Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

Marc39 said:
Your post wallows in an alarming level of delusion. In any case, I forced you into conceding youi know nothing about the nakba and that you cannot explain how Israel has been a nakba. And, of course, Israel has not been so. Thus, my work is done.
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quite amusing....you feel you have finally convinced me I am wrong in holding an opinion I don't and never have held? An opinion you keep telling me I have "asserted" but unfortunately you cannot find to quote.

Tell your Israel forum coaches you want to return the failed arguments and get your money back :)

I'm still curious about which is the real marc39...the one on the Israel forum that knows little and begs for help or the one here that knows everything and is a harvard graduate on the subject........come on , don't keep us in suspense.... people are interested :)

I honestly think you would be better to make up a single life history and stick to it. All these different ones littered all over the internet does nothing for your credibility. The sockpuppet on this forum that you were suspended for (where you were a child) was particularly amusing. You told the Israel forum people not to tell Jref members about the place, shall we help you keep your little secret?
 
The Fool said:
quite amusing....you feel you have finally convinced me I am wrong in holding an opinion I don't and never have held? An opinion you keep telling me I have "asserted" but unfortunately you cannot find to quote.

Tell your Israel forum coaches you want to return the failed arguments and get your money back :)

I'm still curious about which is the real marc39...the one on the Israel forum that knows little and begs for help or the one here that knows everything and is a harvard graduate on the subject........come on , don't keep us in suspense.... people are interested :)

I honestly think you would be better to make up a single life history and stick to it. All these different ones littered all over the internet does nothing for your credibility. The sockpuppet on this forum that you were suspended for (where you were a child) was particularly amusing. You told the Israel forum people not to tell Jref members about the place, shall we help you keep your little secret?
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You have been busted. Instead of whining, study the subject matter and I won't have to embarrass you.
 
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Marc39 said:
You have been busted. Instead of whining, study the subject matter and I won't have to embarrass you.
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and thats how Marc really feels now, Busted and embarrassed.

it made my day :)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
and thats how Marc really feels now, Busted and embarrassed.

it made my day :)
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" You all don't understand....Marc39 was victorious...just like we were"

LMAO...
 
Dictator Cheney said:
and the creation of Israel was and is a catastrophe. Look, more than 60 years later there is still a huge armed conflict going on. that is a catastrophe. and some do blame the Israelis or Jews for it, i dont but still it is a catastrophe.
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Arab resistance to and aggression against Israel has repeatedly resulted in "catastrophic" consequences for...Arabs. Maybe, one day, Arabs will learn not to be their own nakba.
 
Marc39 said:
Arab resistance to and aggression against Israel has repeatedly resulted in "catastrophic" consequences for...Arabs. Maybe, one day, Arabs will learn not to be their own nakba.
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what are they resisting Marc39? Maybe the fate you have in mind for them? What is that fate?

what do you think should happen to non jews living west of the Jordan again?
 
The Fool said:
what are they resisting Marc39??
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Historically and intellectually astute people would respond to such a patently inane question that Arabs are resisting a legally created sovereign state established with international urging and recognition, from the Allies of World War I--Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan--to all 51 members of the League of Nations to the UN to both Houses of the US Congress, Winston Churchill, US presidents Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge, Harry Truman and the vast majority of US presidents and political leaders.
 
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Marc39 said:
Historically and intellectually astute people would respond to such a patently inane question that Arabs are resisting a legally created sovereign state established with international urging and recognition, from the Allies of World War I--Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan--to all 51 members of the League of Nations to the UN to both Houses of the US Congress, Winston Churchill, US presidents Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge, Harry Truman and the vast majority of US presidents and political leaders.
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Ok...but on the topic of the Nakba....much of which revolves around displacement of Arabs. In your view should the remaining non Jews west of the Jordan be allowed to stay where they are? Is it unreasonable to expect that those that choose not to leave would resist?

Is there anything they need worry about? Can they stay?

I'm actually not asking about legal opinion as you are much more highly qualified that I am in the legal area having worked as a legal adviser to the US state department (as you claim on Politicalgroove.com). I am interested in your own view...Do you feel they should all just leave?
 
The Fool said:
Ok...but on the topic of the Nakba....much of which revolves around displacement of Arabs. In your view should the remaining non Jews west of the Jordan be allowed to stay where they are? Is it unreasonable to expect that those that choose not to leave would resist?

Is there anything they need worry about? Can they stay?

I'm actually not asking about legal opinion as you are much more highly qualified that I am in the legal area having worked as a legal adviser to the US state department (as you claim on Politicalgroove.com). I am interested in your own view...Do you feel they should all just leave?
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the Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens and pay Israelis taxes. therefore, they should stay right where they are.

if the jewish settlers would also agree to become citizens of Palestine and pay Palestinian taxes, they should also, for the most part, be allowed to stay.

a sizeable Jewish minority in a Palestinian-Arab state could be a good thing.
 
parky76 said:
the Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens and pay Israelis taxes. therefore, they should stay right where they are.

if the jewish settlers would also agree to become citizens of Palestine and pay Palestinian taxes, they should also, for the most part, be allowed to stay.

a sizeable Jewish minority in a Palestinian-Arab state could be a good thing.
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No, I was asking about all Non-Jews west of the Jordan. Should they be allowed to stay where they are?
 
The Fool said:
No, I was asking about all Non-Jews west of the Jordan. Should they be allowed to stay where they are?
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no true democracy would ever dare to transfer a large portion of their citizens to another state. that would be ethnic cleansing. though some racist ultra-Zionists want to strip the Israeli-Arabs of their right to vote.
 
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The Fool said:
Ok...but on the topic of the Nakba....much of which revolves around displacement of Arabs.
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The direct consequence of offensively launching a war against Israel. Wars inevitably cause population movement. 350,000 Iraqis were displaced during the battles of Fallujah.

In your view should the remaining non Jews west of the Jordan be allowed to stay where they are?
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What territory, specifically, "west of the Jordan"

Is it unreasonable to expect that those that choose not to leave would resist?
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Resist on what basis?

Is there anything they need worry about?
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Since several Palestinians have been hanged by Hamas and 2,000 Palestinians have died in Fatah--Hamas conflicts, "they" probably need to worry about their safety jeopardized by their own elected governments.

Can they stay?
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Muslim Palestinians are chasing Christians out in droves. Why can't they stay?
 
The Fool said:
No, I was asking about all Non-Jews west of the Jordan. Should they be allowed to stay where they are?
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Should Christians be allowed to stay where they are? Because, as you are no doubt extremely well-informed on the subject, Christians are being persecuted by Muslims out of the area.
 
FireGarden said:
My claim was this:
Historians from all over the political spectrum -- from Benny Morris to Ilan Pappe -- agree that Arabs were forced out by the Israeli government.
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Both Pappe and Morris (the latter which admitted so) didn't use the Israeli archives to justify their claims. Pappe is even worse and uses simply the witness testimony of a handful of Palestinian Arabs to make his claims, some not even firsthand.

From Morris to Pappe is not really a spectrum, its more of a corner.
 
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bigjelmapro said:
Both Pappe and Morris (the latter which admitted so) didn't use the Israeli archives to justify their claims. Pappe is even worse and uses simply the witness testimony of a Palestinian Arabs to make his claims.

From Morris to Pappe is not really a spectrum, its more of a corner.
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Worse, still, neither Morris nor Pappe use Arab archives, resulting in a one-sided, often-anti-Zionist, point-of-view and, ultimately, a flawed historiography.
 
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