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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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Just to get myself on the record, I am proudly pro-semite, and have always been so, since I studied Akkadian, Babylonian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic.

Fine, I studied Dutch, German, English and French (in that order) and I am proudly pro-European and that includes post-9/11 libertarian constitutional Euro-America. European civilization, the most glamorous, spectacular and potentially inter-planetary civilization ever seen on the face of this planet. This discussion about 9/11 and the holocaust is about safeguarding and even re-energizing that civilization and protect it against the evil schemers in Washington who intend to bring this civilization down. So who cares about a few broken pots found in some desert in Mesopotamia?

P.S. "I am proudly pro-semite"... there is only one way that it makes sense to be 'proud pro-semitic'. So why do you call yourself 'Galileo' after one the heroes of European civilization then if you are not of European descent?
 
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Fine, I studied Dutch, German, English and French (in that order) and I am proudly pro-European and that includes post-9/11 libertarian constitutional Euro-America. European civilization, the most glamorous, spectacular and potentially inter-planetary civilization ever seen on the face of this planet. This discussion about 9/11 and the holocaust is about safeguarding and even re-energizing that civilization and protect it against the evil schemers in Washington who intend to bring this civilization down. So who cares about a few broken pots found in some desert in Mesopotamia?

Inter-planetary? Are there Nazis in space too?
 
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You probably don't speak German
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Edited to remove personal remarks.

I got a second yellow card, this one for (correctly) assuming that my opponent didn't speak German, the other yellow card I got because I put UnlovedRebel on the ignore after repeated insults from his side (obviously no problem for the mods) so I can safely assume that I am going to be banned (on a technicality) sooner or later since this thread is in complete opposition to the NWO-agenda of this forum. If that happens we can continue our interesting discussion here:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44566&page=24

Not a NWO-forum at all. :D
One of the few smarties around here, Trojan, is already a Trojan horse there, uhh I mean a member.
 
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Fine, I studied Dutch, German, English and French (in that order) and I am proudly pro-European and that includes post-9/11 libertarian constitutional Euro-America. European civilization, the most glamorous, spectacular and potentially inter-planetary civilization ever seen on the face of this planet. This discussion about 9/11 and the holocaust is about safeguarding and even re-energizing that civilization and protect it against the evil schemers in Washington who intend to bring this civilization down. So who cares about a few broken pots found in some desert in Mesopotamia?

P.S. "I am proudly pro-semite"... there is only one way that it makes sense to be 'proud pro-semitic'. So why do you call yourself 'Galileo' after one the heroes of European civilization then if you are not of European descent?

Sucked into responding to Galileo.Very sad.
 
What happened to all those Jews, if they were not murdered by the Nazis?

And don´t just throw out some claims - prove it!
 
If European civilisation is so great, who invented the Abacus, the wheelbarrow, the compass, irrigation, the number Zero, paper money etc.
 
Fine, I studied Dutch, German, English and French (in that order)

Is it a pissing contest now?
'cause if we go for the language we have 'studied', you'd add Arabic and Japanese to my list.
Although, I need to seriously get of my butt and put some efforts into them.



P.S. "I am proudly pro-semite"... there is only one way that it makes sense to be 'proud pro-semitic'. So why do you call yourself 'Galileo' after one the heroes of European civilization then if you are not of European descent?

I suspect he was contrasting with the anti-semitism you seem to illustrate so well.
Also, you are not supposed to admire a culture if it is not your own? And now, you are not allowed admire a person if he isn't from your ethnic group?
Can I at least still lust after them, though? 'cause Halle Berry is still hot.
 
Is it a pissing contest now?
'cause if we go for the language we have 'studied', you'd add Arabic and Japanese to my list.
Although, I need to seriously get of my butt and put some efforts into them.





I suspect he was contrasting with the anti-semitism you seem to illustrate so well.
Also, you are not supposed to admire a culture if it is not your own? And now, you are not allowed admire a person if he isn't from your ethnic group?
Can I at least still lust after them, though? 'cause Halle Berry is still hot.

911 investigator only has wet dreams about the Waffen SS in their leather outfits.
 
You know, there isn't a single empire, no matter how evil or backward, that didn't at least make SOME positive contribution to mankind. If nothing else, Christian and Muslim religious fanatics gave us wonderful architecture. The Soviet Union launched the Sputnik. And so on. Even the Italian fascists had Ezra Pound.

The one exception is the Nazis. They had no worthwhile architects (Speer's megalomaniacal nonsense doesn't count), philosophers, writers, poets, scientists, artists, or anything. Even the famous autobahns, or "Fuhrer roads", were Potemkin villages: created mostly for show and to reduce unemployment, and partially (duh) using slave labor of Jews and other undesireables, these roads were practically empty, as the vast majority of Germans were, as usual, lied to by the Nazis who said they could get cars under the new Reich.

All we are left with are a few fantasy super-weapons (big surprise there -- the Nazis tunneling most of the creative energy they had, such as it was, towards making killing machines, whether weapons or gas chambers): mostly of airplanes, but also all kinds of super-weapons such as a a 1000-ton tank, 100-mile-range cannons, and so on.

All of these looked really cool on paper, but, like most of what the Nazis said, wrote, and did, is pathetically adolescent in its outlook: these designs show us designers obsesses with "cool looking" and "fastest / heaviest / strongest / longest range" machines, like 15-year-olds upgrading their spaceship in the latest computer game, being totally oblivious to understanding the difference between fanciful designs and actual practical production. Needless to say, none of these "super-advanced" machines were ever built by the Americans or Soviets which laid their hands on the plans when the war ended. Then again, the people who ran their weapons programs might have been many things, but not permanently adolescent fantasists, like most Nazis, up to and including Der Fuhrer.

The only things left of their legacy today are -- as Michael Burleigh noted -- a few colossal concrete bunkers, too big to blow up, torture chambers, wind-swept parade grounds, rotting wooden huts, and the concentration and extermination camps. There is NOTHING positive AT ALL to show for all those mountains of dead -- a negative achievement unique in the history of mankind.
 
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I am proudly pro-European and that includes post-9/11 libertarian constitutional Euro-America.

Which doesn't actually exist, but nevermind.

This discussion about 9/11 and the holocaust is about safeguarding and even re-energizing that civilization

Considering what happened the last time the Nazis tried to "re-energize European civilization", I think we're safer with the broken pots from Mesopotamia, thank you very much.
 
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You know, there isn't a single empire, no matter how evil or backward, that didn't at least make SOME positive contribution to mankind. If nothing else, Christian and Muslim religious fanatics gave us wonderful architecture. The Soviet Union launched the Sputnik. And so on. Even the Italian fascists had Ezra Pound.

The one exception is the Nazis. They had no worthwhile architects (Speer's megalomaniacal nonsense doesn't count), philosophers, writers, poets, scientists, artists, or anything. Even the famous autobahns, or "Fuhrer roads", were Potemkin villages: created mostly for show and to reduce unemployment, and partially (duh) using slave labor of Jews and other undesireables, these roads were practically empty, as the vast majority of Germans were, as usual, lied to by the Nazis who said they could get cars under the new Reich.

All we are left with are a few fantasy super-weapons (big surprise there -- the Nazis tunneling most of the creative energy they had, such as it was, towards making killing machines, whether weapons or gas chambers): mostly of airplanes, but also all kinds of super-weapons such as a a 1000-ton tank, 100-mile-range cannons, and so on.

All of these looked really cool on paper, but, like most of what the Nazis said, wrote, and did, is pathetically adolescent in its outlook: these designs show us designers obsesses with "cool looking" and "fastest / heaviest / strongest / longest range" machines, like 15-year-olds upgrading their spaceship in the latest computer game, being totally oblivious to understanding the difference between fanciful designs and actual practical production. Needless to say, none of these "super-advanced" machines were ever built by the Americans or Soviets which laid their hands on the plans when the war ended. Then again, the people who ran their weapons programs might have been many things, but not permanently adolescent fantasists, like most Nazis, up to and including Der Fuhrer.

The only things left of their legacy today are -- as Michael Burleigh noted -- a few colossal concrete bunkers, too big to blow up, torture chambers, wind-swept parade grounds, rotting wooden huts, and the concentration and extermination camps. There is NOTHING positive AT ALL to show for all those mountains of dead -- a negative achievement unique in the history of mankind.

What about Maoist China?

As for Nazi Germany, i mostly agree with you, except on one thing: Werner Von Braun and Operation Paperclip.
 
What the autobahn turned out to be is largely irrelevant, considering that they were not introduced by the Nazis; the first had already been begun when Hitler took office, and the Nazis merely grabbed the idea and cranked it up to eleven in their typical megalomaniacal manner.

@NWO/Redtail:
I was going to mention the advances in rocketry and jet propulsion, but you beat me to it.

Besides, I think we should all be grateful for Nazi megalomania. Imagine what they could have accomplished if they´d use the resources at their disposal more rationally.
 
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The only things left of their legacy today are -- as Michael Burleigh noted -- a few colossal concrete bunkers, too big to blow up, torture chambers, wind-swept parade grounds, rotting wooden huts, and the concentration and extermination camps. There is NOTHING positive AT ALL to show for all those mountains of dead -- a negative achievement unique in the history of mankind.
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Whenever I see some breathless appreciation of the "advanced" technology of the nazis, I have to point out that ALL the nations involved in research in that time period were looking at many different ways to do advanced things, but, with a advantage the nazis lacked. The directors of the research and those they were trying to get to fund weren't -insane-!
The tendency of the top nazis to go gaa-gaa over the latest shiny nickel some opportunist would present as -the- bestest ever vengeance weapon, and divert scarce resources towards the manufacture of these frequently unusable items, taking these resources.. designers, builders, manufacturers, out of the main-stream of just keeping the basic military needs satisfied was a good thing!
It prevented the manufacture and use of what were pretty good weapons in a sufficient number to make them a big problem for the Allies, who, in any event, were outproducing the nazis in everything, by not traipsing all over the countryside chasing these wills-o'-wisps from the less-well-wrapped but persuasive entrepenuers of Germany.
It took 5 Shermans to knock a Tiger? We had 50 Shermans for every Tiger!
The lunatics at the top were responsible for the failure of the German military to fend off their numerous enemies.
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(I've seen that massive stadium in Nurnburg where all those theatrical nazi rallies were held. Made a good baseball field for the US Army.)
 
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What the autobahn turned out to be is largely irrelevant, considering that they were not introduced by the Nazis; the first had already been begun when Hitler took office, and the Nazis merely grabbed the idea and cranked it up to eleven in their typical megalomaniacal manner.
I agree with the first point. As to the second: weren't they of good use to the army?

As to the Nazi weaponry, as I Ratant points out, the Tiger was a fine tank. However, the Nazis had dozens of competing designs and produced them all. Whereas the Allies concentrated on one good design (the Sherman in the case of the US, the T-34 in the case of the Soviets) and managed to crank out tens of thousands of them.

Besides, I think we should all be grateful for Nazi megalomania. Imagine what they could have accomplished if they´d use the resources at their disposal more rationally.
Amen. Though, the economic base the Nazis had at their disposal meant the war was a losing proposition for them anyhow - they couldn't keep up with the SU, UK and US in the long run. It would merely have meant that the war had gone on for longer.
 
Inter-planetary? Are there Nazis in space too?

They made it happen.

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This is Werner von Braun, a top Nazi, the chief architect of the Apollo space program which gave America its fantastic global prestige. Unfortunately for America they ran out of Nazis to do similar projects for them. After the 40 year old space shuttle will make its last flight the sun will probably set upon the American space program. You see, the Brasils of this world don't have space programs. While the A380 has taken up regular service, in contrast the Americans on their own will probably not even be able to put a 'Dreamliner' into regular service.

In response to several here who want to belittle the achievements of the Germans, we have to remind that they only had 12 lousy years. Of those 12 years they had to fight an opponent for 6 years who in the end was outnumbering them by a factor of 7. Your remarks in this context are ridiculous.

But may I remind my opponents that this thread is not about justifying German behavior or the glorification of the Third Reich but about the extent of the holocaust. This thread is about denying your right to write history as you please.
 
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This is about the Holocaust?

Then tell me what happened to all those Jews, if they were not murdered by the Nazis. And ****ing prove your claims.
 
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