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Scotland's healthcare system doesn't suck!

Have you seen something recent? I can't find anything dated more than a day or two after she went to Sweden.

Rolfe.
I'm reading in one of the Swedish daily newspapers, where they say she has recovered and has left the Karolinska Hospital, to be transferred to an intensive care unit at Crosshouse Hospital in Ayrshire. (Cool, I've been to a conference in Ayr, Ayrshire! Best ever, as I skipped the last day for a weekend tour to Isle of Islay...)

krx
 
I'm reading in one of the Swedish daily newspapers, where they say she has recovered and has left the Karolinska Hospital, to be transferred to an intensive care unit at Crosshouse Hospital in Ayrshire. (Cool, I've been to a conference in Ayr, Ayrshire! Best ever, as I skipped the last day for a weekend tour to Isle of Islay...)

krx

Drunken bum :D
 
As an example of Australian health care, I came down with some sort of infection yesterday.

At 4:30pm I went to my local medical centre and asked to see the next available doctor. By 5:15pm I had filled my prescription for a course of antibiotics and also picked up a 60 pack of soluble asprin. Total out of pocket costs were $20 Australian or about 10 pounds.
 
I'm having to go for a routine ...er.. procedure (one that has to be done in a hospital under light sedation by a consultant).

Went to my GP's, she requested the procedure, the computer churned out a list of the (about) 12 hospitals in the area I could attend, listed their distances from my address, whether they had car parking facilities and other ancillary details including average "waiting times". I didn't have my calendar with me so I didn't book the appointment there and then so the GP provided me with a booking reference and a password and a print out of the details.

I came home, went to the NHS website, typed in my booking details and password. Up came the list of hospitals, and it gave me the ability to do a comparison of the various hospitals (which takes you to another site that lists the ratings of the hospital and provides statistics like the number of MRSA infections per 100,000, how other patients have rated the hospital, it's like one of those insurance comparison sites). After that I click on which one or ones I want to check for an appointment.

A long list of appointment dates and times comes up (about 5 pages worth!) and I picked an appointment for the second week in September. Now that may seem a long time - it's 3 and a bit weeks from the GP visit but it wasn't the earliest appointment for this routine procedure, that was exactly for 14 days. (But that clashed with some holiday plans I have so I've picked a date and time that suited me.)

And to think we have some folk in the UK that claim the NHS hasn't improved since it was better funded....


(That is NHS England but I believe NHS Scotland has a similar system in place.)
 
And to think we have some folk in the UK that claim the NHS hasn't improved since it was better funded.....
Do we? Well naturally some will complain about things whatever. But the debate I have heard much more often in the UK concerns the dramatic rise in real health spending under Labour and the observation that this is unsustainable. Most people tend to agree that the output of the NHS is considerably better*, but worry that this was a one-off, and that--given the dreadful state of UK public deficits--it will have to go into reverse from here even if the next government soaks the rich with tax hikes.


This chart shows the trend in health spending as a fraction of the economy. Before Labour it was slightly below comparable numbers in the rest of Europe. Now I think it's edging above. (International comparison would probably indicate that only spending 5% GDP on a universal health system and all the rest of it, is too tight-fisted and won't get you anything decent)

This report mentions the growth of real (net of inflation) spending on health: Average growth rate 1949-97 was 3.4% per year. 1999-2008 it was +6.4% per year.

It would be a disaster if there was no discernable improvement from that. (I also agree there has been)

(*Of course there have often been criticisms that "we" did not get value for money, and to-be-expected bleatings that it has been squandered on pay rises. Not for doctors/nurses so much--but "fat cat layers of management". Managers in the health service are perennially regarded as parasite pen-pushers, in stark contrast to hard working carers of the highest moral fibre :D)
 
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Do we?

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Unfortunately yes. I've argued with folks from the UK about the NHS on the Forum when they were giving the last few governments a kicking, and until this last week or so I'd say any, even remotely, negative story about the NHS on the BBC site had them crawling out of the woodwork on "Have your say".
 
Now I know this story didn't actually happen in Scotland. But hey, England is awesome too!

The NHS surgeons who saved 15 lives in record-breaking transplant op using just TWO donors

IN total around 55 medical staff and support workers were involved in the multiple transplant operation with some surgeons and doctors taking part in up to four operations.

Consultant transplant surgeon Mr Paolo Muiesan led a team of doctors, anaesthetists and nurses during a six-hour operation to secure the organs from the first donor. These included the stomach, pancreas and intestine and two kidneys.

In addition a separate thoracic surgical team removed two lungs and a heart.

The liver was divided in half in the donor and then, like the other organs, individually packaged for transportation to the Children's Hospital and the Queen Elizabeth Hospital.

Consultant transplant surgeon Mr Darius Mirza led the team performing the transplant for an 11-year-old boy, using organs from the first donor. The six-hour operation involved the transfer of a stomach, pancreas and intestine.

Consultant transplant surgeon Mr Khalid Sharif led the transplant team giving a left half of the new liver to eight-month-old Lubaya Turpin. At the same time, at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital, consultant transplant surgeon Mr Simon Bramhall led the team giving the right half of the new liver to 30-year-old Sandie Lee Smith.

He then led the team performing the 'domino' procedure in which Sandie's liver was transferred to Sean O'Brien at the same hospital.

Simultaneously, Mr Mirza also led the team who retrieved the organs from the second donor, and carried out the transplant operation on 14-year-old Damien Simpson using those organs, the last of the five transplant operations on the day.

Each surgical team would consist of ten to 12 people.

At least four surgeons were needed for the retrieval operations, plus an anaesthetist, two technicians, two nurses, two coordinators and one theatre assistant.

The transplant teams consisted of at least one or two transplant surgeons, plus two assistant surgeons, an anaesthetist, two technicians, one nurse, one coordinator and one theatre assistant.


Oh yeah, it's evil and Orwellian, and the recipients were probably the few survivors of the "death panels" and even worse they probably didn't deserve the transplants because their illnesses were the result of poor life choices....

Why do so many Americans not understand how wonderful it is to know that your society will provide this sort of care for you if needed, without the word "money" even needing to be mentioned?

Rolfe.
 
:D

More seriously, from the accompanying photograph and the names, it looks as if several of the surgeons are of Middle Eastern ethnicity, and probably even Muslims. Oh noes, universal healthcare systems are a breeding ground for terrorists! (If that accusation hadn't been seriously made, I wouldn't have dared make it up as a parody.)

Rolfe.
 
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Argument by anecdote, and not at the same end of the scale as the lady in Sweden, but there you go.

Yesterday, whilst sitting at my deska t the office circa 8.30am, something landed in my eye. Don't know what it was, but it hurt like heck. The eyebath in the office first aid kit and dunking head into sink full of water (with eyes open) didn't make any different.

Rang doctors surgery at 8.45am. Told to get in at 9 sharp, when they opened, and the practice nurse would fix it. Doctor's surgery across the road from office, so that was easy enough.

9-9.30, practice nurse works through a series of eyebaths, eyedrops, and examinations. Got most but not all out.

9.30-9.45,one of the doctors in the practice comes in, uses gizmos to look in and above eye (dye, UV, etc). Given local anaesthetic. Eye swabbed progressively (that was fun), remaining gunk removed. Given week's supply of antibiotic eye drops and told to come back at 2pm if any problems, failing which they could fit me in first thing this morning if it flared up.

So, in our "hellish" health system, the GPs surgery basically went out their way to help. And it cost me.......zilch.
 
Argument by anecdote, and not at the same end of the scale as the lady in Sweden, but there you go.

Yesterday, whilst sitting at my deska t the office circa 8.30am, something landed in my eye. Don't know what it was, but it hurt like heck. The eyebath in the office first aid kit and dunking head into sink full of water (with eyes open) didn't make any different.

Rang doctors surgery at 8.45am. Told to get in at 9 sharp, when they opened, and the practice nurse would fix it. Doctor's surgery across the road from office, so that was easy enough.

9-9.30, practice nurse works through a series of eyebaths, eyedrops, and examinations. Got most but not all out.

9.30-9.45,one of the doctors in the practice comes in, uses gizmos to look in and above eye (dye, UV, etc). Given local anaesthetic. Eye swabbed progressively (that was fun), remaining gunk removed. Given week's supply of antibiotic eye drops and told to come back at 2pm if any problems, failing which they could fit me in first thing this morning if it flared up.

So, in our "hellish" health system, the GPs surgery basically went out their way to help. And it cost me.......zilch.

Bbbuttt.... what about the waiting lists? The rationing? Think how much you personally just shaved off the technology R&D budget of those pharma companies! People will DIE because of you! And their video games will be more expensive! My tax money paid for your mistakes! Now you'll NEVER learn not to get crap in your eye again! I can imagine it now - you, at your desk, jabbing things into your eyes willy-nilly and all because you KNOW Ol' Johnny Taxpayer here will fix you up good and proper!

Take care of yourself, for once! All those years training to be an arcitecht, and for what? You should have gone to night school and learnt how to deal with eye problems, not sat around waiting for others to be forced, AT GUN POINT, to take the crap out of your eye for you! Take responsibility for your own life for once! Sheesh.
 
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Until the death panel sends round the official culler!

See the ninja death squads needed in UHC are also government run, making them even less efficient at killing you all than the health care.
 

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