Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

[The Fool]

You're confusing "mourning" with "whining". They are whining about something that happened 60 years ago. What's the use of commemorating something nobody can do anything about anymore?

I would normally only expect to see this sort of stuff from Racists and Holocaust deniers but I congratulate you in your attempts to make it a more mainstream view.

They are mourning. Mourning the deaths and displacement of close family members. They don't have the luxury of distance that you have to enable them to process it through a filter of Ignorance and offensive bigotry....

 

[Marc39]

Its hilarious the way you want to tell people what they are mourning.

There's nothing "hilarious" about the disgrace of citizens of a country that has gone to war to protect them mourning its creation. If they pulled that Nakba jazz in Turkey, they would be looking at the inside of a jail and the last place you want to be is in a Turkish jail.

They are mourning the things that happened to them, the things you want to erase from history.

Except, nothing "happened" to "them" with respect to the reestablislhment of Israel. Thus, their bitterness over Israel is manufactured and a complete farce, and, merely serves to keep them entrenched in the past, instead of looking ahead, which is a reason for their failure in establishing a viable so-called Palestinian society.

Furthermore, violence is often attendant to the Nakba parades and they incite future violence by furthering the fallacy of an injustice having been perpetrated against them. Meanwhile, I don't see those crybabies lining up to emigrate from Israel.

 

[The Fool]

You're confusing "mourning" with "whining". They are whining about something that happened 60 years ago. What's the use of commemorating something nobody can do anything about anymore?

Congratulations, I think you win the offensive post of the week.

 

[Marc39]

They are mourning. Mourning the deaths and displacement of close family members. They don't have the luxury of distance that you have to enable them to process it through a filter of Ignorance and offensive bigotry....

"Death and displacement" caused by "close family members" who chose to try to destroy Israel and annihilate Jews by going to war with Israel. Death and displacement is a natural consequence of war. Furthermore, their "close family members" were offered statehood, which they flatly rejected. There's no room for boo hoo hoo'ing.

 

[linusrichard]

Congratulations, I think you win the offensive post of the week.

Not so fast!

Death and displacement is a natural consequence of war. ... There's no room for boo hoo hoo'ing.

 

[Marc39]

There used to be a country called Palestine, yes, in the last century.

Incorrect. Palestine was always viewed by Arabs as part of the vilayets of Syria and Lebanon, governed by Beirut and Damascus for centuries during Ottoman rule.

If the US (I guess you are an American?) were taken over, and a different state founded in its place, would you wish your children and grandchildren to not call themselves "Americans"? Would you think if they did call themselves "Americans," that "other aspects of their history" would be "inherently not credible"? To make the question fair, assume that the new state "accords them rights and freedoms only dreamed about in" the US.

Did I mention Palestine was not and is not a country?

 

[Marc39]

I don't see how the excerpt I quoted feeds or promotes the Arab perspective. It's merely a descriptive statement.

Correction: It's merely a propagandistic descriptive statement.

And let's say for the sake of argument - I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing here - that the Arabs are suffering from a "psychosis of victimization and revenge". Even a criminal profiler strives to understand a psycho from the psycho's perspective. I think censorship here will only harm Israelis by making them less aware of what's going on around them, and why. It's a head-in-the-sand move. Arab anger and the perceived reasons for it won't go away because Israelis refuse to recognize them.

Arab anger is only exacerbated by the Nakba nonsense. They are acting like infants and Israel needs to intervene and parent them to behave like adults.

The creation of a taboo on use of the word nakba will also give the impression that Israel has something to hide, somethng to cover up and suppress. Not smart.

Such Nakba parades are subversive and treasonous. Israel has a right to protect its internal security by banning inciteful propaganda.

 

[linusrichard]

Incorrect. Palestine was always viewed by Arabs as part of the vilayets of Syria and Lebanon, governed by Beirut and Damascus for centuries during Ottoman rule.

Did I mention Palestine was not and is not a country?

I guess it just depends on what you mean by "country." There was never (to my knowledge) a self-governing modern nation-state that went by the name of "Palestine." So if that's what you mean, fine. It's kind of beside the point, though. What the name is, or was, doesn't change what happened. But it's obviously useless to discuss that, since you have your mind made up about your version of it.

 

[Marc39]

I guess it just depends on what you mean by "country." There was never (to my knowledge) a self-governing modern nation-state that went by the name of "Palestine." So if that's what you mean, fine. It's kind of beside the point, though. What the name is, or was, doesn't change what happened. But it's obviously useless to discuss that, since you have your mind made up about your version of it.

I'll be more specific: For most of history, Arabs living in Palestine did not view themselves as Palestinians, nor, was there a Palestinian nation. Arabs in the territory for centuries were parochial in their identities. They identified themselves based on affiliations with tribes and clans, they identified themselves as Syrians or Ottoman nationals or they identified themselves by religious affiliations. In fact, Jews were known as Palestinians until the rebirth of Israel, when Jews then became Israelis.

 

[The Fool]

Such Nakba parades are subversive and treasonous. Israel has a right to protect its internal security by banning inciteful propaganda.

sorry...I thought you were quoting Deng Xiaoping until I spotted the word "nakba"...

hey...here is an Idea. What about removing the word subversion from books too....then they wouldn't be able to do it.

 

[The Fool]

Such Nakba parades are subversive and treasonous. Israel has a right to protect its internal security by banning inciteful propaganda.

sorry...I thought you were quoting Deng Xiaoping until I spotted the word "nakba"...

hey...here is an Idea. What about removing the word subversion from books too....then they wouldn't be able to do it.

 

[The Fool]

I'll be more specific: For most of history, Arabs living in Palestine did not view themselves as Palestinians, nor, was there a Palestinian nation. Arabs in the territory for centuries were parochial in their identities. They identified themselves based on affiliations with tribes and clans, they identified themselves as Syrians or Ottoman nationals or they identified themselves by religious affiliations. In fact, Jews were known as Palestinians until the rebirth of Israel, when Jews then became Israelis.

so at the moment of the creation Palestinians who were Jews became Israelis but all the other palestinians didn't....they turned into "so-called Palestinians"....that about sum it up?

 

[Marc39]

sorry...I thought you were quoting Deng Xiaoping until I spotted the word "nakba"...

hey...here is an Idea. What about removing the word subversion from books too....then they wouldn't be able to do it.

Harry Truman instituted a Loyalty Program during his administration and certain states today, such as California, continue to require loyalty oaths for employees. Turkey, considered one of the more enlightened countries in the region, prohibits the denigration of Turkey, Turkish customs and Turkish institutions, punishable by up to three years in prison. Last time I checked, a couple dozen individuals, including prominent writers merely exercising free speech, were detained or imprisoned by the Turkish gov't for violating this law. Anyone daring to protest the actual existence of Turkey would be met with dire consequences. Israel has no less right to preserve order and security.

 

[Marc39]

so at the moment of the creation Palestinians who were Jews became Israelis but all the other palestinians didn't....they turned into "so-called Palestinians"....that about sum it up?

No, it doesn't even come close to summing it up. Arafat and his cohorts concocted the fiction of the "Palestinian People" as a propoganda tool against Israel, recognizing that Arabs were incapable of destroying Israel militarily, after repeated failed attempts, and that the only way in which Israel could be weakened would be in delegitimization. Israel would have to be transformed from being the David persecuted by the Arab Goliaths, which was the international community's view of the conflict at the time, to Israel being the Goliath persecuting a hapless adversary---Hellooo, "Palestinian People"! And, it has proven a brilliant strategy. This about sums it up.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

The Israeli Arabs are mourning the creation of the country in which they live

Stupid me thought it was the war that drove them into a life of refugee camps and terrorism.

"Death and displacement" caused by "close family members" who chose to try to destroy Israel and annihilate Jews by going to war with Israel. Death and displacement is a natural consequence of war. Furthermore, their "close family members" were offered statehood, which they flatly rejected. There's no room for boo hoo hoo'ing.

You're confusing "mourning" with "whining". They are whining about something that happened 60 years ago. What's the use of commemorating something nobody can do anything about anymore?

Wow.

 

[Marc39]

Stupid me thought it was the war that drove them into a life of refugee camps and terrorism.

A war initiated by the Arabs. Refugee camps cynically maintained by the oil-rich Arab League for propaganda purposes by denying the "refugees" (Today, there are few real refugees) citizenship and providing just enough financial aid to keep them alive. The terrorism is based on a combination of anti-Semitic Qur'anic verses and Arab--Muslim cultural indoctrination.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

I agree completely.

Arabs should come up with a new word, a word for "live with it", or "move on".



You're confusing "mourning" with "whining". They are whining about something that happened 60 years ago. What's the use of commemorating something nobody can do anything about anymore?

If people from some other continent start moving into your area and taking over homes, you'd bomb the **** out of them, not give up sixty years later and call it a loss. Especially if the area is small.

 

[Marc39]

If people from some other continent start moving into your area and taking over homes, you'd bomb the **** out of them, not give up sixty years later and call it a loss. Especially if the area is small.

Excuse me, what state in the world advocates bombing people for merely immigrating to their country? What a ghastly moral compass.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Excuse me, what state in the world advocates bombing people for merely immigrating to their country? What a ghastly moral compass.

"Merely immigrating" to you might be "taking our country over" and "stealing our land and resources" to others. To many people, allowing outsiders to take your land exhibits a ghastly moral compass.

 

[Kookwatcher]

They are acting like infants and Israel needs to intervene and parent them to behave like adults.

Hahahaha, OK, gotcha.

Happy trolling, little buddy.