VFF Preliminary Kidney Detection Test
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Paul2
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VFF, how many times did you try the full-body screen, and how many times did you try without the full-body screen?
My fear is that you're making a conclusion based on a very small number of cases, and haven't considered whether some other factor, perhaps unknown to you, is the cause, as opposed to the full-body screen?
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VFF, didn't you say that the problem that made you want to not use the full-body screen was just that your weren't oriented properly? Why wouldn't you be able to tell whether a person was there or not? Wouldn't that be a simpler test of your ability to see inside a person?
BenBurch
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What would be hilarious would be to salt the panel with somebody who has had a transplant and who has THREE kidneys - they are not routinely removed just because they have failed. There are also a small number of individuals born with 3+ kidneys.
Audible Click
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Now that would be a very interesting practice test.
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Explain to me why you can't see if someone is standing, naked, behind an opaque cotton screen again, given this information? Please? Why can't you do a there/not-there test if, in your own words, "visibility is not a problem"?
BenBurch
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And why does the light need to be on at all? Is this an optical perception?
Empress
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Oh, she can, of course, seeing as what an amazing, unique person she is, with X-Ray vision and all, but she refuses to be tested on it. Why? Because that that is not her Main ClaimTM. Remote kidney viewing is her Strongest Claim, proven by the amazing fact that she deduced that someone possessed only one kidney after he told her so. And she demands that she be tested only on her Main ClaimTM, dammit!!
(Of course, the rest of us say she refuses because it makes it too easy to test her, and immediately falsify her stories. But we're just mean skeptics. What do we know? Right, VFF?)
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GeeMack
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Because as soon as a test has the possibility of either actually being performed or providing objective useable results which are certain to show Anita's claims are bogus, it ceases to serve her purpose.
Because as soon as... well... you know.
Oh wow. Oh wow, wow, wow.
This is your idea of science and skepticism Anita?
To ignore ALL the advice given on this thread, to avoid direct questions about your claims, to ignore simple protocols that would be easily tested, to not clarify what your abilities can and can't do... and then as a final crowning glory, to decide to give up completely and contact an organisation without scientific credibility because you aren't getting anywhere with skeptics?
Fine, why not contact Uri Geller, Sylvia Browne and Derek Acorah while you are at it.
You can tell them how brilliant their abilities are, they can tell you how brilliant your abilities are and all of you can avoid ever having any real testing.
Does this mean you have given up attempting to work with skeptics?
This is your idea of science and skepticism Anita?
To ignore ALL the advice given on this thread, to avoid direct questions about your claims, to ignore simple protocols that would be easily tested, to not clarify what your abilities can and can't do... and then as a final crowning glory, to decide to give up completely and contact an organisation without scientific credibility because you aren't getting anywhere with skeptics?
Fine, why not contact Uri Geller, Sylvia Browne and Derek Acorah while you are at it.
You can tell them how brilliant their abilities are, they can tell you how brilliant your abilities are and all of you can avoid ever having any real testing.
Does this mean you have given up attempting to work with skeptics?
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Audible Click
The gap in the plot
I've asked this question and it's been ignored. Perhaps Anita will answer you......eventually.
I don't beleve you.
You have seen the kind of stuff they do - it takes a matter of seconds to discover what kind of lectures they have:
Does this sound like a skeptical organisation? No, not to anyone.
Yet you don't even pause before sending them an invite to test you.
So you aren't interested in skeptical analysis, just the attention of a test, or even correspondence.
Farencue
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Speaking of correspondence Ashles, here is a copy and paste from Dr Leon Curry's website:
Anita Ikonen
Thursday, November 27th 2008 - 09:22:03 PM
brightstar@visionfromfeeling.com
http://www.visionfromfeeling.com Dear Dr. Curry,
I am so glad to have come across Greta's story and your work on psychic medical diagnose. I have an ability of perceiving accurate and very specific health information in people and have recently become interested in testing this scientifically as well as finding out more about it.
I look forward to corresponding with you about this and hope that we can learn from each other. Thank you for bringing a scientific and medical perspective to this wonderful topic that deserves the attention and consideration that you have given it.
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Leon E. Curry, M.D.
Tuesday, November 25th 2008 - 07:21:16 AM
drleon@pineland.net
http://thedoctorandthepsychic.com I presented a book review of my book at Duke University's Stedman Auditorium in October 2008 sponsored by the Rhine Research Center. Over a thousand dollars raised for the Rhine and $600 of books were ordered.The Rhine continues its "gold standard" research of psi, ESP, consciousness.
Go to Rhine.org for more info. Leon E.Curry,M.D.
Yeah, sure you are a skeptic Anita!
Anita Ikonen
Thursday, November 27th 2008 - 09:22:03 PM
brightstar@visionfromfeeling.com
http://www.visionfromfeeling.com Dear Dr. Curry,
I am so glad to have come across Greta's story and your work on psychic medical diagnose. I have an ability of perceiving accurate and very specific health information in people and have recently become interested in testing this scientifically as well as finding out more about it.
I look forward to corresponding with you about this and hope that we can learn from each other. Thank you for bringing a scientific and medical perspective to this wonderful topic that deserves the attention and consideration that you have given it.
...
Leon E. Curry, M.D.
Tuesday, November 25th 2008 - 07:21:16 AM
drleon@pineland.net
http://thedoctorandthepsychic.com I presented a book review of my book at Duke University's Stedman Auditorium in October 2008 sponsored by the Rhine Research Center. Over a thousand dollars raised for the Rhine and $600 of books were ordered.The Rhine continues its "gold standard" research of psi, ESP, consciousness.
Go to Rhine.org for more info. Leon E.Curry,M.D.
Yeah, sure you are a skeptic Anita!
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GeeMack
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Farencue, that's very interesting.
I wonder if all discussion of the Rhine Centre and Dr Leon Curry should be moved to a new and seperate thread.
After all, whatever correspondence and potential protocols Anita wishes to conduct with a non-skeptical organisation are hardly relevant to this thread.
I wonder if all discussion of the Rhine Centre and Dr Leon Curry should be moved to a new and seperate thread.
After all, whatever correspondence and potential protocols Anita wishes to conduct with a non-skeptical organisation are hardly relevant to this thread.
Sorry
I didn't mean my post as a criticism of you, but of Anita's introduction of rather a colossal derail.I was more musing out loud to wonder whether we should start a new thread, or encouage Anita to, or ask the mods to split the thread.
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It thought we had seen every bad idea concerning your test but this one tops them all. You have given up even the pretense of being interested in a scientific test by contacting your nearest woo clinic.
Just wow.