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Encountered my first "Truther" today

Hokulele said:
If triforcharity were to provide evidence supporting his OP to the admins of this forum, that would protect his privacy (much as T.A.M. did some time ago with his credentials). If the admins were to agree that the presented evidence did support the OP, would you accept that?
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Yes, I would certainly accept it, but first I would like to know what the evidence is, from a very high level (e.g., "an arrest report"). That way, we can make sure the admin understands exactly when this happened, which charges to look for, which county it did not happen in, etc. Nothing unreasonable.
 
deep44 said:
Yes, I would certainly accept it, but first I would like to know what the evidence is, from a very high level (e.g., "an arrest report"). That way, we can make sure the admin understands exactly when this happened, which charges to look for, which county it did not happen in, etc. Nothing unreasonable.
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Can we expect this level of proof from you regarding your claims?
 
deep44 and the rambling, convoluted sophistry he uses to leave open the possibility that explosives were present at the WTC buildings, despite a complete lack of evidence:
deep44 said:
Umm, I haven't said that explosives were present - I have no proof of that. I said that you cannot prove that they were not present by telling us what certain eyewitnesses really heard (as opposed to what they reported).

Your assertion that certain eyewitnesses were all mistaken is an unsubstantiated counterclaim. You think you can pass off all kinds of assumptions about what else should have happened in order for a bomb to have been present - but those are not facts.

The worst part is, people in this forum will use that unsubstantiated counterclaim as "proof" in other arguments.

It is what it is - lots of witnesses heard what they believed were bombs and/or loud, unidentified explosions. That doesn't prove that bombs were present, and it doesn't disprove it.
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deep44, focused like a laser in determining the best way to prove the veracity of someone's random personal anecdote:
deep44 said:
Yes, I would certainly accept it, but first I would like to know what the evidence is, from a very high level (e.g., "an arrest report"). That way, we can make sure the admin understands exactly when this happened, which charges to look for, which county it did not happen in, etc. Nothing unreasonable.
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Way to keep your priorities in order, champ. :thumbsup:
 
RedIbis said:
The guy's story sounded like a work from the get go. Then when pressed on the details he couldn't come up with any support.

I ask you to consider this summation again:

Forgive my skepticism, but what we have here now is an irate 17yo truther gets into a shouting match with you at a 7/11, stands behind your car until the cops arrive and then is charged with a felony and held without bail.

Then after talking in this thread about how you'd like to hit him with a large wrench or go to his neighborhood blasting an airhorn, (which would disturb the entire neighborhood and not just him) you reflected upon his age and sent him $5 and some stamps so you could have a pen pal.

Don't take it personally, but I'm not buying it.
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Fine. You don't believe it.

However, you should apologize for your original assertion and rephrase it to simply say "I don't believe it" because, again, there is no evidence that his story is a fabrication.

Simple as that, mate.
 
RedIbis said:
The guy's story sounded like a work from the get go. Then when pressed on the details he couldn't come up with any support.

I ask you to consider this summation again:

Forgive my skepticism, but what we have here now is an irate 17yo truther gets into a shouting match with you at a 7/11, stands behind your car until the cops arrive and then is charged with a felony and held without bail.

Then after talking in this thread about how you'd like to hit him with a large wrench or go to his neighborhood blasting an airhorn, (which would disturb the entire neighborhood and not just him) you reflected upon his age and sent him $5 and some stamps so you could have a pen pal.

Don't take it personally, but I'm not buying it.
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thats called emotions
obviously he wrestled with it over a few days as the situation became clearer along with his head

RedIbis said:
It's my opinion. Argue against it but don't throw a tantrum.
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exactly, its your opinion and like others have pointed out you stated his story was fabricated as a FACT
so when you misrepresent your opinion as fact that makes you a liar

RedIbis said:
It's been two weeks.
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since the thread was created
its only been 2 days since he posted
whats the point?

so you say that people have to convince you with facts and evidence huh?
now you know how every debunker feels when you post out of context videos from youtube as hard evidence....
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Fine. You don't believe it.

However, you should apologize for your original assertion and rephrase it to simply say "I don't believe it" because, again, there is no evidence that his story is a fabrication.

Simple as that, mate.
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C'mon man. This is the last place people should be calling for such gentile language. Just look at the demonization of Twoofers and everything associated with it. Now, I say I don't believe the guy's story and people here get indignant. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

What's at stake was all of this locker room backslapping and fantasizing about violence against the evil Twoofers.
 
RedIbis said:
C'mon man. This is the last place people should be calling for such gentile language. Just look at the demonization of Twoofers and everything associated with it. Now, I say I don't believe the guy's story and people here get indignant. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

What's at stake was all of this locker room backslapping and fantasizing about violence against the evil Twoofers.
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None of that changes the fact that you told a demonstrable lie.
 
The Dirty Birds lies exposed

RedIbis said:
C'mon man. This is the last place people should be calling for such gentile language. Just look at the demonization of Twoofers and everything associated with it. Now, I say I don't believe the guy's story and people here get indignant. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

What's at stake was all of this locker room backslapping and fantasizing about violence against the evil Twoofers.
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But that is not what you said. You liar

RedIbis said:
It's been a tough week for him. First his story is exposed as a fabrication and now this.
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RedIbis said:
C'mon man. This is the last place people should be calling for such gentile language. Just look at the demonization of Twoofers and everything associated with it. Now, I say I don't believe the guy's story and people here get indignant. Seriously, it's ridiculous.
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I won't argue that this place gets rough, and I'm not asking for gentile language. I try to stay away from it for the most part.

Problem is, you didn't say you "don't believe the guy's story", you said that it was "fabricated".

A simple correction in your first post after someone called you on it would have sufficed, but I guess you felt it was worth arguing about, so here we are.

I agree with you that it's kinda ridiculous, but only because, IMHO, you could have ended the whole matter by withdrawing your original statement that his story was fabricated.

What's at stake was all of this locker room backslapping and fantasizing about violence against the evil Twoofers.
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Sure, it get's pretty tiring. It happens at truther sites as well. So what?

Accusing someone of fabricating a story with no proof just isn't right, but if you can prove it I'll be on your side in criticizing triforcharity.
 
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Mr. Skinny said:
I won't argue that this place gets rough, and I'm not asking for gentile language. I try to stay away from it for the most part.

Problem is, you didn't say you "don't believe the guy's story", you said that it was "fabricated".

A simple correction in your first post after someone called you on it would have sufficed, but I guess you felt it was worth arguing about, so here we are.

I agree with you that it's kinda ridiculous, but only because, IMHO, you could have ended the whole matter by withdrawing your original statement that his story was fabricated.


Sure, it get's pretty tiring. It happens at truther sites as well. So what?

Accusing someone of fabricating a story with no proof just isn't right, but if you can prove it I'll be on your side in criticizing triforcharity.
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Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof? In other words, this guy needs to verify his story before anyone goes firing up the lynch mob.
 
RedIbis said:
Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof?
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This is more a site where illogical, irrational, and unscientific ideas and theories are ripped apart and tossed into the trash bin.

Like 9-11 Truth
 
RedIbis said:
Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof?
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10,000 ninjas with demo packs sneaking into a burning building in front of thousands of eyewitnesses and blowing it up without making a sound = extraordinary claim.

Being accosted by some random jerkwad at a gas station =/= extraordinary claim.
 
RedIbis said:
Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof? In other words, this guy needs to verify his story before anyone goes firing up the lynch mob.
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None of that changes the fact that you told a demonstrable lie.
 
RedIbis said:
Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof? In other words, this guy needs to verify his story before anyone goes firing up the lynch mob.
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It's not an extraordinary claim, RedIbis. It was an anecdotal story.

As I said, IMO you were wrong to accuse him of fabrication. Don't understand why you persist in this. :confused:

It shall be what it shall be then. Good luck.
 
RedIbis said:
Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof? In other words, this guy needs to verify his story before anyone goes firing up the lynch mob.
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the extraordinary claim is YOU claiming tri fabricated his story
wheres your proof?
opinions dont count as we all know what they say about those

fabrication is steven jones altering pictures
i dont see you yelling at him

it takes a big man to admit when hes wrong (and you are so obviously wrong)
 
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