Message from a Truther

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I have already said that I am not a no-planer because it just seems to be too complicated. To me it would make more sense to have used real planes. Nevertheless there are certain things that support the no-planes theory strongly. So I am playing the role of a no-planer here to better explore some of those things.

You don't seem to be here to explore those things. It seems that you ignore most, if not all, of the reference links that have been posted for you. You attempt to debate by using whatever preconceived notions you have in your mind.

 

[bill smith]

Yes, Bill, actually studying the videos and measuring the deceleration is the best he's got. You've lost it, Bill: seek help.

Actually I have measured it. So has T.. There is no deceleration of the plane.

 

[FineWine]

By how much did Greening say the plane decelerated again ?....I can't quite remember.....lol

No, you can't remember. It's right in front of your nose, but you can't remember.

For your next trick, explain why the significance of your delusion has escaped EVERY aeronautical engineer and physicist in the WORLD. Tell us why you refuse to watch Mackey's extremely lucid (well, not lucid enough for complete morons) lecture. Tell us what the working scientists get wrong, Bill.

Remember, in a world with no Jews, hands will still be able to break bricks; water will still be able to cut steel. You can never win, Bill. Science and reason beats hatred and stupidity.

 

[FineWine]

Actually I have measured it. So has T.. There is no deceleration of the plane.

No, Bill, you haven't measured anything. You dreamed that the mountains of steel New Yorkers walked by for months had been dustified by imaginary beam weapons. I linked you to a thread, Bill. You can't understand a word that's in it. Seek help, Bill.

 

[DGM]

Interesting video but misleading as debunker videos usually are. I am not a no-planer for the simple reason that it just seems to be too complicated. Easier just to use real planes. Nevertheless I do not rule it out altogether considering the evidence. (Whether real or manufactured as disinformation)

Look at it his way. the plane in WTC2 aparently bulldozed through 33 of these columns without losing any speed. It did not shatter and fall down he front of the building as many might expect for a fragile aicraft composed of aluminium as thin as 1mm. In fact not a single gram of aircraft is seen to fall down the front of the building.

The 33 columns that were apparently severed were 14'' x 14'' box columns of 1/4'' steel. They may have been only 1/4'' steel but hey were also 14'' DEEP and were lying braced at 12-foot intervals against the concrete floors. The fuselage of the plane was itself 13 feet in diameter. Think about it. Not a gram fell ff the plane on the outside and it measurably lost zero speed in the impact with a 500,000 ton building that apparently swayed back and forth for four minutes after the impact. The plane weighed one-quarter of one-half of one-tenth of one percent of the building's weight. The veritable mosquito. Quite a fast mosquito though if you think that is enough.

Bill:
Would you like to expand on this? If so, I would be happy to shoot very large holes in your (supposed) understanding. Care to give it a go?

 

[bill smith]

No, Bill, you haven't measured anything. You dreamed that the mountains of steel New Yorkers walked by for months had been dustified by imaginary beam weapons. I linked you to a thread, Bill. You can't understand a word that's in it. Seek help, Bill.

I see the old weakness setting in with you again Finewine.lol

 

[bill smith]

Bill:
Would you like to expand on this? If so, I would be happy to shoot very large holes in your (supposed) understanding. Care to give it a go?

Go for it. It's there in front of you. Shoot away.

 

[TruthersLie]

handwave some more bill..

then run and hide from simple videos like anthony lawson's.

run and hide billy boy.

 

[FineWine]

I see the old weakness setting in with you again Finewine.lol

Hey, a great substantive response, Bill! So, we agree that Greening is a real scientist and you are an uneducated fanatic. Your constant avoidance of the point's devastating implications shows that we also agree that the collapsing floors are the BIG PART. Now, Greening showed how he measured the deceleration. You can't criticize his methodology because you don't know anything. Your empty-headed hatred has let you down again, Bill.

Another poster, Gumboot, who bulks very large in all the mad Ace Baker threads, is a video expert who points out that the quality of the videos available to you armchair experts simply doesn't permit the sort of analysis you pretend to do.

You watched Ace's "debate," didn't you? Ace did very, very poorly.

 

[bill smith]

Hey, a great substantive response, Bill! So, we agree that Greening is a real scientist and you are an uneducated fanatic. Your constant avoidance of the point's devastating implications shows that we also agree that the collapsing floors are the BIG PART. Now, Greening showed how he measured the deceleration. You can't criticize his methodology because you don't know anything. Your empty-headed hatred has let you down again, Bill.

Another poster, Gumboot, who bulks very large in all the mad Ace Baker threads, is a video expert who points out that the quality of the videos available to you armchair experts simply doesn't permit the sort of analysis you pretend to do.

You watched Ace's "debate," didn't you? Ace did very, very poorly.

Go to bed FineWine. It will be another day tomorrow. I'm finshed toying with you for today.

 

[FineWine]

Go to bed FineWine. It will be another day tomorrow. I'm finshed toying with you for today.

Oh, gee, Bill, and just when I thought I was starting to catch up. We tigers are so grateful when aged, diseased sheep only toy with us. We'd hate it if we had to face your full strength.

Yes, you're quite finished today. You've been beaten to the usual bloody pulp. You were destroyed on every stupid issue you raised. Same old, same old.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Bill: post 137?

 

[bill smith]

Are you suggesting that the reality of the situation should be akin to Wile E. Coyote slamming into the face of a cliff and sliding down?



And a 200 grain .45 caliber bullet is .0184% of my body weight, but I have no doubt about its ability to penetrate my skin without an apprpeciable loss of speed.. Your point?

That's a lot more likely than ol' Wile making a cartoon cut-out in 33 14'' steel box columns when you think about it.

A bullet is not a good analogy. That is a dense lump of of a heavy metal. A plane is 100-some tons of mostly light thin aluminium spread out all over the place with the only really dense parts being the two six-ton engines and parts of the landing gear.

 

[beachnut]

Tht's a lot more likely than ol;;Wile making a cartoon cut-out in 33 14'' box columns when you think about it.

A bullet is not a good analogy. That is a dense lump of of a heavy metal. A plane is 100-some tons of mostly light thin aluminium spread out all over the place with the only really dense parts being the two six-ton engines and parts of the landing gear.

Why do they building planes out of Aluminum? Strength. Sorry you really need some engineering knowledge if you are going to make up anti-intellectual BS and have it go down easier.

Stop posting junk science and get some education.

Please tell us how much energy the plane impacts on 911 were before you post your delusional tripe.

How do birds bring down planes or damage steel? How do deer cause damage to cars? You ideas on mass and energy lack knowledge and logic. Why do you insist on posing delusions on 911? How does karate work?

 

[FineWine]

Tht's a lot more likely than ol' Wile making a cartoon cut-out in 33 14'' box columns when you think about it.

A bullet is not a good analogy. That is a dense lump of of a heavy metal. A plane is 100-some tons of mostly light thin aluminium spread out all over the place with the only really dense parts being the two six-ton engines and parts of the landing gear.

Earth to Bill: Mackey devoted one entire part of his three-part lecture to the physics of the plane crashes. Will you ever watch it?

Remember, Bill, a fluffy bird can damage a titanium fan blade. Morgan Reynolds is hiding under his bed and Fetzer is nuts.

 

[alexi_drago]

That's a lot more likely than ol' Wile making a cartoon cut-out in 33 14'' steel box columns when you think about it.

A bullet is not a good analogy. That is a dense lump of of a heavy metal. A plane is 100-some tons of mostly light thin aluminium spread out all over the place with the only really dense parts being the two six-ton engines and parts of the landing gear.

Could a water ballon made of rubber only a fraction of a mm thick break a window?

 

[beachnut]

Could a water ballon made of rubber only a fraction of a mm thick break a window?

You expect someone to use physics when their expertise is posting delusions made up by other people?

 

[bill smith]

Why do they building planes out of Aluminum? Strength. Sorry you really need some engineering knowledge if you are going to make up anti-intellectual BS and have it go down easier.

Stop posting junk science and get some education.

Please tell us how much energy the plane impacts on 911 were before you post your delusional tripe.

How do birds bring down planes or damage steel? How do deer cause damage to cars? You ideas on mass and energy lack knowledge and logic. Why do you insist on posing delusions on 911? How does karate work?

I agree that birds can bring down a delicate fragile aircraft but can you show me evidence for your assertion that they can damage steel ?

 

[bill smith]

Could a water ballon made of rubber only a fraction of a mm thick break a window?

Can you give an example ?

 

[FineWine]

I agree that birds can bring down a dlelicate fragle aircraft but can you show me evidence for your assertion that they can damage steel ?

Mackey explained how paint flakes moving 10,000 mph can damage a space shuttle. When will you watch his lecture, Bill? Tell us what he gets wrong. I say that you could shoot a tomato through a brick wall if you accelerated it sufficiently. What do you think, Bill? Are all the physicists wrong?