Most Republicans Are Birthers?

Kritikos said:
You offer mere suspicion as if it were proof of something. I named the organization and provided a link to its Web site. If it's partisan, it should not be hard to find evidence of the fact -- I mean, other evidence than the fact that you don't like its findings.
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I tried to view website of the agency,but it is so bad,that it is unusable.

I don't know then,I cannot get their page to display proprely to see history and since I saw how our poll companies work,I don't trust the results,yet.

Results are from collected numbers one thing,but to see if they are representative,we need to have some more ,from different companies and ordered by different enitites.

We have three major poll-ag. and their findings are often a lot varying depending on who conducted them/who wanted them and who presents(spin) them. I strongly doubt that it is different in USA or any other country(be it democracy or totalitarian regime).

BTW from their website-About us:
http://research2000.us/about/

What separates us from other firms is that we “LISTEN” to our clients. By listening, and consulting with our clients we develop and design the most effective research strategy that will accurately define and measure what our clients need to know. When we speak, we tell you what you need to know, not what you want to hear. See our Services Page for more information on what we do.
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I think that it is same as here.And we consider those various polls usually as worthless...

And second BTW:You have missread me.I didn't say partisan.I say they tailor them to client.See bolded...
And their refferencies are unkown to me.(I know CNN but don't watch it.)

NOTE:When I say "here" or "we" I reffer to Czech Republic!

To finish. Everybody should wait for more polls as this one can be wrong.
(One poll doesn't spell toll ;) )
 
Dr Adequate said:
Yes. Don't get angry though. Laugh.

If you don't find right-wing paranoia funny it'll drive you as nuts as it's driven them.
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Sorry, my friend. I can't laugh anymore.

When a Congressman's town hall meeting is hijacked by shouting wingnuts and the leaders can't stop it, when a senator and a cabinet secretary are shouted down at a public meeting in Philadelphia, the situation has stopped being funny.

Somehow, it's become acceptable for adults to behave like unruly schoolchildren. Perhaps that's because it's how grown ups on the news and opinion shows behave these days. Maybe that's just how most folks act when the economy's bad and the air is full of lies, I don't know.

But it's bad times.

If it were just a few fringers standing up at meetings and being escorted out, a handful of Truthers and Holocaust deniers on the streetcorners, I wouldn't be worried. But when there are enough people on the right and left who feel that shouting and refusing to listen and disrupting public meetings is a good thing, then the clouds are dark indeed. Especially now, when our challenges are great, and we need cool heads, compromise, and communication to solve them.

Governments are like economies -- they can be killed by a lack of confidence, regardless of the reality.
 
Minadin said:
The best thing that the Republicans could do, as a whole, is to make some effort to debunk these ideas - make a statement about exactly how they are loony, and disavow any connection to these myths. You might alienate some of your base, but who are they gonna vote for, Ron Paul?
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Er ... yes. Yes, they will.
 
Hokulele said:
Yes. The state is celebrating the 50th anniversary of Admissions Day a little later this month.

http://www.hawaiistatehoodconference.com/
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Even at the mighty JREF, it takes an actual Hawaii resident to be able to answer a mid-basic geogaphy/civics question.

Just a reminder for when we get too heady. hey, I didn't know either, I thought it was like 62, and Elvis was like the state bird or something, for the first year or two? Maybe that's mixed up. :)
 
Caustic Logic said:
Even at the mighty JREF, it takes an actual Hawaii resident to be able to answer a mid-basic geogaphy/civics question.
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To be fair, we have heard about it endlessly since the beginning of the year. Pretty much every local news source has had a story on it, and it will be getting worse as the anniversary gets closer.

At least we get the day off from work! :D

Just a reminder for when we get too heady. hey, I didn't know either, I thought it was like 62, and Elvis was like the state bird or something, for the first year or two? Maybe that's mixed up. :)
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Nah, the state bird is the Boeing 767. Gotta get those tourist dollars!
 
And Hawai'i's state fish is the humuhumunukunukuapua'a.

I get a little warm in my heart every time I think of that.
 
Minadin said:
The best thing that the Republicans could do, as a whole, is to make some effort to debunk these ideas - make a statement about exactly how they are loony, and disavow any connection to these myths. You might alienate some of your base, but who are they gonna vote for, Ron Paul?
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As a conservative the birther issue is no different than the spew of bull, the wacks in the far right have been spewing out the mouth about Obama being a closet muslim. The same immaturity is what causes the political mud slinging both via the politicians themselves and the media here. To be honest, I'm tired of this kind of crap boiling in politics, it seems all of the conspiracies over Obama's nationality and the fuel it adds to the wacko left's rantings have taken precedent over real debates concerning policy, where it belongs.

On the side, if those whacks hate Obama so much and they hate how the more moderate conservative base receives them, you're right... perhaps they should go third party. ;)
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
On the side, if those whacks hate Obama so much and they hate how the more moderate conservative base receives them, you're right... perhaps they should go third party.
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Yeah, but what would that leave us? Couldn't muster up enough votes to buy a cheese pizza after that.
 
When a Congressman's town hall meeting is hijacked by shouting wingnuts and the leaders can't stop it, when a senator and a cabinet secretary are shouted down at a public meeting in Philadelphia, the situation has stopped being funny.

Somehow, it's become acceptable for adults to behave like unruly schoolchildren. Perhaps that's because it's how grown ups on the news and opinion shows behave these days. Maybe that's just how most folks act when the economy's bad and the air is full of lies, I don't know.
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It's thugs trying to win by force and intimidation what they have been unable to win at the ballot box. And yet they cry "freedom" while trying to force their will on the rest of us.

The "other interests" board of a hobby site I read frequently has been taken over by the birthers. Since I've been in this club for some years now I know them. Funny how the birthers are the same crowd of uber-right-wingers* that are also open bigots known for their frequent use of n****r and other racist terms...


*note that I did not say conservatives. some of my best buddies in this club are conservatives. We know each other's politics, agree to disagree, and since we enjoy collecting as a means to get away from things like politics, we simply don't discuss it.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
To be honest, I'm tired of this kind of crap boiling in politics, it seems all of the conspiracies over Obama's nationality and the fuel it adds to the wacko left's rantings have taken precedent over real debates concerning policy, where it belongs.
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Ah yes, of course. With your customary acumen, you have put your finger on the crux of the problem: the "wacko left's rantings". We were almost beginning to lose sight of the real issue here.
 
This week's "Newsweek" has a full page with what appears to be an official Hawaiian birth certificate of the lad.
No doubt "photoshopped". :)
 
I Ratant said:
This week's "Newsweek" has a full page with what appears to be an official Hawaiian birth certificate of the lad.
No doubt "photo-shopped". :)
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Of course the "birth" certificate is photo-shopped, Obama himself is just a hologram.
 
The blonde, russian woman lawyer has a copy of the "real" birth certificate. Anyone seen it?

Is the Birther conspiracy really just a veiled racist movement?
 
brodski said:
Of course the "birth" certificate is photo-shopped, Obama himself is just a hologram.
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Or...
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I just got a buncha this type of thing from the conservative branch of the family.
 

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thaiboxerken said:
The blonde, russian woman lawyer has a copy of the "real" birth certificate. Anyone seen it?

Is the Birther conspiracy really just a veiled racist movement?
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Yes.
Color and religion trump the lack of political experience and the trip through the corrupt Illinois political system.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Where's the conspiracy? Surely some element of secrecy is implied by the word?

Bush, quite openly, went to the Supreme Court and demanded that they stop the votes from being counted. Do you deny it? They, non-secretly, acceded to his demand by a one vote margin. Do you deny it?
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That wasn't the only allegation made by people who claimed he stole the election. The conspiracy was bigger that that.

Dr Adequate said:
It amuses me to see conservatives still whining on about this after all these years. I've heard of sore losers, but ... you guys got exactly what you wanted. You didn't want the votes to be counted, and, oh look! --- they weren't counted. You wanted Bush for President, and that's just what you got. Er ... congratulations? I never hear my liberal friends griping about this any more, but nine years later conservatives still have a deep sense of grievance, because they got everything they wanted but some people complained.

Get over it. Move on.
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It amuses me to see people like you making a fool of yourself like this.

I brought up the conspiracy allegations from then to ask how the number of people who bought into that conspiracy compared to the number of people who bought into this conspiracy. You going off on a tangent to beat up on the strawman conservative you so obviously hate is just funny.
 
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