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Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

ElMondoHummus said:
Mother of God... how long has Mike W's page on the bin Laden-CIA links myth been around for now? Couple of years, maybe?

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_links_to_the_cia.html
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Wow, that's really clever - NOT. I mean, who would ever think that the CIA would employ the ISI as a go-between? After all, it's not like the CIA ever uses locals, or people from nearby locales who can "blend" to do their bidding, right? Maybe only the military uses locals, like the wonderful graduates of the School of the Americas? Is this your belief?

... and

http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_bin_ladin_in_sudan1996.htm

And if relations between the US and bin Laden were that cordial :rolleyes: back during the Soviet-Afghanistan war, well before America had troops in Saudi Arabia, what makes anyone think they got any better since then?
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Just one problem, here, kido. If Bin Laden and the US government were "intimately" involved, don't you think the US would let it be known to an asset that he should obscure his true affiliation? Actually, there's another problem. Didnt the CIA deliver stinger missiles to the Afghan jihadis? How could bin Laden "not see" this? And even if he didn't "personally see" the Stinger missiles, was this some sort of secret, even amongst the Afghan jiahadis? Do tell us, won't you, how you resolve this contradiction. Is bin Laden a liar, or is he stupid, or did he have the cooties so bad that other jihadis wouldn't tell him about the Stinger missiles?

And if he's a liar, why would I resolve any contradiction between him and Sibel Edmonds in his favor?
 
Gagged?

metamars said:
The ACLU didn't call her the "most gagged" woman in the history of this country for nothing. Ah, but you already knew that, didn't you?
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From her website, in addition to the recent Malloy interview:
  • Just A Citizen (Sibel's website)
  • NSWBC
  • Kill The Messenger
  • Hijacking of a Nation, Part 1
  • Hijacking of a Nation, Pt 2
  • Vanity Fair: Inconvenient Patriot
  • Chris Deliso interview, 8/05
  • Chris Deliso interview, 7/04
  • Scott Horton Interview 8/05
If I were 'gagged' like that, I'd fire my publicist.


Really! And how do you justify this statement? Have you read and listened to the classified material that she did? And do tell us, won't you, what your level of skill is in understanding Middle Eastern languages?
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I understand that dudes from Saudi living in Afghanistan don't speak Azerbaijani, Turkish or English to each other.
 
Yes or no question, metamars: Have you read The Looming Tower?

If yes, essay question: How do you square Ms. Edmonds's claim with those of Michael Scheuer and others? They are completely contradictory.
 
~enigma~ said:
She was hired after 9/11 and fired a few months later. Anybody think she is nothing more than a disgruntled ex-employee?

ETA - This is a spectacular whimper from the TM following their epic failure that was seen around the world.
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Did anybody see this? Why argue anything about Sibel whateverhernameis concerning anything about 9/11 when she didn't even work there on 9/11 and was employed by the FBI for 4 months?
 
metamars said:
Actually, there's another problem. Didnt the CIA deliver stinger missiles to the Afghan jihadis? How could bin Laden "not see" this? And even if he didn't "personally see" the Stinger missiles, was this some sort of secret, even amongst the Afghan jiahadis? Do tell us, won't you, how you resolve this contradiction. Is bin Laden a liar, or is he stupid, or did he have the cooties so bad that other jihadis wouldn't tell him about the Stinger missiles?
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Not sure what point you are trying to make here...
 
R.Mackey said:
Yes or no question, metamars: Have you read The Looming Tower?

If yes, essay question: How do you square Ms. Edmonds's claim with those of Michael Scheuer and others? They are completely contradictory.
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No
 
One moment al Qaeda doesn't exist and bin Laden is a wronged and innocent man whose supposed denial of 9/11 responsibility can be taken at face value.

And the next, bin Laden's "worked for the US till 9/11" (although, ahem, that's not what Edmonds said), and has such a potent fighting force that it comes in handy for fighting enemies across Central Asia.

Ah well, I suppose when you're as desperate as the truthers then you'll grasp on to any straw. I expect they'll soon be telling us that this is hugely significant, and will change everything: the faithful need a little fake encouragement to help ensure the cash keeps rolling in.
 
metamars said:
No
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:rolleyes:

Then I strongly advise you to read the book, and to educate yourself on the subject you are allegedly so interested in.

Once you know the first thing about what you're talking about, I believe you will find yourself less easily duped.

Egad, yet another fail for the Truth Movement.
 
metamars said:
Wow, that's really clever - NOT. I mean, who would ever think that the CIA would employ the ISI as a go-between? After all, it's not like the CIA ever uses locals, or people from nearby locales who can "blend" to do their bidding, right? Maybe only the military uses locals, like the wonderful graduates of the School of the Americas? Is this your belief?
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... And Metamars gets the "Didn't pay a damn bit of attention to the information I was given because I've fooled myself into thinking I know what I'm talking about" award. Did you miss the part where the funding went to the Afghans, not the visiting Arabs? Did you also not click through and read the rest of the information there?

Badeeb recalled. "And we insist[ed] that the Americans will not get to that, get involved--especially in the beginning," in part because some of the Islamist mujahedin objected to direct contact with Western infidels...
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Have you also bothered to read any history of bin Laden? Do you know that bin Laden's entry into terrorism was because he didn't need state sponsorship for his activities, since he proved to be amazingly adapt at raising funds on his own? Do you also know that, regardless of whatever his status may have been during the Afghan conflict, when the US convinced the Sudan to kick him out, they did so in a way that made him lose most of his fortune? So from that point on he harbored a definite, unrelenting, and fully vocalized, fully admitted hate for the US? Do you realize any of this?

No, of course not. Not if you continue to subsribe to a fantasy forwarded by someone providing zero evidence. Hint: Read Lawrence Wright's Looming Tower. Read Steven Coll's work. Just... just read something other than the truther sites you keep quoting. Fiction is no substitute for reality.

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metamars said:
Just one problem, here, kido. If Bin Laden and the US government were "intimately" involved, don't you think the US would let it be known to an asset that he should obscure his true affiliation? Actually, there's another problem. Didnt the CIA deliver stinger missiles to the Afghan jihadis? How could bin Laden "not see" this? And even if he didn't "personally see" the Stinger missiles, was this some sort of secret, even amongst the Afghan jiahadis? Do tell us, won't you, how you resolve this contradiction. Is bin Laden a liar, or is he stupid, or did he have the cooties so bad that other jihadis wouldn't tell him about the Stinger missiles?

And if he's a liar, why would I resolve any contradiction between him and Sibel Edmonds in his favor?
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1. "Kido"?? From a mere mental child himself?
2. Obscuring his true affiliation: Evidence? I like to base what I know on information, not mere induction.
3. " Didnt the CIA deliver stinger missiles to the Afghan jihadis?" What's that supposed to prove? He did indeed try his best to mingle with the Mujahadeen; this doesn't provide even a smidgen of any link between him and the CIA. The Afgan mujahadeed had those.
4. If you want to talk about resolving contradictions, resolve the one between what you peddle - that bin Laden was in cahoots with the CIA - and that has no evidence to it beyond the unsupported claims of someone who's access to such information is never established to begin with - and what's known and provable, like the information Coll, Wright, Scheuer, Burke, and Bergen has provided. The truly glaring contradictions are between the claims you champion and reality. You have far more need to rectify contradictions than I do; you contradict known facts.
 
You guys do realize that arguing this with metmars is about as stupid as arguing Aquaman's knowledge of what UL did in 1964.
 
R.Mackey said:
Yes or no question, metamars: Have you read The Looming Tower?
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metamars said:
No
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Why am I not surprised?

R.Mackey said:
:rolleyes:

Then I strongly advise you to read the book, and to educate yourself on the subject you are allegedly so interested in.

Once you know the first thing about what you're talking about, I believe you will find yourself less easily duped.

Egad, yet another fail for the Truth Movement.
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No kidding. We're supposed to take the unsubstantiated and unspecific claims of a person who worked for mere months at the FBI over the painstakingly collected and detailed observations by the authors I mentioned earlier: Steven Coll, Lawrence Wright, Peter Bergen, etc. And in learning, analyzing, and citing what they've discovered, we're supposedly the ones who are in the dark here.

Sheesh. Again, Metamars: You need to read more than truther information. Start with those authors. You are sorely lacking in information, and you are making this painfully apparent with your posts here.
 
Wait, wait, WAIT!

I thought they were a bunch of incompetent cave dwellers??

Hey Twoofers, pick a god damn story and stick to it!

kthxbye
 
16.5 said:
Wait, wait, WAIT!

I thought they were a bunch of incompetent cave dwellers??

Hey Twoofers, pick a god damn story and stick to it!

kthxbye
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Apparently Sibel was fluent in cavemanese when she took her trip back into the past with her Delorean.
 
I don't see how she's saying anything different from what she's been saying. Where's the bombshell?

From the DU article:

As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from 'actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia') as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.
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Since she has previously described this alleged proxy usage of bin Laden, how is this in any way an actual bombshell?
 
boloboffin said:
I don't see how she's saying anything different from what she's been saying. Where's the bombshell?

From the DU article:



Since she has previously described this alleged proxy usage of bin Laden, how is this in any way an actual bombshell?
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The same way every time a "paper" is written on the speed of the Towers' collapse is a "bombshell" revelation that's tear down the house of cards that is the 9/11 hoax.
 
Can someone PLEASE tell why there are so many freaking truthers who know absolutely ZERO about the intelligence community but INSIST on talking about it because they hear some "ex-[insert some agency here]" talking or they read some declassified document?

All of a sudden they are some kind of Intel expert? What the heck is wrong with these people?
 
~enigma~ said:
You guys do realize that arguing this with metmars is about as stupid as arguing Aquaman's knowledge of what UL did in 1964.
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Aquaman? Aren't there rumors of a movie with Aquaman?

When are they going to make a modern movie about the Flash? It's well past the time for that.....
 
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