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Michael Medved smacks down birfers

Couple more data points here.

Huffington Post Blogger says the only thing weirder than the Obama Birthers are the Anti-Birthers.



Andrew Sullivan, who pushed the Trig Truther story last year signs up as one of those who wants to see the birth certificate:



New Kos poll shows that 28% of Republicans (and 4% of Democrats) think Obama was born outside the US.

The poll also shows a significant geographic difference; Southerners (23%) were far more likely to say Obama was born outside the US than those from the Northeast (4%), the Midwest (6%) or the West (7%).

Of course, Democrats had their own problem with conspiracy theorists back in 2007, so it's not as if the Birther "problem" is an insurmountable obstacle to winning back the White House.

As long as the GOP is contributing to its own implosion (not really sure if that's true yet) with the birther nonsense, there's no way the White House would or should consider releasing anything, even if the anti-birthers wanted them to.
 
Mark Reardon, a rather conservative talk-show host here in St. Louis, has been lamenting / ridiculing 'birthers' for a while now, and today he did a segment on how silly the notion is, and how it hurts Republicans and conservatives in general, because of this incident:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/po...lunt-on-birthers-barack-obama-born-in-us-but/

Hopefully he'll have audio up tomorrow that I can link. It was a really funny segment for a show that's usually about politics.


Sadly, Reardon might be a voice in the wilderness.
The Birther crap seems on the verge of mainstreaming in the conservative movement. If that happens, look for a lot of polticians and media personalities who are so far ignroing it to jump on the band wagon.
I am pretty sure it is only a matter of time before one of the more wackjob GOP House Members introduces a resolution about it.If fact, it might have already happened,since I don't follow what the nutcase wing of the party does on a case by case basis....
 
Sadly, Reardon might be a voice in the wilderness.
The Birther crap seems on the verge of mainstreaming in the conservative movement. If that happens, look for a lot of polticians and media personalities who are so far ignroing it to jump on the band wagon.I am pretty sure it is only a matter of time before one of the more wackjob GOP House Members introduces a resolution about it.If fact, it might have already happened,since I don't follow what the nutcase wing of the party does on a case by case basis....

This is precisely my concern, especially with Rush Limbaugh talking the nonsense he is these days on this non-issue.

It's like how the religious right hijacked the GOP, but now the birthers are coming knocking. By catering to the birthers, some of those politicians might help themselves in Republican primaries, but I predict that it'll hurt the party overall.

Of course, this could also just add to the continuing vilification within the GOP of those who "aren't real Republicans", thus causing the party to become even more extreme and loony.

Good grief, the GOP these days is turning into an absolute freakshow :boggled:
 
This is precisely my concern, especially with Rush Limbaugh talking the nonsense he is these days on this non-issue.

It's like how the religious right hijacked the GOP, but now the birthers are coming knocking. By catering to the birthers, some of those politicians might help themselves in Republican primaries, but I predict that it'll hurt the party overall.

Of course, this could also just add to the continuing vilification within the GOP of those who "aren't real Republicans", thus causing the party to become even more extreme and loony.

Good grief, the GOP these days is turning into an absolute freakshow :boggled:

We're definitely in the downward spiral. The economy shows signs of leaving the downward spiral and approaching a stabilization or rebound, but the Republican Party's vicious circle seems to be intensifying.

When so few party members feel that it's even possible for them to publicly object to this kind of nonsense, it's a clear sign that the rabble has, for all intents and purposes, taken control.

We're facing a purge of those who are not beholden to the ignorant mob.

This is not just a threat to the party, it's a threat to the nation.

Back when McCain chose Palin and she went out on her pitchfork rallies, costing the Republican ticket the independent vote -- which was the only vote that mattered at that point -- I told my Democrat friends that the real story to watch in the coming year would be the trajectory of the GOP, and whether they opted to continue whoring around with the basest of the "base", or developed a new strategy to transform the party by forming larger coalitions.

Their reaction to the financial crisis -- the "let 'em fail" rhetoric, support for a stimulus consisting entirely of tax cuts, etc. -- indicated that they were taking the former path, and now they seem to have gone too far down that road to back up.
 
Bill Maher's take:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-maher31-2009jul31,0,622151.story?vote48379954=1

From the Los Angeles Times

'Birthers' must be stopped

No matter how dumb, the people who are questioning whether Obama was born in the U.S. could eventually cause real problems.
By Bill Maher

July 31, 2009

Never underestimate the ability of a tiny fringe group of losers to ruin everything.

For the last couple of weeks, we've all been laughing heartily at the wacky antics of the "birthers" -- the far-right goofballs who claim Barack Obama wasn't really born in Hawaii and therefore the job of president goes to the runner-up, former Miss California Carrie Prejean.

Also, when Obama was sworn in as president, he forgot to give his answer in the form of a question.

And yet, every week, the chorus of conservatives demanding to see his birth certificate grows. It's like they're the Cambridge police, Obama's in his house -- the White House -- and they need to see some ID.

And there's nothing anyone can do to convince these folks. You could hand them, in person, the original birth certificate and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background ... and they still wouldn't believe it.

Which raises the question: Why, in this country, is it always the religious right that won't take anything on faith?

So far, the reaction from Democrats is to laugh this off, and I understand why. If you seriously believe that President Obama is an African sleeper spy, get out of your chat room and have your house tested for lead.

But we live in America, and in America, if you don't immediately kill arrant nonsense, no matter how ridiculous, it can grow and thrive and eventually take over, like crab grass or reality shows about fat people.

This flap might be a deluded right-wing obsession that is a total waste of time, but so was Whitewater, and look where that ended up. A handful of Republican operatives, enraged at Bill Clinton's unprecedented economic growth and budget surpluses, found a woman named Paula Jones, which led to a woman named Monica Lewinsky, which gave me enough material to eventually be able to buy a big house in Bel-Air. Which I'm still conflicted about.

More recently we had the Swift Boat allegations against John Kerry, in which Kerry was accused of volunteering to serve in Vietnam so he could jump in front of a bullet so he could get a medal and then throw it away to satisfy his urge to insult real Americans. This was so stupid that Kerry refused to even discuss it.

And we all know how well that worked out.

And once these stories get out there, they're hard to stamp out because our media do such a lousy job of speaking truth to stupid. Vietnam, Iraq and the Spanish-American War were all sold on lies that were unchallenged or even abetted by the media. Clinton got impeached and Kerry got destroyed in large part because the media didn't have the guts to say, "This is nonsense."

Lou Dobbs has been saying recently that people are asking a lot of questions about the birth certificate. Yes, the same people who want to know where the sun goes at night.

And Lou, you're their new king.

That's why it's so important that we the few, the proud, the reality-based attack this stuff before it has a chance to fester and spread. This isn't a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It's sentient beings versus the lizard people, and it is to them I offer this deal: I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma.
 
We're definitely in the downward spiral. The economy shows signs of leaving the downward spiral and approaching a stabilization or rebound, but the Republican Party's vicious circle seems to be intensifying.

When so few party members feel that it's even possible for them to publicly object to this kind of nonsense, it's a clear sign that the rabble has, for all intents and purposes, taken control.

We're facing a purge of those who are not beholden to the ignorant mob.

This is not just a threat to the party, it's a threat to the nation.

Back when McCain chose Palin and she went out on her pitchfork rallies, costing the Republican ticket the independent vote -- which was the only vote that mattered at that point -- I told my Democrat friends that the real story to watch in the coming year would be the trajectory of the GOP, and whether they opted to continue whoring around with the basest of the "base", or developed a new strategy to transform the party by forming larger coalitions.

Their reaction to the financial crisis -- the "let 'em fail" rhetoric, support for a stimulus consisting entirely of tax cuts, etc. -- indicated that they were taking the former path, and now they seem to have gone too far down that road to back up.

As one of those independents that the Republicans chased away by choosing Sarah Palin, I am getting less likely to consider voting Republican in the next mid-term election the longer the party leadership remains silent on this.
Where is the RNC Chairman on this, or has he totally conceded that he doesn't have the power to say something like: "This nonsense is harmful to the nation, so stop!" and have it actually mean something within his party? :eek:
 
Where is the RNC Chairman on this, or has he totally conceded that he doesn't have the power to say something like: "This nonsense is harmful to the nation, so stop!" and have it actually mean something within his party? :eek:

He conceded when he allowed himself to be publicly spanked by Rush Limbaugh, then followed up with what amounted to "Thank you, sir, may I have another".

The only clear voice I'm hearing on this issue at the moment from party heavyweights is coming from Colin Powell, who has also directly criticized the GOP leadership for not publicly disavowing this (and other) nonsense.

As a result, Powell is being called a RINO and there are loud shouts from the gallery for him to follow Specter out of the party.

It's chickens coming home to roost, I'm afraid.

I trace it back to Dubya's campaign strategy when he worked for his father. He advised Bush Sr., correctly, that they could increase their market share if they pulled resources away from courting the Catholic vote and instead aggressively pursued the fundamentalist/evangelical vote.

And of course, post-Clinton, the Bush-Rove team pressed this strategy even harder, and coupled it with deplorable campaign tactics such as swiftboating and the whisper campaigns.

McCain avoided these excesses at first, but all of that went out the window when he brought Rove protege Steve Schmidt on board as campaign manager. Schmidt, unfortunately, had all of Rove's amoral zeal for dirty tricks but none of his sensitivity for the lay of the political landscape. Amazingly, he pushed a cookie-cutter strategy borrowed from the Dubya campaigns, and McCain, to his great discredit, gave the green light.

So they went and got Palin, who had no right being on the ticket for any national office in the first place, and set her loose to "energize the base". Her rallies -- rather sparsely but quite enthusiastically attended -- were, as we know, a running horror show of lies, distortions, and pandering to the basest emotions of the conspiracy-theorist lunatic fringe of the party, where shouts of "Terrorist!" and "Kill him!" from the bleachers were accepted without so much as the flutter of an eyelash.

It was hard to believe what I was hearing when she told her little mobs that, under Obama, their property would cease to be theirs and would instead be owned by the government.

Independents and a lot of moderate Republicans headed for the exits and McCain was handed an embarrassing loss.

So there they were. Out of the White House and a minority in both chambers.

On a party level, clearly the way out of that hole was to get busy re-building coalitions, and the most immediate targets of that effort were obviously the moderate and swing voters they had lost because of Palin, and the business constituency that had long been a key component of their former winning coalitions. And they took at least one step in that direction by giving Palin the Judas treatment in the media.

But since the failure of Lehman Brothers had caused the global economy to seize up, courting the business community meant approving some sort of bailout.

At this point, most of the Republicans left in office owed their seats to the torch and pitchfork crowd. So although it made sense, as a party, to take the risky step of backing away from the fringers and attempting a radical restructuring, the majority of office holders knew that doing so would be suicide for them.

So we were treated to a Republican chorus of "Let 'em fail" and an alternate stimulus bill consisting entirely of tax cuts.

As if that were not bad enough, a little media tiff with Limbaugh, egged on by high-profile Democrats, blew up into a full scale showdown. The party leadership blinked, leaving Rush crowing like a rooster on top of the hill.

The party was now beholden to the mob.

As if more proof were needed, we were subsequently treated to the dog and pony show which was the Sotomayor hearings where what could have been spun as a Republican victory -- a restrained jurist who would not move the court to the left -- became instead a potential sacrifice of many remaining hispanic votes in 2010 and 2012. Instead of proclaiming that Obama had decided to dance to their tune, they went on the attack, dragged out the "activist judge" slur (a favorite hot-button charge) and in the end even senators who had intended to vote for Sotomayor could not get away with it.

And that's where we are now.

So I think the reason we're not hearing voices of rationality and restraint from GOP poobahs is that they're no longer in control. They're subject now to the whims of their remaining constituents, who feed on a steady diet of Limbaugh, Norquist, and Beck.

Powell does not have to put up with that junk, so he's free to call it as he sees it. But few other players in the party have that luxury now.
 
As one of those independents that the Republicans chased away by choosing Sarah Palin, I am getting less likely to consider voting Republican in the next mid-term election the longer the party leadership remains silent on this.
Where is the RNC Chairman on this, or has he totally conceded that he doesn't have the power to say something like: "This nonsense is harmful to the nation, so stop!" and have it actually mean something within his party? :eek:

Another registered Republican, JoeyDonuts I think, stated that he's getting so sick of this birther nonsense from the right and the lack of GOP leadership opposing it that he's actually going to change his party affiliation. He's decided to become a Blue-Dog Democrat.

Not a good time for the GOP to be losing registered members or the support of independents. Sadly, it's only going to make those who remain behind even more powerful within the party, and the GOP will get even more stoopid.
 
More trouble ahead for the GOP. It seems that during the August recess the birthers are planning on, as I predicted, going after Republican Congress-critters when they appear in public forums...

GOP headache: The birther issue
As GOP Rep. Mike Castle learned the hard way back home in Delaware this month, there’s no easy way to deal with the small but vocal crowd of right-wing activists who refuse to believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States.

At a town hall meeting in Georgetown, a woman demanded to know why Castle and his colleagues were “ignoring” questions about Obama’s birth certificate — questions that have been put to rest repeatedly by state officials in Hawaii, where the birth certificate and all other credible evidence show that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.

When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, “a citizen of the United States,” the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The video went viral; by Sunday, it had been viewed on YouTube more than half a million times.

And birthers say members should expect more of the same in the coming weeks.
“Absolutely,” says California resident Orly Taitz, the Russian-born attorney/dentist who has become a kind of ringleader for the movement. “It is a very important issue, one that politicians should have taken up a long time ago.”

Moments after speaking with POLITICO Saturday, Taitz posted a call to arms on her blog:

“I believe it is a serious concern and I hope that each and every decent American comes to town hall meetings with a video camera and demands action,” she wrote.

Wow, this is going to be interesting. Like watching a train wreck in slow motion...
 
Orly Taitz was on the Cobert Report the other night and he poked fun at her for comparing the Obama administration to the Nazis. She also compared Obama to Stalin.

Anyone who thinks Obama is like Stalin isn't going to be satisfied with any birth certificate presented...and doesn't know anything about Stalin!
 
Anyone who thinks Obama is like Stalin isn't going to be satisfied with any birth certificate presented...and doesn't know anything about Stalin!

You didn't know that FEMA is building concentration camps?

Glenn Beck even tried to debunk it, but it turns out, he couldn't!

(I'm not making that up -- people believe this.)
 
I trace it back to Dubya's campaign strategy when he worked for his father. He advised Bush Sr., correctly, that they could increase their market share if they pulled resources away from courting the Catholic vote and instead aggressively pursued the fundamentalist/evangelical vote.

And of course, post-Clinton, the Bush-Rove team pressed this strategy even harder, and coupled it with deplorable campaign tactics such as swiftboating and the whisper campaigns.

McCain avoided these excesses at first, but all of that went out the window when he brought Rove protege Steve Schmidt on board as campaign manager. Schmidt, unfortunately, had all of Rove's amoral zeal for dirty tricks but none of his sensitivity for the lay of the political landscape. Amazingly, he pushed a cookie-cutter strategy borrowed from the Dubya campaigns, and McCain, to his great discredit, gave the green light.

1. This is way too political for the conspiracy theory section. Mattus has started several threads on the Birther phenomenon in the political section; if you want to discuss the political aspects of the CT, do it there.

2. The bit about Steve Schmidt is quite frankly a joke. Balance your mischaracterization of Schmidt with this post:

Speaking publicly for one of the first times since the end of the presidential campaign, John McCain's campaign manager Steve Schmidt painted a dire portrait of the state of the Republican Party, arguing that the GOP has largely been co-opted by its religious elements.

"If you put public policy issues to a religious test, you risk becoming a religious party," Schmidt declared. "And in a free country, a political party cannot be viable in the long term if it is seen as a sectarian party."

Sounds to me like you'd agree with the real Steve Schmidt whole-heartedly if you weren't trying to paint him as Darth Vader.

3. McCain lost because the economy went south.

End of political rant.
 
1. This is way too political for the conspiracy theory section. Mattus has started several threads on the Birther phenomenon in the political section; if you want to discuss the political aspects of the CT, do it there.

2. The bit about Steve Schmidt is quite frankly a joke. Balance your mischaracterization of Schmidt with this post:

Sounds to me like you'd agree with the real Steve Schmidt whole-heartedly if you weren't trying to paint him as Darth Vader.

3. McCain lost because the economy went south.

End of political rant.

Tracing the roots of a CT is quite apt for a CT thread.

Schmidt isn't Darth Vader, he just made an amazingly dumb miscalculation. When the guard changed, the strategy changed, and it was the wrong strategy -- whip up the base and fight dirty rather than attend to your reputation and make a concerted putsch for the middle.

Schmidt may be having buyer's remorse, and both he and Rove appear to have had come-to-Jesus moments, judging by their current rhetoric.

But that doesn't change the fact that he made the wrong call, and McCain ran the play.

The economic crisis didn't have to doom the McCain campaign. It was his response to it that did him in.

And yes, I think you have to look at Schmidt's strategy, especially how Palin was used, to understand where the party is today and why birtherism is so popular among Republicans and why the party leadership doesn't seem to be able to control it.

It's certainly not the only factor, but it's an important one.

Full disclosure: I was a long-time McCain supporter, and not just in the most recent election cycle. In fact, I made a bet with an Obamista, back when both he and McCain were dark horses, on the outcome of an unlikely McCain-Obama election, which neither of us actually expected would come to pass. In the end (after the selection of Palin and the rollout of McCain's health care scheme) I was forced to withdraw my support. I ended up voting for Obama and losing my bet!
 

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