Message from a Truther

Holy bully

Actually he's wrong here. The planes didn't "cut" the steel. Their momentum sheared the bolts holding those columns in place. Some of the impacted columns were severely deflected by the impact but not actually 'cut'. The same thing applies to the pentagon; the plane doesn't "cut" through the masonry, it's momentum slams them out of place. That's why rational people don't expect wil-e-coyote cartoon cut outs.

Cookie cutter collision vids and stills prove it's not a plane but a figment of some rich peoples' sick twisted power-mad fantasy to hold sway over the lives of those not in the know.

Sheared the bolts is the theory of dolts. Got some and given it back.

The plane does not twist but it goes in sideways. It does not bend, though it is mostly aluminum. It does not crack though it is impacting what is essentially a solid steel wall. The engines? Sure. Possible. The rest of the wings? Forgive me for scoffing at your scoffing. The tail? Cardboard would stand up as well.

You don't need to be a structural engineer to understand basic physics from high school or just reading science journals on your own in your spare time. This is like a 150 lb (what I weigh) football player smacking into the 300 lb (forget the metric system here) Mr. William "Refrigerator" Perry full tilt. You will wink-wink, nudge-nudge him and that's about it. I have no delusions as to how that match up would come out. it's not like martial arts where you're going for stuns to pressure points. I would bounce off of "The Fridge" like nobody's bidness, you bet. Played a little f-ball against bigger fellas so I think I would know that. Hit 'em just right and they might topple, but that's pain talking.

Buildings don't feel pain. There are no pressure points. Once a rivet is in place with its buddies in the other joints you might as well say it's part of the whole. You're trying (and not successfully at all) to imply that the bolts/welds/rivets all sheared at the same time so we get this effect of a cookie cutter collision (came out the other side and disintegrated in some vids) that is really just an optical illusion. Is that what you're saying? Really?

Rudy Giuliani said the buildings imploded and he was surprised as anyone. I'll bet. He said it again on a talk show. Excuse me?

Just where are you going with this?

Why do no plane videos even exist with ongoing commentators who don't even mention planes.

Take a video with a plane in it...a real plane. You must delete the plane from each and every frame or make a vid from exactly the same angle and cut in the building exploding in the frames where "impact" occurs from the exact same angle as the official story cameras with the same clouds in the background. No one with any amount of a clue would do such a thing against there own country. No one would do it period. Maybe you haven't seen and heard them. I have. They...not one but several...were the straws that blew that camel's back apart at the seams for me.

Sheared nothing. Sick rich people telling us one thing and doing another. The reason that so many didn't say anything is that they feared for their cushy positions. Cowards.

Too easy! And I believed the official story, too, until I had the facts.

Get a grip on reality or stop lying to yourself or stop lying to everyone else here.

I'd love to engage in a meaningful discussion with the "truther". This site is beginning to sicken me...like months ago.:(
 
... Sheared the bolts is the theory of dolts. Got some and given it back. ...
Do you have a list of the dolts? What is your point and how does it help relative to the OP? Was this a one time hit and run post because your evidence was eaten by your dog when you dropped the cookie cutter? Did you eat your sample of thermite from Dr Jones instead of processing it?

You are the person who posted the failed thermite ideas and supported Jones insane conclusions about 911. 7 years of your failed moronic conclusions on 911 can lead to posts of failed opinions void of evidence and facts. Proved again 5:57 PM over 7 years after 911.
 
Cookie cutter collision vids and stills prove it's not a plane but a figment of some rich peoples' sick twisted power-mad fantasy to hold sway over the lives of those not in the know.

ROFL

Sheared the bolts is the theory of dolts. Got some and given it back.

ROFL

The plane does not twist but it goes in sideways. It does not bend, though it is mostly aluminum. It does not crack though it is impacting what is essentially a solid steel wall. The engines? Sure. Possible. The rest of the wings? Forgive me for scoffing at your scoffing. The tail? Cardboard would stand up as well.

Thats some convincing analysis there :oldroll:

You don't need to be a structural engineer to understand basic physics from high school or just reading science journals on your own in your spare time. This is like a 150 lb (what I weigh) football player smacking into the 300 lb (forget the metric system here) Mr. William "Refrigerator" Perry full tilt. You will wink-wink, nudge-nudge him and that's about it. I have no delusions as to how that match up would come out. it's not like martial arts where you're going for stuns to pressure points. I would bounce off of "The Fridge" like nobody's bidness, you bet. Played a little f-ball against bigger fellas so I think I would know that. Hit 'em just right and they might topple, but that's pain talking.

Wow....what a great analogy for the WTC :oldroll:

Too bad you don't understand basic physics...

Buildings don't feel pain. There are no pressure points. Once a rivet is in place with its buddies in the other joints you might as well say it's part of the whole. You're trying (and not successfully at all) to imply that the bolts/welds/rivets all sheared at the same time so we get this effect of a cookie cutter collision (came out the other side and disintegrated in some vids) that is really just an optical illusion. Is that what you're saying? Really?

ROFL What the heck are you babbling about?

Rudy Giuliani said the buildings imploded and he was surprised as anyone. I'll bet. He said it again on a talk show. Excuse me?

:oldroll:

Just where are you going with this?

Thats what we were wondering about this insane post.....

Why do no plane videos even exist with ongoing commentators who don't even mention planes.

Why do no truthers exist without insane ideas and piss poor analysis?

Take a video with a plane in it...a real plane. You must delete the plane from each and every frame or make a vid from exactly the same angle and cut in the building exploding in the frames where "impact" occurs from the exact same angle as the official story cameras with the same clouds in the background. No one with any amount of a clue would do such a thing against there own country. No one would do it period. Maybe you haven't seen and heard them. I have. They...not one but several...were the straws that blew that camel's back apart at the seams for me.

What in the name of Zeus are you talking about?

Sheared nothing. Sick rich people telling us one thing and doing another. The reason that so many didn't say anything is that they feared for their cushy positions. Cowards.

Proof?

Oh thats right......you can't prove ANY of this nonsense...

Who needs proof when they know the troof?

Too easy! And I believed the official story, too, until I had the facts.

:dl:

Get a grip on reality or stop lying to yourself or stop lying to everyone else here.

H o w I r o n i c

I'd love to engage in a meaningful discussion with the "truther". This site is beginning to sicken me...like months ago.:(

Meaningful discussion with a truther? ROFL Everyone has been waiting for that one...

Post. Has. So. Much. Irony.
 

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finalmessenger and his "problems". here is his personal youtube video.

for their entertainment value I recommend reading finalmessengers other posts as well. Hoo boy you certainly have your problems. don't you FM? How many times do you allege you were beat up now?

Oh my word.
 
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Cookie cutter collision vids and stills prove it's not a plane but a figment of some rich peoples' sick twisted power-mad fantasy to hold sway over the lives of those not in the know.

Sheared the bolts is the theory of dolts. Got some and given it back.

The plane does not twist but it goes in sideways. It does not bend, though it is mostly aluminum. It does not crack though it is impacting what is essentially a solid steel wall. The engines? Sure. Possible. The rest of the wings? Forgive me for scoffing at your scoffing. The tail? Cardboard would stand up as well.

You don't need to be a structural engineer to understand basic physics from high school or just reading science journals on your own in your spare time. This is like a 150 lb (what I weigh) football player smacking into the 300 lb (forget the metric system here) Mr. William "Refrigerator" Perry full tilt. You will wink-wink, nudge-nudge him and that's about it. I have no delusions as to how that match up would come out. it's not like martial arts where you're going for stuns to pressure points. I would bounce off of "The Fridge" like nobody's bidness, you bet. Played a little f-ball against bigger fellas so I think I would know that. Hit 'em just right and they might topple, but that's pain talking.

Buildings don't feel pain. There are no pressure points. Once a rivet is in place with its buddies in the other joints you might as well say it's part of the whole. You're trying (and not successfully at all) to imply that the bolts/welds/rivets all sheared at the same time so we get this effect of a cookie cutter collision (came out the other side and disintegrated in some vids) that is really just an optical illusion. Is that what you're saying? Really?

Rudy Giuliani said the buildings imploded and he was surprised as anyone. I'll bet. He said it again on a talk show. Excuse me?

Just where are you going with this?

Why do no plane videos even exist with ongoing commentators who don't even mention planes.

Take a video with a plane in it...a real plane. You must delete the plane from each and every frame or make a vid from exactly the same angle and cut in the building exploding in the frames where "impact" occurs from the exact same angle as the official story cameras with the same clouds in the background. No one with any amount of a clue would do such a thing against there own country. No one would do it period. Maybe you haven't seen and heard them. I have. They...not one but several...were the straws that blew that camel's back apart at the seams for me.

Sheared nothing. Sick rich people telling us one thing and doing another. The reason that so many didn't say anything is that they feared for their cushy positions. Cowards.

Too easy! And I believed the official story, too, until I had the facts.

Get a grip on reality or stop lying to yourself or stop lying to everyone else here.

I'd love to engage in a meaningful discussion with the "truther". This site is beginning to sicken me...like months ago.:(

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apparently this is yours
take it
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Wooh! Damn... I never get the honor of thought out respon-- der well "replies"... Let's see...

Cookie cutter collision vids and stills prove it's not a plane but a figment of some rich peoples' sick twisted power-mad fantasy to hold sway over the lives of those not in the know.
What the hell is this supposed to mean? :eye-poppi
You completely lost me... are you implying that there was a "cookie-cutter imprint exactly outlining the planes? Hello?

Sheared the bolts is the theory of dolts.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! :big:
You're telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about? :dl:
You don't even know what shear failure is...
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~dsl/egr437/class/masonrybeams/shear/behavior.html
http://www.rocscience.com/downloads/unwedge/WebHelp/unwedge/Bolt_Failure_Modes.htm

The plane does not twist but it goes in sideways. It does not bend, though it is mostly aluminum. It does not crack though it is impacting what is essentially a solid steel wall.
You lost me...Was there an actual point buried in this word salad? You're saying the plane was too hollow to make it through the wall? You should consider taking some elementary physics courses, perhaps then you'll think a little more about what mass an velocity contribute to the amount of kinetic energy and impulse the planes actually impacted with. You haven't a clue...

The rest of the wings? Forgive me for scoffing at your scoffing. The tail? Cardboard would stand up as well.
Nobody ever implied that the wings and tail sections penetrated the steel like rod runner imprint. So what exactly are you scoffing at?

I have no delusions as to how that match up would come out. it's not like martial arts where you're going for stuns to pressure points. I would bounce off of "The Fridge" like nobody's bidness, you bet. Played a little f-ball against bigger fellas so I think I would know that. Hit 'em just right and they might topple, but that's pain talking.
Were you moving at half the speed of sound when you attempted this? I don't think so.

Buildings don't feel pain.
O......kaaaaaay....... who in their god given mind said this?

You're trying (and not successfully at all) to imply that the bolts/welds/rivets all sheared at the same time so we get this effect of a cookie cutter collision.
Huh? :eye-poppi :dl:

(came out the other side and disintegrated in some vids) that is really just an optical illusion. Is that what you're saying? Really?
Good question... I'm still trying to figure out what imaginary words you got out my short post. Maybe you can point this out for me... but where do I say I expected a "cookie-cutter imprint":
Actually he's wrong here. The planes didn't "cut" the steel. Their momentum sheared the bolts holding those columns in place. Some of the impacted columns were severely deflected by the impact but not actually 'cut'. The same thing applies to the pentagon; the plane doesn't "cut" through the masonry, it's momentum slams them out of place. That's why rational people don't expect wil-e-coyote cartoon cut outs.

:dl:

Rudy Giuliani said the buildings imploded and he was surprised as anyone. I'll bet. He said it again on a talk show. Excuse me?
And the relevance is................? (I'm waiting anxiously for your bombshell)

Just where are you going with this?

Why do no plane videos even exist with ongoing commentators who don't even mention planes.

Take a video with a plane in it...a real plane. You must delete the plane from each and every frame or make a vid from exactly the same angle and cut in the building exploding in the frames where "impact" occurs from the exact same angle as the official story cameras with the same clouds in the background. No one with any amount of a clue would do such a thing against there own country. No one would do it period. Maybe you haven't seen and heard them. I have. They...not one but several...were the straws that blew that camel's back apart at the seams for me.
You're gonna have to condense all this down to a single point... because it's like you started responding you my reference to shear failure of the bolted connections, and then you went on a complete tangent that became an incoherent word salad that bears no resemblence to a response to the orignal post you were replying to.

Sheared nothing. Sick rich people telling us one thing and doing another. The reason that so many didn't say anything is that they feared for their cushy positions. Cowards.
Now we've gone on a wild tangent into politics.
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Too easy! And I believed the official story, too, until I had the facts.
Those facts must not have been very good ones if you're too busy ranting to me about bolt failure modes being a theory of dolts. You still haven't realized how dumb that comment was after reading this far into this post yet have you?

Get a grip on reality or stop lying to yourself or stop lying to everyone else here.
As a side note, it really doesn't strengthen your position when you're charging into a subject without any concept of the terminology.

This site is beginning to sicken me...like months ago.:(

Here's the Log Out button. Help yourself.
 
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Please guys, please, please, you're going to be sorry if you engage with finalmessenger.
 
What does that have to do with my plan? Thanks for info though.

That's an excellent anecdote finalmessenger... did you take the time to read the resources I provided for your convenience?

http://www.rocscience.com/downloads/unwedge/WebHelp/unwedge/Bolt_Failure_Modes.htm

I looked all I could through your thought out post but didn't see anything about you're new found knowledge. Just didn't want you to forget!

Just went there, sir. Seems fairly comprehensive. I have been there before, though. Thank you for trying to divert my attention from the painfully obvious yet again.

Sold plenty of fasteners in my day working in heavy industrial (and I mean heavy) and automotive and have seen plenty of shearing tests done on them. No total novice here in that regard. I'll say this to that. A bolt will stretch before she'll shear, no matter how hard it is, depending on torque applied and where.

The main problem with the bolt shearing theory is one of uniformity. There's still a hell of a lot of torque that should have made the plane twist to the right then bend at the pivot point according to angle of entry. Others have said similar things. We've all (I assume) seen car crash vids. When irresistible force meets immovable object, unfortunately for the official story pushers a thin aluminum skinned plane in this case just ain't that irresistible, no matter the (impossible) velocity at impact

So there is still the cookie cutter plane to deal with at an angled entry.

Back to ground level.

I still believe my idea about rebuilding a life size model minus many floors to save money is the best way to go. Steel outer wall slats don't even need to be gilded with alum. Make it as cheaply as possible but follow the specs as far as thicknesses of beams and so forth. No plumbing need be installed. Core constructed just as it was. A service elevator will do fine unless you want to get picky about it. Without accouterments I'm sure it can be slapped together for a very reasonable 50 - 100 million. Possibly even less depending on the contractors who would be involved. I think the vast majority would support such a testing facility as the cost would be dwarfed by what is being spent on the wars we're fighting now.

Such a test must be strictly monitored by truly independant organizations. In fact, those gov orgs that had a hand in the leadup to cleanup of any kind during 9/11 should be invited in an observational capacity only despite the fact that they would be petitioned to foot a major part of the bill. They did drop the ball big time and are treating themselves like heroes after all. That much of a penalty should be mandatory.

Security monitors security monitors security 24/7 during construction. Careful screening is essential. And parties involved or suspected in the actual 9/11 incident must be barred from the process. That means practically whole countries have very little input, but for monetary (mandatory or they instantly become prime suspects for obstruction), in the process. A reimbursement schedule can be arranged should the test not go according to the expectations of truthers and that becomes necessary. Don't want to hurt too many widdow feewings.

This means firms with US, Israeli, British, any Arab, Palestinian, Pakistani connections have extremely limited, monitored input which would be mostly monetary and very mandatory. Zero contribution means PRIME SUSPECT! Why not contribute if you're going to get the money back guaranteed? Every contribution will be vetted for viability by all parties involved. Redundant security measures in place, naturally. Them watching us watching them.

Next we get a special remote controlled 75/67 , whichever, carefully monitored for explosives being snuck on board by more redundant independant security firms on and off board right up to take off loaded with fuel. Cameras everywhere naturally.

The first thing I'll bet we see is that the plane is so difficult to control at the reported speeds on that day the remote pilot will have to throttle back or dump it, because that is exactly what will happen due to wind shear at sea level. Then the world will see what should have really happened that day. Part of the plane may penetrate. The rest will essentially scrunch into a flat aluminum pancake of flame and fall to the ground in a not too widespread heap. Hey we finally get pancake.

A plane that does dump due to loss of yaw control at high speed will be considered a completed test. Truthers win in that case. Then there'll be a lot o' "splainin' ta do. I'm sure there will also be a lot of crying and wailing, shooting, more killings, Bombings galore...but at least Israel will have lost her influence on pretty much anyone. Did I say Israel? I meant the Zionists who believe the Bible gave them Israel. The other Jews can stay wherever they want pretty much.

Truthers. Hmmm. Well I guess we can call the other side's people Liars to balance out the teams fairly. So call me a truther and make me smile then. Whad a' ya' gonna do?

Why I'd even throw in the first million as start up cap if I had the money that JREF owes me (despite the nonsense of “your a mental/liar” excuses being tossed around by forum "participants" against me). That's how important I believe such a test would be to the welfare of all those who have been given no say through the sham voting process that our fabled leaders call democracy.

Remember, engineers test for failure rates of new heavy industrial products constantly. They literally spend fortunes constantly chasing down the causes of said sheared bolts and sagging beams. Guessing about such things after the fact is and should never be an option. Just because WTC was an existing product should make it no exception, considering all the mystery surrounding the events of that day. I don't love a mystery. I hate mysteries. What I love about mysteries is solving them. This is still (well not to me as I'm sure I know who did it as well as others) a mystery that people have hated since it happened and they also would love to solve it. Taking the government's word for anything nowadays and well, any days for that matter, is not an option. Never was. That word was forced upon we the masses. That word was meant for the gullible.

Meanwhile, the ones who actually did it are just hoping the mystery haters will become so sick of waiting for the ending that they start to leave the theatre by boring us to death with inanities. Tough to do when caskets and damaged people (in mind and body) keep coming home but they try to bore us anyway. Sports anyone? I played plenty when I was younger. Even have some medals and trophies to show for it. I don't wonder how Brad and Angelina and Jen's non-triangle isn't going in a non-nosy kind of way, too. Not important in the least. Leaving this theatre that is still filled with doubters truly would be a disaster that will only lead to ever more sickening consequences. Bet on it.

Everyone has to work to make a living. Why should I be forced to work for a jerk or serve jerks if i don't want to put up with it and them anymore. Tooooooo many examples to list here. But at least I've tried. You still haven't seen a fraction of what I've written.

Violent people keep trying to push and drag this nonviolent man, yours truly, into their thoughtless sphere. Makes me sick in a big way.:boxedin:

Oh well, p break.

KCG
 
Flattered

fm, I was skeptical at first, but now I'm convinced: you are probably one of the most lucid and knowledgeable truthers out there.

Loved your video also. Keep up the good work! You're almost there....:cool:

I appreciate that if it isn't sarcasm. Never know with this site. Not anything new really. Just said it my way as old blue eyes might have put it.

Take care.:)

PS. Which vid do you mean?
 
Who's blabbering about what?
Good question. This is a conspiracy theory forum, not a forum for pseudo intellectuals to pontificate mindlessly attempting to impress.

I suggest if you have a conspiracy theory to talk about, talk about it, preferably without all the extraneous self-aggrandizing ********, because at this point, that's all I'm seeing.
 
Just went there, sir. Seems fairly comprehensive. I have been there before, though. Thank you for trying to divert my attention from the painfully obvious yet again.

Sold plenty of fasteners in my day working in heavy industrial (and I mean heavy) and automotive and have seen plenty of shearing tests done on them. No total novice here in that regard. I'll say this to that. A bolt will stretch before she'll shear, no matter how hard it is, depending on torque applied and where.

The main problem with the bolt shearing theory is one of uniformity. There's still a hell of a lot of torque that should have made the plane twist to the right then bend at the pivot point according to angle of entry. Others have said similar things. We've all (I assume) seen car crash vids. When irresistible force meets immovable object, unfortunately for the official story pushers a thin aluminum skinned plane in this case just ain't that irresistible, no matter the (impossible) velocity at impact

So there is still the cookie cutter plane to deal with at an angled entry.

Back to ground level.

I still believe my idea about rebuilding a life size model minus many floors to save money is the best way to go.
KCG

maybe you should try turning some wrenches
hardware salesman isnt a technician (far from)
you might feel different if youve seen failures of all different types in the field

your life size model would horrify survivors, families, and witnesses
no one wants to see that again
the NIST made a full scale model virtually where it can be studied more effectively

Good question. This is a conspiracy theory forum, not a forum for pseudo intellectuals to pontificate mindlessly attempting to impress.

I suggest if you have a conspiracy theory to talk about, talk about it, preferably without all the extraneous self-aggrandizing ********, because at this point, that's all I'm seeing.

indeed

The cake IS NOT A LIE!

valve said:
This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake.
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are still alive.
 
Oh. Crap. I thought this thread was "massage from a truther". And I was feeling a little tense, too.
 

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