Amway TV ad

[Tex2]

Looks among the number of products they produce I'm sure some of them are good. >>>> And you're 0 for 2 so far. Keep swinging, but I suggest you take off your blindfold next time. LOL

Comparing makeup is pretty hard IMHO and makeup and vitamins are both areas that have a ton of overpriced margin built in. >>>> Makeup is best compared by the actual users, and we have a very strong and positive opinion from her. ALL products have a ton of margin built in. What planet are you from? LOL

I'm defintely not a fan of any of the soap products. >>>> As if we should care about your opinion.

And they are definitely overpriced. >>>> See price comparisons on qblog, recent price reductions, and stand by for more. You don't have a clue! LOL

All my opinion. I think the sales to NON IBO's show how popular the products are. Which is to say NOT popular with people who aren't IBO's. Whether that's the ordering method, quality, price or whatever.

Sales to non-IBOs show how much emphasis the LCKs place on selling Amway products to customers versus teaching the downline to spend their time and money on the tool scam instead. CLUELESS. LOL

 

[Skeptic]

The problem with the Amway "tools" is not merely that they're overpriced, it's that they are totally worthless -- being not much more than "keep doing what you're doing" or "only losers quit Amway" brainwashing or trivial "positive thinking" palaver.

Tex, apparently, is trying to sell them at what he considers to be a fair price, significantly lower than the ridiculous prices the "diamonds" & co. charge for them. That's certainly more honest, but the problem is, why would anybody want that worthless crap at any price?

No wonder Tex is stuck with them.

 

[Tex2]

The problem with the Amway "tools" is not merely that they're overpriced, it's that they are totally worthless -- being not much more than "keep doing what you're doing" or "only losers quit Amway" brainwashing or trivial "positive thinking" palaver. >>>> WRONG. If that was the only content on the tools, you would be right. It isn't, and you aren't. LOL

Tex, apparently, is trying to sell them at what he considers to be a fair price, significantly lower than the ridiculous prices the "diamonds" & co. charge for them. That's certainly more honest, but the problem is, why would anybody want that worthless crap at any price? >>>> WRONG AGAIN. I don't sell them at ANY price. I operate a "library" concept.

No wonder Tex is stuck with them.

No wonder you're clueless, you have no facts being put to use. LOL

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Tex2, why the LOL on every post?

From the book at this link.

I felt incredibly blessed to have someone this successful mentor me. Success was inevitable. No one was willing to work as hard as I would work! I was coached to laugh at people who told me this business did not work. Such critical people usually slaved away for an oppressive boss who controlled both their time and income. What morons! My entire perspective and fundamental beliefs had begun to change dramatically. Patty and I were thankful for having been enlightened and rescued from a lifetime of employment slavery. We were going to become wealthy and spend all day and every day together.

 

[Tex2]

Tex2, why the LOL on every post?

From the book at this link.

I probably know Eric better than you. I have talked with him on the phone several times. LOL

I LOL because you go off looking up laughing up "LOL" like a little puppet. LOL

Perhaps everyone who laughs at comedians are in a cult as well...LOL

 

[Porkchopjim]

Wow! It takes a special sort of Texie delusion to spend all that time confirming my assertions and then claim I'm a liar!

I know you're not smart enough realize that's what you did, but to bolster your standing as dim-witted, we have you provide to us:

You can not tell, in a simply written UK ruling, what the main complaint about 'tools' was. You can't even state what one primary complaint was.

You continue to confuse 'buying' with 'selling' and lump them together as one thing...which has provided you with your 'profit' confusion to date.

It's also refreshing to see you still lurk at Insider's site because you're not smart enough to find that information yourself.

Also, you were nice enough to confirm that you've blown at least $38K chasing the Amway dream and that you have no group. All things I knew, but I like to see you admit them every once in a while.

Seeing as the 'Directly Speaking' tapes were made in 1983, it's pretty clear that the 'tool scam' was known for more than 20 years. It's also pretty clear that DeVos didn't discover it himself. You did, of course, 22 years after 'Directly Speaking.' LOL!

In consideration for the other poor beings here that you've subjected your cult stupidity to, I'll provide direct quotes, not out of context, from your DeVos letter about 'saving Amway' and 'begging' on the FTC website:

Saving Amway:

“That is our gift to you, hope that this reform will wash over the business and clean it up while you are alive.”
Begging:

Begging:

“We are not looking for a ‘handout’, but whatever support you feel is appropriate would be welcomed.”

Obviously you wrote a letter to DeVos just to say 'hi' and not to tell him you were saving Amway and looking for support! LOL!


At least you're only wasting people's time here and not doing anything of consequence.

 

[Almo]

The upline makes FAR more from the tool scam,

This does not prevent MLM from making the markup on products too high to sell to people outside the pyramid.

 

[Tex2]

This does not prevent MLM from making the markup on products too high to sell to people outside the pyramid.

I didn't say it did. In fact, I've said several times the tool scam allowed Amway to become lazy on product pricing.

 

[Almo]

I didn't say it did. In fact, I've said several times the tool scam allowed Amway to become lazy on product pricing.

You said I'm concentrating on the wrong problem. I'm not. MLM is the problem.

 

[Tex2]

You said I'm concentrating on the wrong problem. I'm not. MLM is the problem.

Good luck overturning the FTC's decision that MLM is a legitimate business model. I'll bet you enjoy pissing into the wind, too, don't you? LOL

 

[NewtonTrino]

This thread is just degenerating into name calling. I'm getting pretty sick of being called clueless when I have quite a bit of experience in the subject.

Let's go back to basics Tex. Can you explain to use how once the tools scam is done away with how that will change amway? In what ways will it get easier to build and more profitable? You keep claiming this but you never explain the mechanism for it...

 

[Tex2]

This thread is just degenerating into name calling. I'm getting pretty sick of being called clueless when I have quite a bit of experience in the subject. >>>> Experience does not equal insight.

Let's go back to basics Tex. Can you explain to use how once the tools scam is done away with how that will change amway? In what ways will it get easier to build and more profitable? You keep claiming this but you never explain the mechanism for it...

Doing away with the tool scam allows an IBO to be profitable at a MUCH lower PV/BV level, which increases retention, reputation, and provides an incentive to make money via retail. It will become LESS profitable for the LCKs, because they will no longer be making tool scam profits. This is simple stuff, I would think someone with your EXPERIENCE would already know this. LOL

 

[NewtonTrino]

If this is the case how did the tool scam get started? Why would someone start it if "regular" amway was more profitable?

How much would a direct make under your scheme in actual profit?

 

[Darth Rotor]

If your interest is ONLY in buying products, you have a reasonable position. Were you kidding or serious about the Caddie/Gucci examples?

I'll use a different example, eBay.

Obviously, people who sell stuff on eBay make money by duping people.

If you missed it, I was being slightly sarcastic, but the salesman has to make a living as well, regardless of what he is selling.

DR

 

[Tex2]

If this is the case how did the tool scam get started? >>>> I'm shocked someone as "experienced" as you have never heard the story how the tool scam got started.

Why would someone start it if "regular" amway was more profitable? >>>> Don't you read for comprehension? I said the LCKs make MORE money with the tool scam, at the expense (literally and figuratively) of the downline.

How much would a direct make under your scheme in actual profit?

It depends on their structure, but gross profits would be $2-3000/month. Another key change that is needed is for the upline to "share" major functions, to minimize travel costs for their downline. I have described this in detail on my site. Try reading it, you may learn something, for a change.

 

[NewtonTrino]

How many people would be in this directs organization?

What would you expect the volume distribution to look like?

What would typical monthly business expenses look like?

 

[NewtonTrino]

While you're at it why don't you just post a copy of your business plan?

You do have a business plan with all of this written down somewhere right?

 

[Tex2]

How many people would be in this directs organization? >>>> That depends on the average IBO PV. If it's in the 100 range, it would take 75. If it were in the 300 range, it would take 25.

What would you expect the volume distribution to look like? >>>> Most groups teach building in groups of 3, so you could have 3 2500 PV legs, with some smaller ones for legs 4-6 on the way to Diamond.

What would typical monthly business expenses look like?

I did a quick calculation when I mapped out an alternative tool plan. By dropping the major functions and attending the LCK monthly seminars once per quarter, and holding separate monthly seminars the other 8 months, it reduced the overhead to about 4% of what the LCKs do. This does NOT include other costs, such as driving to plans/followups, babysitters, etc., which vary from person to person. However, there is normally no need to have ANY distant groups if you live in a populated area until your business gets bigger, at least to the Platinum level, preferably the Sapphire to Emerald level.

 

[Tex2]

While you're at it why don't you just post a copy of your business plan? >>>> Most of what would be considered a business plan is on my site.

You do have a business plan with all of this written down somewhere right?

There is other information written down, but now is the time to shut down the tool scam, not make pretty business plans.

 

[NewtonTrino]

So you can't give me a breakdown of monthly and yearly business expenses that a direct would have? How do you know if direct would be profitable then?

How much does it cost to show a plan? How many plans a month would you need to show to go direct in a timely manner?

No business plan? Are you sure this is a real business and not just some scam?