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[NewtonTrino]

Upline are wholesale suppliers. They are competitors in the retail space, but have an incentive to help you grow and be profitable as it increases their wholesale business.

The whole idea is to move from being a small volume retailer, with high per unit markup, to a large volume wholesaler, with smaller per unit markups but greater profitability. The larger volumes also means greater volume discounts, which means larger markup on personal retail.

That might be the goal but that doesn't mean it's actually a good idea.

real answer: your upline is your owner and you are their bitch.

YOU ARE THE PRODUCT in the same way that users of Gmail are the product and the adversiters are the customers. In Amway the downline is the product to be bled until they are dry.

There is no argument against this because almost nobody makes money in this scam (including yourself Icerat). Keep dreaming though!

 

[Almo]

YOU ARE THE PRODUCT in the same way that users of Gmail are the product and the adversiters are the customers.

That's a pretty good point. Hadn't thought of it that way with GMail.

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Ápart from which, you just continue to completely ignore the evidence supplied that we have many non-distributor consumers. Tex has customers. I have customers.

How many?

How much do you make on average per month from your non-distributor customers?

How much did you make for your last fiscal year from your non-distributor customers?

 

[NewtonTrino]

He's lying. He clearly said that he gave his business to his wife, so how could he have customers? Which is it Icerat? Or you a current IBO or not?

 

[Skeptic]

Ápart from which, you just continue to completely ignore the evidence supplied that we have many non-distributor consumers. Tex has customers. I have customers.

How many non-Amway customers do you have -- and not counting friends and family?

2?

7?

15?

How much profit did you make from them last year?

 

[icerat]

wow, you guys really don't bother reading what people write do you?

(1) I gave my original business, which was earning some useful $$$$ to my former wife, but I became her sponsor. If you know anything about the model (which excludes most of you), that means I don't make money from it

(2) I have since started and stopped and started and stopped other Amway businesses several times in other countries. I realised that was a pointless approach and stopped completely several years ago so I could clear out the problems causing the "stops". So unless asked by a downline, I haven't done anything towards building that business. I'm certainly not "running a business" by any reasonable definition of the term. Despite that, you still end up with customers, because they know you can get them the products, and contrary to your ignorant claims, people like them. Early on this thread I grabbed the receipt and counted them up and I'd had nearly 20 customers the past 6 months, most were repeat orders, and I've picked up a few since then. These are full-retail price customers. None are family. Some are friends, obviously. I've no idea what the total profit is, nothing significant obviously, but who cares? If I can pick up 20 customers without trying, clearly others can too. I already gave numerous such examples earlier.

But you know what you believe and don't really care about facts, so I'm sure you'll just ignore them again.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Here is a thought that needs addressing

People who make money on Spamway only can make money by duping people

Duping?

It is fair to say that the few Amway products I have bought are not cheap. I had a bottle of LOC that lasted me quite a while. I have used SA-8 laundry detergent, and it's good stuff on a per use basis. (You do have to pay attention, however, on how much to use. Read the freakin' directions.)

I don't bother finding the local Amway rep any more, have not for years, since my wife and I still clip coupons for simple stuff like that.

But about the whole sales deal? People who sell you a Cadillac, rather than a Volkswagen, only make money by duping you. People who sell you a Gucci handbag can only make money by duping you.

DR

 

[Tex2]

That might be the goal but that doesn't mean it's actually a good idea.

real answer: your upline is your owner and you are their bitch.

YOU ARE THE PRODUCT in the same way that users of Gmail are the product and the adversiters are the customers. In Amway the downline is the product to be bled until they are dry.

There is no argument against this because almost nobody makes money in this scam (including yourself Icerat). Keep dreaming though!

The problem is, as usual, icerat/insider/ibofb "conveniently forgets" the tool scam is where most of the profit is made by the upline and all of the Amway profit, and then some, is turned over to the LCKs. He just had a conversation on his site (http://www.amwaytalk.com/general-f2/meeting-costs-t857-50.html?sid=6b3d3bc8d0e750a8de6e23b322dda22a) where Wearyeyed, a hopelessly clueless individual, ties himself up in logical knots.

 

[Tex2]

How many?

How much do you make on average per month from your non-distributor customers?

How much did you make for your last fiscal year from your non-distributor customers?

Why do you keep asking these questions? We know you wouldn't believe us if we told you, that's why we don't tell you. GO HOME. LOL

 

[Tex2]

Here is a thought that needs addressing
Duping?

It is fair to say that the few Amway products I have bought are not cheap. I had a bottle of LOC that lasted me quite a while. I have used SA-8 laundry detergent, and it's good stuff on a per use basis. (You do have to pay attention, however, on how much to use. Read the freakin' directions.)

I don't bother finding the local Amway rep any more, have not for years, since my wife and I still clip coupons for simple stuff like that.

But about the whole sales deal? People who sell you a Cadillac, rather than a Volkswagen, only make money by duping you. People who sell you a Gucci handbag can only make money by duping you.

DR

If your interest is ONLY in buying products, you have a reasonable position. Were you kidding or serious about the Caddie/Gucci examples?

 

[Tex2]

he's lying. He clearly said that he gave his business to his wife, so how could he have customers? Which is it icerat? Or you a current ibo or not?

you are clueless!!! Lol

 

[Tex2]

How many non-Amway customers do you have -- and not counting friends and family?

2?

7?

15?

How much profit did you make from them last year?

See answer to CynicalSkeptic. You guys are continuing to do a GREAT job of providing information for IBO training. LOL

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

Why do you keep asking these questions? We know you wouldn't believe us if we told you, that's why we don't tell you. GO HOME. LOL

*I refuse to answer your question because it would prove your point, so I feebly attempt to turn it around on you.*

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

See answer to CynicalSkeptic. You guys are continuing to do a GREAT job of providing information for IBO training. LOL

Here's the training young Padawan. You will get many tough questions, so divert, refuse to answer, and change the subject. Never tell your prospects the truth, because most will see what a lousy business scam this is and run away.

 

[Tex2]

*I refuse to answer your question because it would prove your point, so I feebly attempt to turn it around on you.*

You don't have a point. LOL

 

[Tex2]

Here's the training young Padawan. You will get many tough questions, so divert, refuse to answer, and change the subject. Never tell your prospects the truth, because most will see what a lousy business scam this is and run away.

You couldn't recognize training if you were on the tracks heading 60 mph in your direction. I tell the prospects the truth, YOU are not a prospect, you are a cynical skeptic! LOL

 

[Porkchopjim]

crossline distributors are competitors. You do not recruit crossline distributors.

Competitors for recruits - the TRUE Amway product? Several people have picked up on that – no small thanks to you!

So you believe 7-11 stores are competition for Coca-Cola? They both compete in the retail space to sell Coke, and Coca-Cola inc makes more money per can if they sell direct to the consumer

Why is Coca-Cola so stupid that they sell to competitors?

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Oh - my eyes!

You've betrayed your cult again: you consistently confuse 'business owner' with 'customer'. Amway rules do NOT make that mistake – yet you continue to do so.

Who was it complaining that people were misrepresenting the Amway business? Oh – right – that was Icerat.

This "you're recruiting competitors" thing is one of the dumbest most ignorant bits of rubbish I've seen out of "critics" for a long time. When they have to resort to BS like that it really goes to show what little they actually have to say.

Then you shouldn't have your panties so bunched up about it. But – you do. Wonder why?

Ápart from which, you just continue to completely ignore the evidence supplied that we have many non-distributor consumers. Tex has customers. I have customers. I provided a link to a forum where there were a bunch of Amway folk talking ... about their customers.

1. Many = more than one = two? Impressive!

2. Where is this 'proof'?

3. You are REQUIRED to have customers in North America, and once you reach a certain level, you are REQUIRED to make sure your downline participating in the scam have customers. 10 currently – which is no more than selling 10 cans of XS to 10 people for a penny each. Ta Da!

4. Doesn't stop Amway from admitting that LESS THAN 10% of their products are consumed by someone who ISN'T a 'business owner.'

5. With impressive 'customer' statistics like that - you might expect people who give Amway the benefit of the doubt of being a 'real business' consider competition for 'customers' would indeed be of concern.

 

[icerat]

3. You are REQUIRED to have customers in North America, and once you reach a certain level, you are REQUIRED to make sure your downline participating in the scam have customers. 10 currently – which is no more than selling 10 cans of XS to 10 people for a penny each. Ta Da!

Nope, false. You're not required at all. You only need it if you want a bonus on downline volume, ie you're actually trying to make money. Most people don't, and aren't.

4. Doesn't stop Amway from admitting that LESS THAN 10% of their products are consumed by someone who ISN'T a 'business owner.'

Amway has never said any such thing.

 

[Skeptic]

(2) I have since started and stopped and started and stopped other Amway businesses several times in other countries. I realised that was a pointless approach and stopped completely several years ago so I could clear out the problems causing the "stops".

Gee. I thought this was the greatest business opportunity ever! Turns out that for the last -- what? decade? -- you made no money with it (at least that's how I interpret "started and stopped") and stopped completely years ago.

Some "opportunity".

Early on this thread I grabbed the receipt and counted them up and I'd had nearly 20 customers the past 6 months, most were repeat orders, and I've picked up a few since then.

My restaurant is doing very well, too. In the last six months since we've opened, I've had over 25 different people eat there! Some of them came twice or three time! Only some of them were personal friends!

You're certainly going places with this amway thing.

 

[Tex2]

Nope, false. You're not required at all. You only need it if you want a bonus on downline volume, ie you're actually trying to make money. Most people don't, and aren't. >>>> Although technically correct (as usual), you are underestimating that most people aren't trying to make money. They simply get frustrated because of the tool scam.



Amway has never said any such thing.

Amway didn't have to say it, Orrin & Co. did in their 2007 lawsuit (the number was actually MUCH less than 10%, about 3.5%), and Amway didn't refute it.

How 'bout that Bruce Anderson example? Can't respond, can you?