Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I really don't find any of this hard to believe. I mean where is he? Who is hiding him all of these years? Wasn't it around the same time Edmonds started shooting her mouth off that the blame started to shift to KSM? The fact is at one time we had an interest in UBL fighting the Russians and now we are in that same country. There was a CIA/UBL relationship no doubt in my mind. The President and his family had a relationship with the Bin Laden family both on 9/11 and for years leading up to it. Any Bin Laden family members right after 9/11 were allowed to flee with little questioning even as his picture was posted everywhere as the main culprit. There is also the story of him being in a hospital somewhere right before 9/11 and CIA people visiting him. Again I find that not hard to believe. Alec Station was shutdown later by President Bush. And again, where the hell is he? Give me a break.

Stop with your knee jerk pretend skepticism.

I don't get this. You tell us to give up "pretend skepticism", but almost everything you've just posted in that comment is a matter of belief for you.

That's not an effective argument.

 

[stateofgrace]

The President and his family had a relationship with the Bin Laden family both on 9/11 and for years leading up to it. .

Now this is interesting, are you accusing the entire Bin Laden family of being mass murdering terrorists ?

Is it guilt by family ties that you are promoting? If my brother goes out and offs somebody I am also guilty, right?

 

[R.Mackey]

did PROMIS software exist? did the mossad have it and what did they use it for?

answer- they spied on people with it!! [...]

so do u think the mossad could have accesed bin laden through the promis software he had. if u read some of gideons spies, i would see it NOT too far of a stretch!

I almost never respond to anti-Semites who are already on my Ignore list, but this time I'll make an exception.

Do you, Senenmut, acknowledge that the scanned page you presented -- the only attempt at evidence you've brought to this discussion -- has been altered from the earlier form, shown here?

Why was it altered?

 

[Rogue1stclass]

Maybe by bombshell, he meant that this Sibel person is hot.

 

[progge]

I really don't find any of this hard to believe. [...] no doubt in my mind. [...] Stop with your knee jerk pretend skepticism.

I prefer skepticism to pure believe, apparently you prefer believe.

There is also the story of him being in a hospital somewhere right before 9/11 and CIA people visiting him. Again I find that not hard to believe. Alec Station was shutdown later by President Bush.

Yes, there is also this story ...

The President and his family had a relationship with the Bin Laden family both on 9/11 and for years leading up to it. Any Bin Laden family members right after 9/11 were allowed to flee with little questioning even as his picture was posted everywhere as the main culprit.

"A relationship with the Bin laden family" - you are not very specific! Are you aware of the fact that most of the UBL family members formally dissociated themselves from UBL back in the 90´s?

It´s also worth noticing that they were very carefully observed the years before.

"That family had been looked at very, very carefully in the two-year period leading up to September 11," after the al Qaeda bombings of American embassies in East Africa, said retired CIA official Vince Cannistraro.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york091102.asp

Clarke said yesterday that the furor over the flights of Saudi citizens is much ado about nothing.
“This is a tempest in a teapot,” he said, adding that, since the attacks, the FBI has never said that any of the passengers aboard the flight shouldn’t have been allowed to leave or were wanted for further investigation.
He said that many members of the bin Laden family had been subjects of FBI surveillance for years before the attacks and were well-known to law-enforcement officials.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040529013533/http://www.hillnews.com/news/052604/clarke.aspx

So on which legal basis Dick Clarke or whoever should have argued for stopping the UBL family members from leaving the country? I know of none.

 

[Senenmut]

I almost never respond to anti-Semites who are already on my Ignore list, but this time I'll make an exception.

Do you, Senenmut, acknowledge that the scanned page you presented -- the only attempt at evidence you've brought to this discussion -- has been altered from the earlier form, shown here?

Why was it altered?

if we knew the source, then we could tell. wouldnt u like to know the source?

re u calling me an anti semite because i show u that the mossad had promis and bin laden did too and if one reads alittle of gideons spies then one can come to a logical conclusion that the mossad could most likely access bin laden's network?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I'm not. Sometimes it's good to play Devil's Advocate, but here the document is so laughable that there's no point.

Anyone with vision better than about 20/200 will note the one Senemut brought is not the same as the one we've seen before, as shown at 911Myths. The new one has got lots more scary notes and redaction marks on it.

These are, quite unquestionably, forgeries. Clumsy ones.

Jesus Christ. No, I didn't look at what he posted; I have that moron on ignore. I was playing off of FineWine's post and just thought Senemut resurrected the old "Osman" doc as Mike W. had it, so I decided to do my normal pedant thing and do a teachable moment for new readers. Unblanking him temporarily, yes, I do see all that extra crap now. That's effin ridiculous, and stupid to boot. These truthers just can't seem to do anything without lying, and this shows that.

Congratulations, Senemut. You found a way to exceed my already cynical appraisal of your credulity.

So at some point, somebody decided the original, with bizarre references to bin Laden, Red Mercury, and even Neutronics (???) on the same page, still wasn't exciting enough for the conspiracy set, and decided to add even more. Utterly ridiculous. The only things missing from the original are Area 51, the Philadelphia Experiment, and Hitler's Brain.

So, what reason do we have to accept this document? We know it's been altered, and we have no original provenance, and we know the person who originally brought it forth is a complete loon...

To the conspiracy set, you'll find your lives a lot less embarrassing if you stop falling for all this stuff. I can't believe anybody buys it, but you keep exceeding my expectations.

Mother of God, truthers, do you all really think lipstick on a pig improves it? Why did a small segment without all the extraneous crap on it suddenly become what Senemut tried to pass off? None of you all realize that historical debate is about establishing accuracy, not selling points of view. If you did, you guys wouldn't try to pull this crap, you'd try to validate the doc.

Learn something, dammit: Stupid garbage like this ruins your credibility. From now on, we can judge the credulity of a claimant by simply seeing if he bothers to compare against the original doc or not. You fools just found another way for others to expose gullibility. Congratulations.

 

[Hokulele]

if we knew the source, then we could tell. wouldnt u like to know the source?

re u calling me an anti semite because i show u that the mossad had promis and bin laden did too and if one reads alittle of gideons spies then one can come to a logical conclusion that the mossad could most likely access bin laden's network?

How on earth does any of that address R.Mackey's questions?

 

[R.Mackey]

To Senenmut, dude, just look at the two images. Are they the same? Yes or no?

And I'm calling you an anti-Semite because you irrationally and arbitrarily blame the Mossad for conspiracies that you don't even faintly comprehend. That fits the working definition quite nicely.

Seriously, how come none of you nuts ever blames the Riigi Teabeamet or the GRLS? Why is it always the Mossad? Be honest.

 

[T.A.M.]

I really don't find any of this hard to believe. I mean where is he? Who is hiding him all of these years? Wasn't it around the same time Edmonds started shooting her mouth off that the blame started to shift to KSM? The fact is at one time we had an interest in UBL fighting the Russians and now we are in that same country. There was a CIA/UBL relationship no doubt in my mind. The President and his family had a relationship with the Bin Laden family both on 9/11 and for years leading up to it. Any Bin Laden family members right after 9/11 were allowed to flee with little questioning even as his picture was posted everywhere as the main culprit. There is also the story of him being in a hospital somewhere right before 9/11 and CIA people visiting him. Again I find that not hard to believe. Alec Station was shutdown later by President Bush. And again, where the hell is he? Give me a break.

Stop with your knee jerk pretend skepticism.

so which sock puppet are you?

 

[stateofgrace]

if we knew the source, then we could tell. wouldnt u like to know the source?

re u calling me an anti semite because i show u that the mossad had promis and bin laden did too and if one reads alittle of gideons spies then one can come to a logical conclusion that the mossad could most likely access bin laden's network?

The source? There is no source; it is a forgery unless you prove it is genuine. Of course you being a truth seeker can prove me wrong here, can you not?

Will you also stop writing in text; this is a forum, not a mobile phone.

 

[Senenmut]

To Senenmut, dude, just look at the two images. Are they the same? Yes or no?

And I'm calling you an anti-Semite because you irrationally and arbitrarily blame the Mossad for conspiracies that you don't even faintly comprehend. That fits the working definition quite nicely.

Seriously, how come none of you nuts ever blames the Riigi Teabeamet or the GRLS? Why is it always the Mossad? Be honest.

i looked, it would be nice to see an original.

but, look at them side by side. the one from 911 debunking looks as though its been cleaned up.

look at mine on the second line where it says "on file and fully documented".

now look at 911debunking. no circle around item 1 but look closly at the phrase on line 2 that says "on file and fully documented."

notice anything strange?? like somone erased the circle around item one.

looks as though someone "cleaned" the doc on debunking page.

 

[Hokulele]

*Facepalm*

 

[Senenmut]

To Senenmut, dude, just look at the two images. Are they the same? Yes or no?

And I'm calling you an anti-Semite because you irrationally and arbitrarily blame the Mossad for conspiracies that you don't even faintly comprehend. That fits the working definition quite nicely.

Seriously, how come none of you nuts ever blames the Riigi Teabeamet or the GRLS? Why is it always the Mossad? Be honest.

so did the mossad have promis or not? be honest now!! haha....

 

[R.Mackey]

look at mine on the second line where it says "on file and fully documented".

now look at 911debunking. no circle around item 1 but look closly at the phrase on line 2 that says "on file and fully documented."

notice anything strange?? like somone erased the circle around item one.

looks as though someone "cleaned" the doc on debunking page.

So, in other words:

1. Despite being shown the discrepancies, you are STILL duped by the copy you brought to the discussion, which is absolutely and irrefutably a forgery; and

2. Because it doesn't match the earlier version, you now accuse us of "erasing" parts of it, thus implying we're complicit.

Add that to the fact it's nonsense to begin with -- seriously, Red Mercury is about the stupidest hoax ever invented, and it's on that page too -- and yet you still support it??

In light of the above evidence, I am forced to conclude that you simply aren't very smart. I mean that with all due respect. Back to Ignore with you, you've earned it.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

if we knew the source, then we could tell. wouldnt u like to know the source?

re u calling me an anti semite because i show u that the mossad had promis and bin laden did too and if one reads alittle of gideons spies then one can come to a logical conclusion that the mossad could most likely access bin laden's network?

Do you have any idea what Promis even is?? It Inslaw's "Prosecutor's Management and Information System". It's a database and analysis suite that keeps track of what law enforcement officials discover about individuals! It's freakin' automation software. It does not - indeed, can not - know any more than the bureau or agency that adds data to it to begin with! And it's 80's freakin' technology; just how much analytic power do you think it really has??

And even if the trojaned version of it really did end up in bin Laden's possesion, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Is this some sort of allegation that Mossad supposedly had inside information on bin Laden? "Penetrating bin Laden's network" through Promis would at best mean that they could see what he was looking at in Promis. And all bin Laden would be looking at is what knowledge was generated by the bureau that owned whatever copy of Promis he bought, and that presumes he got the data sets as well as the software. Which was something that was never established!

Tell the truth: Did you just see "Promis" and "Mossad" and presume there was some sooper sekrit abilty for Mossad to suddenly do something mysterious that involved bin Laden and therefore proves the "Official Story" wrong? Was that your thought process? Because attributing abilities to Promis that it doesn't have - again, it's an automation and tracking database suite - requires painfully gullible leaps like that, and most of us understand that the real work doesn't work like Sandra Bullock's movie "The Net".

Back on ignore you go. As I said before, I already had a low opinion of your intellectual capacity, and you still found a way to make me realize I was giving you too much credit. That's just unbelievable.

 

[Senenmut]

So, in other words:

1. Despite being shown the discrepancies, you are STILL duped by the copy you brought to the discussion, which is absolutely and irrefutably a forgery; and

2. Because it doesn't match the earlier version, you now accuse us of "erasing" parts of it, thus implying we're complicit.

Add that to the fact it's nonsense to begin with -- seriously, Red Mercury is about the stupidest hoax ever invented, and it's on that page too -- and yet you still support it??

In light of the above evidence, I am forced to conclude that you simply aren't very smart. I mean that with all due respect. Back to Ignore with you, you've earned it.

what earlier one?

so which one is the original. i have shown you that the debunking page has the "cleaned" up version (lines erased)?

are you denying that it looks as though it has been "cleaned" up?

 

[Senenmut]

Do you have any idea what Promis even is?? It Inslaw's "Prosecutor's Management and Information System". It's a database and analysis suite that keeps track of what law enforcement officials discover about individuals! It's freakin' automation software. It does not - indeed, can not - know any more than the bureau or agency that adds data to it to begin with! And it's 80's freakin' technology; just how much analytic power do you think it really has??

And even if the trojaned version of it really did end up in bin Laden's possesion, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Is this some sort of allegation that Mossad supposedly had inside information on bin Laden? "Penetrating bin Laden's network" through Promis would at best mean that they could see what he was looking at in Promis. And all bin Laden would be looking at is what knowledge was generated by the bureau that owned whatever copy of Promis he bought, and that presumes he got the data sets as well as the software. Which was something that was never established!

Tell the truth: Did you just see "Promis" and "Mossad" and presume there was some sooper sekrit abilty for Mossad to suddenly do something mysterious that involved bin Laden and therefore proves the "Official Story" wrong? Was that your thought process? Because attributing abilities to Promis that it doesn't have - again, it's an automation and tracking database suite - requires painfully gullible leaps like that, and most of us understand that the real work doesn't work like Sandra Bullock's movie "The Net".

Back on ignore you go. As I said before, I already had a low opinion of your intellectual capacity, and you still found a way to make me realize I was giving you too much credit. That's just unbelievable.

read up on PROMIS and get back with me. it gets deep.

 

[BigAl]

read up on PROMIS and get back with me. it gets deep.

It was deep in BS 30 years ago when the local Conspiracy loons went on-and-on about it being stolen from INSLAW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inslaw

 

[boloboffin]

The Mossad also has Microsoft Excel AND take classes in how to use it. Strue.