Moderated Continuation - Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

[FineWine]

Now there are more reputations than T's hanging in the balance. Good man FineWine.

You're just too dumb to play this game, Bill. Yes, the reputations of all serious researchers--physicists, structural engineers, fire safety experts, demolition professionals, seismologists, metallurgists, air traffic controllers, forensic examiners--are on the line. ALL of them reject your idiocy about explosives. Eight years down the road, and your insane movement has produced absolutely NOTHING. Only agenda-driven fools are still waiting for that impossible smoking gun that will overturn the mountain of evidence supporting the mainstream account.

Remember how you got suckered again by Steven Jones and his accomplices last spring, Bill? Well, he didn't have anything then and he won't have anything the next time he makes you jump through hoops. Nothing is happening, Bill. Your side is dead in the water. It's been dead for a long time.

When the engineers at the ASCE journal point out that Heiwa is a fraud and an idiot, he will yelp about the NWO and religious fundamentalists. You will, of course, obey your master and mindlessly agree. But, your insane movement will gain nothing. It can never win because its hate-filled stupidity is no match for reason.

 

[FineWine]

Not really. Nobody has asked about 99.8999999% of them

You've been caught lying again. The dishonest fraud Steve Austin tried this pathetic ploy and got his silly rump handed to him. As tfk pointed out, the total absence of voiced dissent strongly suggests the absence of unvoiced dissent. You lying frauds want us to believe that the community of structural engineers is perfectly content to be complicit in a heinous and utterly pointless crime. There is no reason in the world why that should be the case--as you know.

 

[FineWine]

Serious attempts to make it very simple and easy? lol! WITH EVERY ASSUMPTION TO STOP THE COLLAPSE? LOL!

OK, put all that info together and produce a structure A that will one-way crush down when you drop a part C (C=1/10A) on it. Keep It Simple, Stupid (= KISS).

BTW in civilized Europe engineering universities are free of charge as higher education is seen as a national investment so you don't pay up then ... but later with your taxes. Results are good engineers, like me.

There is no part A. The collapsing floors hit the floors below one at a time--as you know. Stop these lies!

 

[Newtons Bit]

BS, do you even have a coherent theory on my enveloped debunking of Heiwa anymore?

I've knocked down every vain attempt you've thrown up.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

BS, do you even have a coherent theory on my enveloped debunking of Heiwa anymore?

I've knocked down every vain attempt you've thrown up.

If at first he doesn't succeed he redefines the meaning of success... IE he considers his measures a success no matter how maimed they are... Kinda like what Heiwa and all the other CT's are doing...

 

[aggle-rithm]

I would be happy to get into this but I woudn't like to queer the pitch For T.

Aw, darn! I had really gotten my hopes up.

 

[FineWine]

N/o x w(ay) x 2

Once again, we have an example of sheer stupidity masquerading as a smartass comeback. Dave Rogers gave you a correct answer and you couldn't understand it. It's that simple.

 

[FineWine]

In the interests of this important new scientific principle T. has introduced I have taken the liberty of reposting this comment of yours on several forums to ensure a wide readership and disbursement of the information. Complete with links.

This staggeringly stupid post reveals you completely, Bill. Tfk is a real engineer; he knows what he's talking about, and he doesn't claim to have introduced any new scientific principles. You were unable to understand a word he wrote, so you posted his comments on various nut-sites in the hope that he would be mocked by fact-free cretins who share your delusions. What point can you possibly think you're making? He is right and you are wrong. That will always be the case, Bill. You can never win because you're WRONG.

 

[Heiwa]

Uh, Mr. Robot, you've been exposed. The thirteen collapsing floors hit the floor immediately below, crushing it and adding its mass. The process is repeated until the building is gone. THERE IS NO PART A!

There is nothing to arrest the collapses. Stop these insane lies.

According Bazant that you refer to there are three parts C, A and B. C one-way crushes down A into rubble B! C = 1/10 A, B = A_rubble = 0.25A, i.e. original A compacted 4X. At end of first step B then crushes up C, etc, etc. Pls, study the Bazant paper and produce a structure A.

 

[FineWine]

According Bazant that you refer to there are three parts C, A and B. C one-way crushes down A into rubble B! C = 1/10 A, B = A_rubble = 0.25A, i.e. original A compacted 4X. At end of first step B then crushes up C, etc, etc. Pls, study the Bazant paper and produce a structure A.

You couldn't understand Bazant's paper if your life depended on it. Please stop this silly nonsense. Nobody believes you anyway, so what's the sense in continuing to rave? You can keep assigning letters to mythical concepts or you can use alphabet blocks for all I care, but your part A does not exist. Sorry, your scam has been exposed.

The collapsing floors hit exactly ONE floor at a time, the floor immediately below. They do not hit the entire building--NOBODY WILL EVER BELIEVE YOU. The collapsing floors crush the floor they hit and add it to their mass. The process is repeated until the building is gone. This is what happened on 9/11. There were no explosives, and nothing conceivable could arrest the collapses once they began.

I've seen people make fools of themselves by refusing to abandon a refuted hypothesis, but, good grief, you take the cake!

 

[tsig]

Now there are more reputations than T's hanging in the balance. Good man FineWine.

What balance?

 

[FineWine]

What balance?

Bill thinks there is a controversy raging within the engineering community about the cause of the collapses of the towers. He thinks that the explosives myth he and other America-hating loons cling to is a serious hypothesis.

 

[Audible Click]

BTW in civilized Europe engineering universities are free of charge as higher education is seen as a national investment so you don't pay up then ... but later with your taxes. Results are good engineers, like me.

A perfect example of you get what you pay for.

 

[Oscar]

I think Heiwa is rather like the Swedish Chef from the Muppet Show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLADUlwMHTU&feature=related

or even more accurately, Kenny Everett's DIY man Reg Prescott:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF14UmhMPEY

I particularly like the way DIY man labels things without having a clue what he's talking about or the consequences. Pertinent, don't you think? Well, it made me laugh.

 

[Heiwa]

The collapsing floors hit exactly ONE floor at a time, the floor immediately below. They do not hit the entire building--NOBODY WILL EVER BELIEVE YOU. The collapsing floors crush the floor they hit and add it to their mass. The process is repeated until the building is gone.

According Bazant 'the collapsing floors' are assemblied in an upper part C that is rigid, thus they never collapse! They are one 'block'. Rigid!

This funny block, actually part C, then is assumed to impact part A, another assembly of floors that is not rigid. When C impacts the top floor of A, there are 97 floors in A, that poor floor is compacted into a rubble part B!

Rubble part B ... and rigid part C ... then repeat this treatment of A 96 times, i.e. A becomes smaller and smaller and B bigger and bigger until A = 0! Crush down completed!

When A=0, B attacks C, suddenly non-rigid and weak, that becomes part of B. Crush up! When C = 0, crush-up is completed. No core spires, etc, could survive this amazing theory.

Then only big B remains, plenty of rubble, 100 m tall, and POUFF becomes a heap of rubble rubble on ground.

NWO physics of the worst kind. I am sorry to inform you only fools believe in it.

We are still awaiting tfk:s explanation how B is being compacted, etc, etc. I assume tfk is consulting NWO chiefs like Bazant to sort it out?

 

[Oscar]

That's it, I'm going to have a pizza.

 

[aggle-rithm]

According Bazant 'the collapsing floors' are assemblied in an upper part C that is rigid, thus they never collapse! They are one 'block'. Rigid!

...but...but...

According Bazant that you refer to there are three parts C, A and B. C one-way crushes down A into rubble B! C = 1/10 A, B = A_rubble = 0.25A, i.e. original A compacted 4X. At end of first step B then crushes up C, etc, etc. Pls, study the Bazant paper and produce a structure A.

This funny block, actually part C, then is assumed to impact part A, another assembly of floors that is not rigid. When C impacts the top floor of A, there are 97 floors in A, that poor floor is compacted into a rubble part B!

Rubble part B ... and rigid part C ... then repeat this treatment of A 96 times, i.e. A becomes smaller and smaller and B bigger and bigger until A = 0! Crush down completed!

Finally, you're starting to understand!

When A=0, B attacks C, suddenly non-rigid and weak, that becomes part of B. Crush up! When C = 0, crush-up is completed. No core spires, etc, could survive this amazing theory.

Then only big B remains, plenty of rubble, 100 m tall, and POUFF becomes a heap of rubble rubble on ground.

NWO physics of the worst kind. I am sorry to inform you only fools believe in it.

Argument from incredulity.

We are still awaiting tfk:s explanation how B is being compacted, etc, etc. I assume tfk is consulting NWO chiefs like Bazant to sort it out?

There's nothing to sort out. It's really quite simple. The rubble is compacted by thousands of tons of mass pressing down on it from above, combined with the resistance it meets as the whole mess falls on each floor, one by one.

Is it really so difficult for you to understand?

 

[Oscar]

Aggle:

Is it really so difficult for you to understand?

Yes, because he has no interest in understanding the truth. None.

 

[Heiwa]

It's really quite simple. The rubble is compacted by thousands of tons of mass pressing down on it from above, combined with the resistance it meets as the whole mess falls on each floor, one by one.

LOLOL. Please demonstrate this with any structure, let's call it D with a part F dropping on it producing rubble that is compacted E.

 

[aggle-rithm]

LOLOL. Please demonstrate this with any structure, let's call it D with a part F dropping on it producing rubble that is compacted E.

Really, the onus is on you. You are, in effect, claiming that when two objects collide and there is loose material between them, that loose material will not be compacted.

If that were true, then one of the earliest tools created by man -- the mortar and pestle -- would not work.