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Mark A. Siefert said:
Yes, I'm sick. Sick and tired of living in a world where people are not only allowed to believe lies but foist them on everyone else. Religious lies that area a millstone around human progress. Lies that lead to death, war, and oppression. Lies that that our civilization coddles and gives special protections to.
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Yes, you're such a brave little hero, struggling against current, boldly defending the banner of Truth against the constant onslaught of the disgusting, subhuman, masses!

No.

You're just an angry, sad individual who likes to feel "special," and are taking your anger out on people who don't necessarily deserve it.

Just like god, there are no such things as "rights." There are only privileges that are given and taken away by the State. If you want to keep those privileges you have to fight those who are feverishly working to take them away from you.

My privileges don't matter to the theists, why should their privileges matter to me?
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Sweet crumbly Christ with Limburger cheese, could you sound any more fascistic?

First you're ranting and raving about people being "subhuman" and now it's how their rights can and should be taken away by the State.

Do you seriously not see how this is firmly in the "Not Good" category?

Oh don't worry, I have no intention of spending my life in a prison cell for harming anyone. I may be angry, but I'm not stupid.
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Evidence?

Just tell them to leave me alone and keep their moronic "faith" far, far away from me, my government, the classrooms my taxes pay for, and my civilization and I'll be right as rain.
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No. No, you won't.



I do see evil here, but it's not coming from theists.
 
Cleon said:
Yes, you're such a brave little hero, struggling against current, boldly defending the banner of Truth against the constant onslaught of the disgusting, subhuman, masses!

No.

You're just an angry, sad individual who likes to feel "special," and are taking your anger out on people who don't necessarily deserve it.
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Oh please, spare me your amateur psychoanalysis.

What would you have me do? Huh? Write papers? Give speeches? Take part in one useless debate after another that go no where and do nothing?

It hasn't worked in convincing the theists that they are wrong in the past. What makes you think that it's going to work now or in the future?

In the meantime, the Creationists are still worming their way into our education system. Gays were stripped of their "privilege" to marry one another in California last fall largely thanks to the votes of the religionists. We've got Islamic terrorism versus Zionism with the U.S. happily dragging itself on to the latter's side because fundies want the "Holy Land" to be held by the Jews for the day JEEZ-us comes back.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT IT? HUH??


Cleon said:
Sweet crumbly Christ with Limburger cheese, could you sound any more fascistic?
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Well, sainted, blessed, democracy has done such a WONDERFUL job at keeping church and state separate by giving the theist majority the right to squash the atheist minority!

Cleon said:
First you're ranting and raving about people being "subhuman" and now it's how their rights can and should be taken away by the State.

Do you seriously not see how this is firmly in the "Not Good" category?
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I didn't say that they should be taken away. I said that if you want to keep your alleged rights, you better be damn ready to fight for them.

We atheists/skeptics/humanists are not fighting, we're talk, talk, talk, talk...
Cleon said:
Evidence?
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I thought I was innocent until proven guilty.

Cleon said:
No. No, you won't.
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If you think you can read my thoughts, Cleon, then you might have a shot at the MDC.

Cleon said:
I do see evil here, but it's not coming from theists.
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Then you are blind.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
Read Harris. Read Dawkins. "Moderate" and "liberal" theism enables fundamentalism.
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Calling the liberal and moderate theists "evil" non-persons is absurd, and serves only to make atheists look like bigoted, psychotic Stalinists.
You're calling almost everyone's grandma these things, dude.
But good luck with that approach.
 
Fine! I'm a wicked, bad, evil, sick person for thinking less of the theists than is politically correct!

There, are you happy?

It still doesn't solve the goddamn problem of a world mired in superstition!
 
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Mark A. Siefert said:
Fine! I'm a wicked, bad, evil, sick person for thinking less of the theists than is politically correct!

There, are you happy?

It still doesn't solve the goddamn problem of a world mired in superstition!
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I used to be Christian, and interacting online with smart, friendly atheists was crucial to my acceptance of the fact that religion was not necessarily what produced ethics and morality. (which was a necessary step in being able to question god's existence.)

You catch more flies with honey, and all that.
 
kellyb said:
I used to be Christian, and interacting online with smart, friendly atheists was crucial to my acceptance of the fact that religion was not necessarily what produced ethics and morality. (which was a necessary step in being able to question god's existence.)
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I'm sorry that I don't have the patience or temperament to be "smart" or "friendly."
 
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kellyb said:
You're calling almost everyone's grandma these things, dude.
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Right, and those grandmas in California who marched into the voting booths to vote "Yes" on Prop 10 and took away the ability for gays to marry, where they just a few religious fanatics from the RCC or the LSD or were they your average, "morderate" Christian?

There is no way that there are that many fundamentalists in California.
 
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The Painter said:
Funny, I don't feel squashed.
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I do.

I feel it every time I hear some right-wing commentator accuse me and other atheists of being Communist; every time I'm told by my father that "I don't believe in anything" because I no longer go to Mass; every time I have to keep my mouth shut while some religious or woo ass tells me that "science doesn't know everything" or that "evolution is just a theory" when what I really want to do is scream my head off in their face about how wrong they are; every time I read a church sign telling me how I deserved to be tortured for all eternity because I have the brains to see that there are no magic men who live in the sky.

I want to scream. I want act up. I knock the Creationist's teeth down their throats. I want to burn down their churches and temples and build brothels over the top of them. I want their holy books recycled into toilet paper.

But that's not the "nice" thing to do. That would only give them ammo to use against us. They have to whole damn culture on their side to condemn us while all we do is chatter amongst ourselves in our forums and freethought clubs. If anyone dares to speak out, even when using he most milquetoast of languge, they're shouted down as being "militant"--EVEN BY OTHER SO-CALLED ATHEISTS!

I feel more than squashed, I feel suffocated.

So you'll forgive me for not being a fan of my theist neighbors.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
I do.

I feel it every time I hear some right-wing commentator accuse me and other atheists of being Communist; every time I'm told by my father that "I don't believe in anything" because I no longer go to Mass; every time I have to keep my mouth shut while some religious or woo ass tells me that "science doesn't know everything" or that "evolution is just a theory" when what I really want to do is scream my head off in their face about how wrong they are; every time I read a church sign telling me how I deserved to be tortured for all eternity because I have the brains to see that there are no magic men who live in the sky.

I want to scream. I want act up. I knock the Creationist's teeth down their throats. I want to burn down their churches and temples and build brothels over the top of them. I want their holy books recycled into toilet paper.

But that's not the "nice" thing to do. That would only give them ammo to use against us. They have to whole damn culture on their side to condemn us while all we do is chatter amongst ourselves in our forums and freethought clubs. If anyone dares to speak out, even when using he most milquetoast of languge, they're shouted down as being "militant"--EVEN BY OTHER SO-CALLED ATHEISTS!

I feel more than squashed, I feel suffocated.

So you'll forgive me for not being a fan of my theist neighbors.
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Please go see a psychiatrist.

I don't mean that as an insult. I have a psychiatrist. They can help.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
I do.

I feel it every time I hear some right-wing commentator accuse me and other atheists of being Communist; every time I'm told by my father that "I don't believe in anything" because I no longer go to Mass; every time I have to keep my mouth shut while some religious or woo ass tells me that "science doesn't know everything" or that "evolution is just a theory" when what I really want to do is scream my head off in their face about how wrong they are; every time I read a church sign telling me how I deserved to be tortured for all eternity because I have the brains to see that there are no magic men who live in the sky.

I want to scream. I want act up. I knock the Creationist's teeth down their throats. I want to burn down their churches and temples and build brothels over the top of them. I want their holy books recycled into toilet paper.

But that's not the "nice" thing to do. That would only give them ammo to use against us. They have to whole damn culture on their side to condemn us while all we do is chatter amongst ourselves in our forums and forethought clubs. If anyone dares to speak out, even when using he most milquetoast of language, they're shouted down as being "militant"--EVEN BY OTHER SO-CALLED ATHEISTS!

I feel more than squashed, I feel suffocated.

So you'll forgive me for not being a fan of my theist neighbors.
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Just curious, how old are you?
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
I do.

I feel it every time I hear some right-wing commentator accuse me and other atheists of being Communist; every time I'm told by my father that "I don't believe in anything" because I no longer go to Mass; every time I have to keep my mouth shut while some religious or woo ass tells me that "science doesn't know everything" or that "evolution is just a theory" when what I really want to do is scream my head off in their face about how wrong they are; every time I read a church sign telling me how I deserved to be tortured for all eternity because I have the brains to see that there are no magic men who live in the sky.

I want to scream. I want act up. I knock the Creationist's teeth down their throats. I want to burn down their churches and temples and build brothels over the top of them. I want their holy books recycled into toilet paper.

But that's not the "nice" thing to do. That would only give them ammo to use against us. They have to whole damn culture on their side to condemn us while all we do is chatter amongst ourselves in our forums and freethought clubs. If anyone dares to speak out, even when using he most milquetoast of languge, they're shouted down as being "militant"--EVEN BY OTHER SO-CALLED ATHEISTS!

I feel more than squashed, I feel suffocated.

So you'll forgive me for not being a fan of my theist neighbors.
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This is not normal, yo.
I feel irritated by the theists, too, but your feelings are out of the range of the normal, and you need to either fix this yourself or seek help.
Because this is not normal.
 
kellyb said:
This is not normal, yo.
I feel irritated by the theists, too, but your feelings are out of the range of the normal, and you need to either fix this yourself or seek help.
Because this is not normal.
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And definitely not healthy.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
Fine! I'm a wicked, bad, evil, sick person for thinking less of the theists than is politically correct!
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There's politically correct ("I deeply respect your faith") and then there is bordeline psychotic hatred.

Calm down Mark. You'll never get a girlfriend with this behaviour. It's just, well, just not very civilised.
 
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That you are not acting like a civilised human being. You use the word a lot, so what is your definition of a civilised person? As my definition is not being seen here.

On the issue of civil rights, Martin Luther and Malcolm X didn't hold back in their language, but there was never this degree of venom (Burning down churches? Come on.).

On the girlfriend front, nonesense. Just change your attitude.
 
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And if I may be so bold as to shift this thread back on topic; how the hell is anyone supposed to think that Jimmy Carter is actually serious about standing up for the rights of women while he shills for radical islam?

Has Jimmeh ever condemned honor killings? Has he apologized for supporting Hamas or it's parent organization The Muslim Brotherhood (which also founded Al-Queada)?

No?

Well then he can stuff his two-faced hypocritical pie-hole about some church that has not endorsed or turned a blind eye to fathers beating their daughters to death for being seen with a boy in public after 9:00 pm.
 
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