Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

Pardalis said:
If it "happens again" then they'll deal with it accordingly, won't they?

You're stuck in the past.
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Why won't it be dealt with the same way it was dealt with before?: Wait until Pardalis thinks it's to too late to bother doing anything and have everyone move on.
 
FireGarden said:
Why won't it be dealt with the same way it was dealt with before?: Wait until Pardalis thinks it's to too late to bother doing anything and have everyone move on.
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It is too late to do anything about what happened 60 years ago, all we can do is work with what we have today: which is a state called Israel and the stateless Palestinians who live beside it.

Start from a clean slate, let bygones be bygones, because you guys will never agree about what happened, and fighting over it will lead nowhere. The only thing that matters are the Israelis and Palestinians of today, what they do today for their present and future coexistence.
 
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Marc39 said:
Please share with us the unrevised history of the so-called nakba and cite for us examples of how the creation of Israel has been a "nakba"--a catastrophe--for Arabs.
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its kinda disastrous when 750,000 people cannot return to their homes. wouldnt u agree?
 
parky76 said:
its kinda disastrous when 750,000 people cannot return to their homes. wouldnt u agree?
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You want to dispossess the people who are there now for reparations?

How long will this cycle of dispossession/repossession/dispossession going to last?
 
Pardalis said:
You want to dispossess the people who are there now for reparations?

How long will this cycle of dispossession/repossession/dispossession going to last?
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no. I want the remaining 1st generation refugees to have the option of returning to Israel...as law abiding Israeli citizens. I want the other refugees to have the right to live in the West Bank as citizens of Palestine to become full-citizens of the nations where they currently live.
 
parky76 said:
no. I want the remaining 1st generation refugees to have the option of returning to Israel...as law abiding Israeli citizens. I want the other refugees to have the right to live in the West Bank as citizens of Palestine to become full-citizens of the nations where they currently live.
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Fair enough.
 
Lets check the source then: The Harrez newspaper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaretz
Haaretz's readership includes Israel's intelligentsia and its political and economic elites.[7][8][9] According to one media study, "the likelihood of Haaretz readership rises with income, education, and age."[10] Despite its relatively low circulation, it is more influential than Israel's other major daily newspapers.[7]
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Then theres this:

History

Haaretz was first published in 1918 as a newspaper sponsored by the British military government in Palestine.[11] In 1919 it was taken over by Russian Zionists. Initially, it was called Hadashot Ha'aretz ("News of the Land"). The literary section of the paper attracted the leading Hebrew writers of the time.[12] It was first published in Jerusalem, but moved to Tel Aviv in 1922, under the editorship of Moshe Gluecksohn, who served as editor from 1922 to 1937.[13] Salman Schocken, a wealthy German Jewish Zionist who owned a chain of department stores in Germany, bought the paper in 1937. His son, Gershom Schocken, became the chief editor in 1939 and held that position until his death in 1990.[14]
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What happened it his death in 1990? ... so who's the editor (and/or owner) now?
 
Landau stepped down as editor-in-chief of Haaretz in April 2008, remaining a member of the editorial staff. He was replaced by Dov Alfon.[7]
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Dov Alfvon? ... Dont know anything about him.

Who's the current owner is the real question.
 
I'd still like some evidence of these so-called "land-for-peace" negotiations between Hamas and Israel.
 
parky76 said:
I'd still like some evidence of these so-called "land-for-peace" negotiations between Hamas and Israel.
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I would not hold your breath waiting for this to happen. Marc39 appears to have abandoned that one. Maybe I need 2 lists....

1. abandoned (oops, that one was tooo obvious) made up stuff.

and

2.still supported made up stuff.
 
Owner.

Who makes the money from the paper?

Follow the money. Will often tell you a lot more interesting news than the news itself.

I dont think the word should be banned. Thats their perspective. Ignoring the root causes of conflict and silencing debate would be a bad move. Understanding fully why such terms are used would be much better than banning them completely.
 
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The Fool said:
I would not hold your breath waiting for this to happen. Marc39 appears to have abandoned that one. Maybe I need 2 lists....

1. abandoned (oops, that one was tooo obvious) made up stuff.

and

2.still supported made up stuff.
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Let's prioritize: You were supposed to describe the various ways in which Israel has been "catastrophic" for the Arabs, which you have asserted to be the case. You since went into seclusion for some time since resurfacing, so, presumably you have used that time productively in gathering enough information with which to desperately respond. Let's hear what cha got!
 
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The Fool said:
except for the problem that he is not the editor of Haaretz......Dov Alfon is.
add it to the list?
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Your post is confused, as usual. Dov replaced the now-former editor who suggested Israel be raped. Now, onto far more substantive matters: How has the creation of Israel manifested itself as a nakba or disaster, as you have alleged?
 
The Fool said:
I would not hold your breath waiting for this to happen. Marc39 appears to have abandoned that one. Maybe I need 2 lists....

1. abandoned (oops, that one was tooo obvious) made up stuff.

and

2.still supported made up stuff.
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Back in hiding after my inconvenient question to you about how Israel has been catastrophic for Arabs?

So, let me summarize: You suggested a similarity between the Holocaust and the so-called nakba, but, when I asked you to explain, you were flummoxed and at a total loss.

Next, you indicated the creation of Israel has been a catastrophe for Arabs. When I asked you to define what a nakba even is, you went into hiding, again, apparently, unable to respond in a timely manner. Then, I asked you repeatedly to describe the ways in which Israel has been a catastrophe for Arabs. You have not been able to do so.

So, basically, you are exorcised over this so-called nakba, but, at the same time, you are absolutely uninformed about anything material pertaining to this nakba business.

How can this possibly be explained?
 
Marc39 said:
Your post is confused, as usual. Dov replaced the now-former editor who suggested Israel be raped. Now, onto far more substantive matters: How has the creation of Israel manifested itself as a nakba or disaster, as you have alleged?
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so you now change from claiming he is the editor to acknowledging that he is not the editor...and I'm the one thats confused? :)


as for your claim that I alleged that "the creation of Israel manifested itself as a nakba or disaster"......well, you made this up.... I have never done any such thing....feel free to quote where you claim I did. I understand that you would have liked me to say it, I understand that it is an argument you have prepared an answer for and need to hear. but sorry........I don't hold that view, never have... I've even explained this too you before. Are you not reading my replies?

I'll just add it to the list. you are approaching a rate of one fabrication per post now. Is that your goal?
 
Marc39 said:
So, basically, you are exorcised over this so-called nakba, but, at the same time, you are absolutely uninformed about anything material pertaining to this nakba business.

How can this possibly be explained?
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You said that Israel and Hamas made a land-for-peace deal. This was a lie.

You claimed that the Editor of Haaretz called for Israel to be raped. This was a lie.

What else u got?
 
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