9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Skeptic]

The Germans were the organizing geniuses behind the moon landings.

Quite true:

Some have harsh words for this man of renown
but some say are attitude
should be one of gratitude
like the widows and cripples in old London town
who owe their large pensions to Werner von Braun.

("Once the rockets are up
who cares where they come down
that's not my department,"
says Wernher von Braun.)

 

[headscratcher4]

"The Germans were the organizing geniuses behind the moon landings..."

Yes, perhaps, they were also the organizing geniuses behind the slave labor they needed to build rockets in the first place...but, heck, what's a little blood and slave labor when it comes to advancing science?

 

[tsig]

Unfortunately tsig has lost his book, but he vividly remembers what he read 44 years ago.

Next.

Was there any point to this post? Do you dispute what I said?

 

[tsig]

Chasing all the Jewish Physicsists and their "Jewish Physics" out of The Vaterland and replacing it with "German Physics" was a REALLY brilliant move.....

Replacing skill and expertise with ideology didn't really work out to well for them did it?

 

[Skeptic]

Apparently, JohnG, the criminals themselves never denied it because the concentration camp guards, gas-chamber operators, etc., were all secret Jews.

Makes sense.

 

[Skeptic]

I am surprised Jews in the Warsaw ghetto didn't read the Der Sturmer and the Volkeischer Beobachter more often. If you were there, wouldn't you at least want to know that your starvation and humiliation and killing is all an illusion, and in reality you're all-powerful and control the world?

 

[Skeptic]

I hate to equate Hitler with anything even remotely funny but that was hilarious.

If this is the video of Hitler's rant in the movie Downfall with subtitles which are, ahem, not too related to reality, then it is one of the most popular you tube videos right now. Some "translations" include Hitler losing his cool over the "burning man" happening not getting attendance, being banned from an online internet game, etc.

 

[tsig]

Wow, of all the reactions I had forseen, this was not one of them.

Rather surrealistic, No?

I really didn't think he would try to deny that there was knowledge of the extermination camps before the 70s but then denial and flame seem to be his favored tactics.

BTW: thanks for the references.

 

[tsig]

I think the nazi is actually jealous of the Jews.

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Deniers are jealous of anybody who has accomplished anything, the Jews just are the perfect personification for them.

Their hatred is the only thing that gives focus to an otherwise pallid personality.

 

[Wildy]

I thought the Jews controlled America?

But they are secretly being controlled by the Germans.

 

[Thomas]

If this is the video of Hitler's rant in the movie Downfall with subtitles which are, ahem, not too related to reality, then it is one of the most popular you tube videos right now. Some "translations" include Hitler losing his cool over the "burning man" happening not getting attendance, being banned from an online internet game, etc.

It's not from that movie, it's clips from an original.. well, watch it when you get home or something.. But here's one of the clips you talk of from Der Untergang where Hitler runs amok when he finds out that there are no MDMA pizza for him anyway.. NSFW..

 

[Chaos]

But they are secretly being controlled by the Germans.

Very secretly, at that. Even we don´t know.

 

[paximperium]

Very secretly, at that. Even we don´t know.

I thought the Germans were controlled by the Reptoids?

 

[Simon39759]

I thought the Germans were controlled by the Reptoids?

... From the planet Free-Masonia.

If this is the video of Hitler's rant in the movie Downfall with subtitles which are, ahem, not too related to reality, then it is one of the most popular you tube videos right now. Some "translations" include Hitler losing his cool over the "burning man" happening not getting attendance, being banned from an online internet game, etc.

I remember seeing that with Hitler rambling about the ending of the Watchmen (no giant squid!) and found it pretty hilarious.
I quickly forwarded to all my nerdy friends not realizing that it was already an internet cliché...
Hitler should have done stand-up comedy... he was much better at it than at painting (and I am not even going to mention his statesmanship).

 

[dudalb]

Quite true:

Damn ,ya beat me to it.

 

[dudalb]

I thought the Germans were controlled by the Reptoids?

If you consider the Skrulls Reptoids...

 

[Simon39759]

If you consider the Skrulls Reptoids...

They are god-damned shape-shifters. They can be reptoids if they damn well please!
As once said by a wise philosopher of ours: 'I have had enough of these motherfracking reptoids on this motherfracking flying saucer'.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Rather surrealistic, No?

I really didn't think he would try to deny that there was knowledge of the extermination camps before the 70s but then denial and flame seem to be his favored tactics.

BTW: thanks for the references.

Never said anything like that, just that not much attention was paid to it (to the myth that is) before the propagando hell broke lose in the seventies.

Does anybody here care to explain why the best informed players of WW2:

- Churchill
- De Gaulle
- Eisenhower

in their extensive many-volume memoirs never lost a word about 'gas chambers' and the like?

Maybe because they knew better?

Maybe you will find a minute or two between the self-gratulating and chest thumping and 'Nazi'-shouting to answer that question?

Don't hold your breath.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Meet Fritjof Meyer.

Fritjof who?

Herr Meyer was top editor of German weekly magazine Der Spiegel, a sort of German Time Magazine, but more profound, more content and more interesting, although it is still a left wing rag.

Nevertheless, Herr Meyer gave the Holocaust a good thought and came up with startling conclusions regarding the Auschwitz labor camp (or 'extermination camp' here at JREF): it did not happen as alleged, the numbers of death in his eyes were greatly exaggerated.

Herr Meyer wanted to publish his findings in Der Spiegel itself, but the content was considered too sensitive and Meyer had to step aside to a less well known periodical: OstEuropa-kunde. Still, this magazine was under the aegis of none less then Rita Suesssmuth, let's say the German Tipp O'Neill, speaker of Parliament.

Here is the article as it appeared in Ost-Europakunde and since 'languages' is not your thing I have posted the English version (with gleeful comments from Irving for free).

So what happened? Was Herr Meyer a closet Nazi? Hardly. Normal Germans in his position would have risked to go to jail for it, not Meyer. He belonged to the left wing establishment. And more important, although his first name sounds like a God from a Scandinavian Pantheon, his family name is Jewish. Somewhere he says that his family was in Auschwitz, probably not as a paying visitor to that communist fabricated exhibition. A group of German right-wingers even tried to get him sentenced for 'holocaust denial', to no avail.

What Meyer does is throwing away all conventional 'knowledge' about the 'gassings' and comes up with 2 farmhouses where the gassings are alleged to have been taken place. Meyer reduces that number of gassed people to some 350,000.

Irving is jubilant: THIS was precisely the position that I adopted in the Lipstadt Trial: that there had been NO mass killings in Krema II, and any gassings that did occur were in the so-called "bunkers" outside the camp.

Read carefully: Irving doesn't say that gassings did occur, just that if there were any gassings, it must have been there.

Revisionists correctly saw this as a major breakthrough, an event interpreted as an attempt by Meyer to save from the Holocaust what was left after the assault by the revisionist.

Note that by transferring the imagined gassings to a farmhouse that doesn't exist anymore, he cleverly prevented all sorts of 'Neo-Nazi's' travelling to these farm houses and scratch some grit from the walls in order to subject it to chemical tests.

Here comments by a Swiss revisionist who had to flee to Moscow via Teheran in order to avoid a jail sentence.

Go East young man, go East, the West is dying.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I don't think I have studied enough WW2 history to conclude much in either direction, but I just wonder if you consider this clip genuine or fraud..



..Hitler clearly threatens with annihilation of the Jewish populace in Europe here (if you consider it genuine), and add to this that holocaust was a secret police operation, so surely any documentation of these events will be sparse if it has occured?

I shall look forward to your reply.

I admit that it sounds rather harsh to put it mildly. But you have to admit that he does not announce any unconditional extermination of the Jews, but only in retaliation if the Jews would succeed to plunge Germany in a war for the second time. You might argue that this was exactly what the Jews did, via their English proxy and American serfs. So yes, this is ammo for the holocaust orthodoxists, the motive was there.

On the other hand, Khrushchev famously predicted to bury American capitalists. Not much of the sort happened in this direction. Saying something and doing something are two different things.

I do not say that I know for a fact that no gassings etc. did occur. But the proof for what allegedly happened is so poor that for the moment I stay with my preliminary judgment of 250,000 people died in the camps (as a consequence of the war conditions), as administered by the Germans themselves and several hundred thousand people killed in cold blood by the Einsatztruppen in the East. If additional killings took place, than probably on the initiative of Himmler, not Hitler. Nothing of what my opponents have presented here inclines me to change my mind.