Travolta might have seen the light....

He lost his kid, he's obviously rather depressed, and there's a whole bunch of people on the Internet who are pestering him to leave the Church.
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Somehow I doubt that there are a bunch of people on the net pestering John to leave his church. There are certainly a bunch of people hoping he does though:)
 
I seriously doubt he, or many other celebrity, pays any attention to the court of internet opinion.
 
dudalb said:
Ture, but most churches do not encourage you to give up all medical treatment and rely on miracles.
That is what makes the CO$ so dangerous.
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IMHO, it is the Fair Game policy which makes CO$ dangerous. Withholding Psychiatric medication harms only Scientologists. "Fair Game" allows them to harm anyone who is getting in the way.
 
fredcarr said:
Here are a couple comments on a thread that started with the statement that this is just a rumor:

It might be true...but there is one little thing:

It's the Daily Mail.

I hope it's true, though.
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I also pointed out that the Daily Mail is not a reliable source. I pointed out that the Daily Mail article refers to an alleged treatable condition, not a confirmed one. I pointed out that we have no idea what conditions Jett may have suffered from, what treatments his parents used, if they secretly used treatments in defiance of Scientology doctrine, or, even, the detailed circumstances of his death. Without any of that information, we have no way of knowing if his condition(s) was treatable and/or if his death could have been prevented. I specifically said that If Scientology doctrine failed Jett, then his parents have paid too high a price already, and they SHOULD question their faith. I certainly would. I pointed out that no parent should outlive their child-it happens too often, but it is no less tragic when it does, regardless of the circumstances. I also took the time to verify whether the rumor about Travolta leaving the CoS was true or not, and posted the correction by his agent.

Don't cherry pick my quotes to imply that I indulged in baseless speculation. I didn't.
 
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I remain skeptical that Travolta will leave Scientology. Even if he was disillusioned by it, at one point, his mind will "recover". He'll find some justification for sticking with it. He might be too far invested, and the church might be too far threatening, for him to turn back, now. Cognitive dissonance is like that, I'm afraid.

Parts of me hope that I am wrong. But, not the realistic ones. :(
 
desertgal, thanks for setting it straight.

desertgal said:
I also pointed out that the Daily Mail is not a reliable source. I pointed out that the Daily Mail article refers to an alleged treatable condition, not a confirmed one. I pointed out that we have no idea what conditions Jett may have suffered from, what treatments his parents used, if they secretly used treatments in defiance of Scientology doctrine, or, even, the detailed circumstances of his death. Without any of that information, we have no way of knowing if his condition(s) was treatable and/or if his death could have been prevented. I specifically said that If Scientology doctrine failed Jett, then his parents have paid too high a price already, and they SHOULD question their faith. I certainly would. I pointed out that no parent should outlive their child-it happens too often, but it is no less tragic when it does, regardless of the circumstances. I also took the time to verify whether the rumor about Travolta leaving the CoS was true or not, and posted the correction by his agent.

Don't cherry pick my quotes to imply that I indulged in baseless speculation. I didn't.
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desertgal,
You were quick to correct me on the "alleged" treatable condition and quite right about it.

I am deeply sorry John and Kelly have lost a son, I cannot imagine that pain.

My opinion of Scientology remains the same, but maybe I should not have combined this terrible tragedy with my sour opinion about Scientology.
 
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desertgal,
You were quick to correct me on the "alleged" treatable condition and quite right about it.

I am deeply sorry John and Kelly have lost a son, I cannot imagine that pain.

My opinion of Scientology remains the same, but maybe I should not have combined this terrible tragedy with my sour opinion about Scientology.
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Well, I believe we share the same opinions about Scientology. :)
 
"Don't cherry pick my quotes to imply that I indulged in baseless speculation. I didn't."

I'm not implying. I'm directly stating. And you did and are speculating wildly and without basis.
 
fredcarr said:
That sure isn't the Church of Scientology. We have very strict policy about sending parishioners to medical doctors for treatment.
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I love how this guy takes it for granted that it's appropriate for a church to "send" their parishioners for medical treatment. If they don't obey, do they have to undertake re-education?
 
fredcarr said:
That sure isn't the Church of Scientology. We have very strict policy about sending parishioners to medical doctors for treatment.


BTW lol @ the wild speculation that occurs on such a skeptical site.
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And another strict policy that doesn't allow them to take the medications the doctor prescribes. Tory Christman wasn't allowed to take her epilepsy medications, ergo it isn't much of a stretch to assume that the Travoltas were told by their Scientology advisors that Jett Travolta shouldn't take his epilepsy medication either, and now he's dead.

Looks like the auditing and vitamins failed again, this time with fatal results.
 
A friend of comedian Kathy Griffin told her after she was in the church to do research for a tv pilot that Travolta and Cruise are in the church and are afraid of leaving because auditors have gay confessions in their file cabinets (or file closets?).
 
fredcarr said:
"Don't cherry pick my quotes to imply that I indulged in baseless speculation. I didn't."

I'm not implying. I'm directly stating. And you did and are speculating wildly and without basis.
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Where?

fredcarr said:
More wild speculations...

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php...st-gossip-about-travolta-and-scientology.html

lol!
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You keep asserting that, but you consistently fail to prove otherwise. Smoke and mirrors. If the speculation is baseless, prove it.

fredcarr said:
That sure isn't the Church of Scientology. We have very strict policy about sending parishioners to medical doctors for treatment.
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Really? You only go to the doctor if your church tells you to?
 
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John Travolta is disappointed that the religion was not able to help his son more. It's led him to question his faith. This religion like any other religion that forbids its members to use medicine causes people to die. If his son needed medicine to keep his seizures in check then he should have had the damn medicine. Travolta should leave this idiotic religion and he should never have been a member in the first place.
 
Bill Thompson said:
A friend of comedian Kathy Griffin told her after she was in the church to do research for a tv pilot that Travolta and Cruise are in the church and are afraid of leaving because auditors have gay confessions in their file cabinets (or file closets?).
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Like an already public picture of Travolta kissing another man on the mouth on the steps of a jet? The cult has a lot more black mail material than simple sexual indiscretions.

That is how they maintain their existence: brainwash, extort.... I should shut up....
 
fredcarr said:
That sure isn't the Church of Scientology. We have very strict policy about sending parishioners to medical doctors for treatment.
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Even for illnesses such as depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder?
 
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