Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

[Marc39]

so you now change from claiming he is the editor to acknowledging that he is not the editor...and I'm the one thats confused?

I don't follow the moment by moment staffing developments at Haaretz. Silly point for you to even raise.

as for your claim that I alleged that "the creation of Israel manifested itself as a nakba or disaster"......well, you made this up.... I have never done any such thing....feel free to quote where you claim I did. I understand that you would have liked me to say it, I understand that it is an argument you have prepared an answer for and need to hear. but sorry........I don't hold that view, never have... I've even explained this too you before. Are you not reading my replies?

I'll just add it to the list. you are approaching a rate of one fabrication per post now. Is that your goal?

Again, I really had no confidence you'd be equipped to support any of your statements about Israel and the alleged nakba. Again, I'm not disappointed.

 

[The Fool]

Back in hiding after my inconvenient question to you about how Israel has been catastrophic for Arabs?

So, let me summarize: You suggested a similarity between the Holocaust and the so-called nakba, but, when I asked you to explain, you were flummoxed and at a total loss.

Nope...another fabrication. I suggested there is a similarity between the arguments used by Holocaust deniers and nakba deniers. The holocaust and Nakba are totally different events. Not really similar at all. I have explained this before and again here....when will it sink in?

Next, you indicated the creation of Israel has been a catastrophe for Arabs.

please quote where you imagine I did this. You may have heard it somewhere but not from me....maybe from a voice in your head?

Not sure how long I can continue to point out that you are simply making this stuff up...do you actually believe it yourself? I mean....when you look at the screen do you actually see the words you claim exist?

 

[Marc39]

Nope...another fabrication. I suggested there is a similarity between the arguments used by Holocaust deniers and nakba deniers. The holocaust and Nakba are totally different events. Not really similar at all. I have explained this before and again here....when will it sink in?


please quote where you imagine I did this. You may have heard it somewhere but not from me....maybe from a voice in your head?

Not sure how long I can continue to point out that you are simply making this stuff up...do you actually believe it yourself? I mean....when you look at the screen do you actually see the words you claim exist?

Too bad back-pedaling is not an Olympic event. Your posts excel at it. Your posts, however, do not excel at being informed in Middle East affairs.

 

[The Fool]

I don't follow the moment by moment staffing developments at Haaretz. Silly point for you to even raise.

I know you don't. You don't follow developments on a lot of issues you make claims about.



Anyway Marc39...here's the deal. You have no credability left so if you want to ask me about anything I have said on this forum I need you to quote my words as I am growing tired of your fabrications....all good things come to an end and this is the end for my participation in your silly games.

Glad to answer any questions about things you quote but no further games or even responses involving your imagination.

Possibly you would be happier sticking to the Israel forum where your posts are not fact checked?

 

[Marc39]

I know you don't. You don't follow developments on a lot of issues you make claims about.

Anyway Marc39...here's the deal. You have no credability left so if you want to ask me about anything I have said on this forum I need you to quote my words as I am growing tired of your fabrications....all good things come to an end and this is the end for my participation in your silly games.

Glad to answer any questions about things you quote but no further games or even responses involving your imagination.

Possibly you would be happier sticking to the Israel forum where your posts are not fact checked?

That's the best you can come back with? You are caught protesting the nakba and it turns out you are totally devoid of any knowledge of the nakba. Furthermore, you know absolutely nothing about the events pertaining to the so-called nakba, except for a few vague buzzwords you picked up from Wikipedia. How utterly embarrassing.

You still owe us answers to the question about historical opportunities for Palestinian statehood, as well as who Palestinians are, which is all related to the nakba.

 

[Thunder]

You still owe us answers to the question about historical opportunities for Palestinian statehood, as well as who Palestinians are, which is all related to the nakba.

Actually...he doesn't owe us a thing. The Fool actually has credibility here and isn't notorious for making up facts, lying, providing zero proof for his claims, and other childish and pathetic nonsense.

 

[The Fool]

Actually...he doesn't owe us a thing. The Fool actually has credibility here and isn't notorious for making up facts, lying, providing zero proof for his claims, and other childish and pathetic nonsense.

the sad thing is that I believe Marc39 actually beleives I didn't respond to the question... Take for example the question of what is a palestinian. I responded to him ages ago....some time in May yet he has followed me around since claiming I didn't...
Here is the response to his request that I define what is a palestinian.

I suppose there are as many definitions of a Palestinian as there are Palestinians. Its probably even more splintered than the argument of "What is an Israeli" or "What is a Jew" (depending on which of those you are applying at the time).

For what its worth I would say my own definition is something along the lines of...

A stateless person in the middle east Jerusalem region that Identifies as a Palestinian.


see the frustration? I think Marc39 may have the ability to erase things from memory?

Marc39 claims a lot of things....and gets caught out a lot of times when they are shown to be fabrications. He claims to be qualified in this area....something about a princeton degree?? Yet on the Israel forum he claims to be uninformed and begs them to give him answers to common criticisms of israel that he can use when he is challenged with these questions. The answers they give him are then parrotted on this forum. Unfortunately often the arguments he is equipped to answer by copying from the Israel forum are not the ones he actually comes up against here...thats when I think he gets confused and simply believes he has seen these arguments here and atributes them to people.

bizzare..

 

[Thunder]

t Yet on the Israel forum he claims to be uninformed and begs them to give him answers to common criticisms of israel that he can use when he is challenged with these questions. The answers they give him are then parrotted on this forum.

Oh my. That is very very sad.

And very very pathetic.

 

[Marc39]

the sad thing is that I believe Marc39 actually beleives I didn't respond to the question... Take for example the question of what is a palestinian. I responded to him ages ago....some time in May yet he has followed me around since claiming I didn't...
Here is the response to his request that I define what is a palestinian.

The sad thing is someone pretending to be indignant over Israel and this nakba jazz and really not knowing one bloody thing about the nakba or being knowledgeable of the history relative to the timeframe.

I suppose there are as many definitions of a Palestinian as there are Palestinians. Its probably even more splintered than the argument of "What is an Israeli" or "What is a Jew" (depending on which of those you are applying at the time).

Here we go, again. The infamous "I suppose there are many definitions" response that you tried to use with the nakba.

What is a Palestinian? No supposing or equivocating.

For what its worth I would say my own definition is something along the lines of...

Worth zero.

A stateless person in the middle east Jerusalem region that Identifies as a Palestinian.

You tried to pass off that same laughable answer last time I asked you. You mean to say you have learned nothing since? Try again.

 

[Thunder]

Marc39 is on ignore..hopefully for the last time. I expect a ban very soon.

 

[Pardalis]

You claimed that the Editor of Haaretz called for Israel to be raped. This was a lie.

He was the editor when he made that remark.

Landau was editor-in-chief of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz from 2004-2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Landau_(journalist)

Anyways, who cares?

Marc39 is on ignore..hopefully for the last time.

What happened the first time?

 

[The Fool]

What happened the first time?

trying to give the guy a chance to participate...what would you suggest?

 

[Marc39]

For what its worth I would say my own definition is something along the lines of...

A stateless person in the middle east Jerusalem region that Identifies as a Palestinian.

How do you reconcile your definition of a Palestinian with the issues below?...

What of Palestinian citizens of Jordan? They are not stateless.

What of Palestinian citizens of Kuwait? They are not stateless.

What of Palestinian citizens of Syria? Not stateless.

How would you characterize Palestinians living in Lebanon?

What of Palestinians living in Gaza? Are they stateless?

What about Arabs living in "middle east Jerusalem" who prefer to identify themselves as Arabs or Muslims or Christians, rather than Palestinian? Are they not considered Palestinians?

Finally, here is a statement from a former leader of the PLO, Zuheir Mohsan, regarding Palestinians. He appears to undermine your view of Palestiniains...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.
For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

 

[Thunder]

What happened the first time?

I didn't realize how useless his posts were..until The Fool shined the light tonight.

I have most 9-11 Truthers on ignore..and now Marc39.

 

[Pardalis]

I didn't realize how useless his posts were..until The Fool shined the light tonight.

I have most 9-11 Truthers on ignore..and now Marc39.

Not that I want to defend the guy (I didn't particularly like his comments on Obama in another thread), but with a quick search I proved he didn't lie about Haaretz's editor, I'm curious to find out if you made another false accusation about the land-for-peace deal.

Where did Marc say that it was between Hamas and Israel?

 

[Marc39]

trying to give the guy a chance to participate...what would you suggest?

I'm trying to give a chance for redemption. Provide specific examples of how Israel has been a nakba, or disaster, for Arabs, as you have alleged?

 

[The Fool]

Not that I want to defend the guy (I didn't particularly like his comments on Obama in another thread), but with a quick search I proved he didn't lie about Haaretz's editor, I'm curious to find out if you made another false accusation about the land-for-peace deal.

Where did Marc say that it was between Hamas and Israel?

well, you are defending him....even if you "don't want to"

can you help him out and find a land for peace agreement? The one he claimed existed...

or maybe in his 2nd last post you can find something to explain his claim that Zuheir Mohsan was a former leader of the PLO when in fact he was just the laeder of a syrian backed faction.....How about the ongoing claim (in his last post) that I have stated that Israel has been a nakba, or disaster, for Arabs...which I have not and have explained to him many times and asked him to quote where I did.

.....do we have to simply allow him to continue this policy of being loose with the facts unchallanged?

I don't want to ignore anyone but what do you suggest?

 

[Pardalis]

well, you are defending him....even if you "don't want to"

Well, he didn't lie about the former editor of Haaretz, did he? The guy was the editor of that paper at some point, when he made that comment. I don't see Marc saying he was the present editor.

can you help him out and find a land for peace agreement? The one he claimed existed...

Well, Google has plenty of examples of such proposals.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=land+for+peace+deal&btnG=Search&meta=

or maybe in his 2nd last post you can find something to explain his claim that Zuheir Mohsan was a former leader of the PLO when in fact he was just the laeder of a syrian backed faction....

... of the PLO, yes. Which is about the same thing.

was a Palestinian leader of the Syria-controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen

What's the difference?

You're grasping at straws.

How about the ongoing claim (in his last post) that I have stated that Israel has been a nakba, or disaster, for Arabs...

Well it goes without saying that the taking of the land from Arabs implies directly the creation of Israel, you can't have one without the other.

 

[Marc39]

or maybe in his 2nd last post you can find something to explain his claim that Zuheir Mohsan was a former leader of the PLO when in fact he was just the laeder of a syrian backed faction...

That's your response? Mohsan was a former PLO leader who dispels your ill-conceived notion of the existence of Palestinians. Thank me for shedding light on the matter.

.....How about the ongoing claim (in his last post) that I have stated that Israel has been a nakba, or disaster, for Arabs...which I have not and have explained to him many times and asked him to quote where I did.

More retreating? You suggested repeatedly Israel represents a nakba. Now that I probe your knowledge of nakba, Israel, Arabs and the history of the conflict, you completely disavow any such statements. My work is done.

 

[Pardalis]

That's your response? Mohsan was a former PLO leader who dispels your ill-conceived notion of the existence of Palestinians. Thank me for shedding light on the matter.

Be careful, you have to be extremely specific when you talk to the Fool, Mohsen was the leader of a faction of the PLO, just like you should have specified the other guy wasn't the current editor of Haaretz.

He will find any small discrepancy in your posts in order to avoid answering them.