return our business to the honorable status it once held. Incredibly, in my mind, I thought The Business as a whole was good and could be fixed.

Tex, you're 75% of the way out, keep pushing and you'll eventually break through.

 

[Porkchopjim]

I don't want to see the marketing plan, I want to see the BUSINESS plan.

You get the difference right? Or am I talking to a wall?

His 'business plan' is posted on the FTC site in the form of a letter to DeVos - the one he wrote saying he was going to save Amway and looking for support.

He even had it notarized as a form of 'copyright' so as to protect his valuable idea.

Think I'm making that up?

Go to ftc.gov. Search for 'kingpin'. You'll see his incoherent complaint with his letter to DeVos attached.

That's it. That's all. Loaned out tools and forcing Amway business owners - the 'big pins' - to train people who are not in their groups.

Oh - and when you return the loaned tool to Tex, you have to talk to him about what you listened to in order to get his valuable opinion on it.

So you're not going to get any more information out of him. He's sitting on a gold mine (or at least 10,000 used, useless tools, you decide).

I know, I know - I risk civil litigation by exposing that valuable copyrighted material. But, somehow, I sleep at night.

And - you aren't talking to a wall. Walls have the sense to be quiet.

 

[Tex2]

Here's a line from the Merchants of Deception book after he figured out the tool scam was making his upline rich:


Tex, you're 75% of the way out, keep pushing and you'll eventually break through.

That's because, without the tool scam, the Amway business is good, but needs to be fixed (eliminate the tool scam). LOL

 

[Almo]

Good luck overturning the FTC's decision that MLM is a legitimate business model. I'll bet you enjoy pissing into the wind, too, don't you? LOL

I never said MLM should be illegal. Jesus you're actually starting to piss me off. Just because it's a stupid way to conduct business doens't mean it should be illegal.

It's a pyramid scam with just enough product to be legal.