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[Tex2]

This "nobody has ever given me a single example of an IBO's lifestyle that didn't come from Amway profit, and not tool profit" thing is one of the dumbest most ignorant bits of rubbish I've seen out of "ibofb" for a long time. When he has to resort to BS like that it really goes to show what little he actually has to say.

 

[Tex2]

If you're not actually retailing the product (or if you make more on commissions to another distributor then you do on the diff. between retail and wholesale) then you're correct. >>>> What if you make less, but you don't have to spend as much time, money, and energy for the extra money?

Sorry, us skeptics don't understand a business model where instead of having end consumers, you rely on an infinite exponential increase in "distributors" who only buy products for themselves.

You skeptics don't understand much more than end customers, I don't think you understand your own "end." Please don't tell my customers I don't have customers. LOL

 

[Bob Klase]

I enjoy exposing ignorance.

You should have someone explain the difference between 'exposing' and 'demonstrating'. You have them confused.

 

[NewtonTrino]

So if crossline is your competition what is your upline?

 

[Tex2]

You should have someone explain the difference between 'exposing' and 'demonstrating'. You have them confused.

Another great example, thanks Bob! You come to a forum with NO facts, NO knowledge, NO logic, yet you continue to "demonstrate" diarrhea of the fingers. AMAZING!!! Class dismissed. LOL

 

[NewtonTrino]

I'll be looking forward to updates on how Icerat's business in the UK goes after he gets started. I hope he'll blog monthly income/expenses/profits.

 

[Tex2]

So if crossline is your competition what is your upline?

If they do it right, they take any names they have in common with you and allow you and/or help you to approach those individuals. How long did you say you have been around the Amway business? This is VERY basic stuff.

 

[Tex2]

I'll be looking forward to updates on how Icerat's business in the UK goes after he gets started. I hope he'll blog monthly income/expenses/profits.

If he didn't do it for his Australian or Swedish business, why do you think he'll do it from the UK? You STILL can't imagine the Amway business without the tool scam, can you? That's okay, because ibofb will have to LIVE it. LOL

 

[NewtonTrino]

If they do it right, they take any names they have in common with you and allow you and/or help you to approach those individuals. How long did you say you have been around the Amway business? This is VERY basic stuff.

You're completely missing my point. Icerat said that crossline was your competition. I want to know why your upline isn't your competition as well. In fact that are worse than that because you pay them a commission for all volume you move. If you sourced your products directly from the manufacturer that would be money in your pocket.

But I'm sure there will be all kinds of convoluted reasons why they are good. Maybe it's all that great training that they give you for free... er I mean charge you outrageous sums to brainwash you.

Anyone else out there seeing this brainwashing thing?

 

[Skeptic]

"Downline" are not competitors in Amway for the same reason hamburgers are not competitors to McDonalds.

If Amway's product was really its vitamins and soap products, then, of course, the downline would be competition. But Amway's real product, or resource, rather, ARE the downline people themselves: the brainwashed idiots who buy Amway products (practically nobody else does).

Naturally, in such a situation, having a large downline is the goal.

 

[Skeptic]

I didn't miss the point at all. As I said above, if your upline is doing the right thing, the potential IBOs your crossline will approach has very little overlap with the potential IBOs you know.

Oh, nonsense. All "serious" Amway people try to recruit anybody they know or can get to know, regardless of how close or far away they are from you.

 

[Skeptic]

Because you have offered a poor analogy. The new IBO knows lots of people I don't know,

So does the guy who buys an hamburger from me. So I should get everybody who comes to buy a burger to open a new restaurant selling burgers as well, right?

 

[Tex2]

"Downline" are not competitors in Amway for the same reason hamburgers are not competitors to McDonalds. >>>> You don't have a clue how MLM works, do you? LOL

If Amway's product was really its vitamins and soap products, then, of course, the downline would be competition. >>>> Competition to who?

But Amway's real product, or resource, rather, ARE the downline people themselves: the brainwashed idiots who buy Amway products (practically nobody else does). >>>> Please don't tell my customers that! LOL

Naturally, in such a situation, having a large downline is the goal.

Naturally, in such a situation, having common sense is the goal, but it's a LONG way off for you! LOL

 

[Tex2]

Oh, nonsense. All "serious" Amway people try to recruit anybody they know or can get to know, regardless of how close or far away they are from you.

Really? Too bad you don't have a clue what you're talking about, but thanks for the new lesson for my IBOs. LOL

 

[Tex2]

So does the guy who buys an hamburger from me. So I should get everybody who comes to buy a burger to open a new restaurant selling burgers as well, right?

No, you should allow them to buy the hamburger. If they want to open a new restaurant, that's okay as well. At least you're consistent. Consistently WRONG. Class dismissed! LOL

 

[icerat]

If you're not actually retailing the product (or if you make more on commissions to another distributor then you do on the diff. between retail and wholesale) then you're correct.

So you do believe Coca-Cola are idiots for selling coke to their competitors, 7-11?

Sorry, us skeptics don't understand a business model where instead of having end consumers, you rely on an infinite exponential increase in "distributors" who only buy products for themselves.

More nonsensical rubbish. You "don't understand a business model where instead of having end consumers, you rely on ... end consumers"[/quote]

Ápart from which, you just continue to completely ignore the evidence supplied that we have many non-distributor consumers. Tex has customers. I have customers. I provided a link to a forum where there were a bunch of Amway folk talking ... about their customers.

So you're not only wilfully choosing to ignore evidence, your also making illogical statements like the above. In my world a skeptic is someone who is rational. On this issue at least, you clearly are not.

 

[icerat]

So if crossline is your competition what is your upline?

Upline are wholesale suppliers. They are competitors in the retail space, but have an incentive to help you grow and be profitable as it increases their wholesale business.

The whole idea is to move from being a small volume retailer, with high per unit markup, to a large volume wholesaler, with smaller per unit markups but greater profitability. The larger volumes also means greater volume discounts, which means larger markup on personal retail.

 

[Tex2]

Upline are wholesale suppliers. They are competitors in the retail space, but have an incentive to help you grow and be profitable as it increases their wholesale business. >>>> NO. Amway is the supplier. Do you think we still do product pickup? Upline gets part of the monetary reward (so do YOU when you become an upline, think about it, it's a good deal) for the education, training, and motivation they provide, but they don't have the time to personally service all the IBOs and customers their downline services, let alone having an opportunity to approach those IBOs and customers that you know but they don't know. You are lost, hopelessly lost, in your false logic. But it makes for good training for my IBOs, so thanks for putting your ignorance in writing! LOL

The whole idea is to move from being a small volume retailer, with high per unit markup, to a large volume wholesaler, with smaller per unit markups but greater profitability. The larger volumes also means greater volume discounts, which means larger markup on personal retail.

Which "per unit markups" are you talking about? The units you personally consume and sell to customers, or those your downline consumes and sells to their customers? Or both? Are you assuming a 6-4-2 type organizational scenario, or the scenario where you are already at a much higher level than the person you sponsor? It makes a difference.

STILL no comment on the Bruce Anderson example? He is very typical, so be careful with your answer.

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

So you do believe Coca-Cola are idiots for selling coke to their competitors, 7-11?

No, and Amway corporate are not idiots for selling Amway products to IBOs.

 

[Tex2]

No, and Amway corporate are not idiots for selling Amway products to IBOs.

I'm glad we all agree on something! LOL