The Professor - Still At It...

rjh01 said:
As for the blackmail tapes see this. I think this deals with the issue http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/525-a-champion-grubbie-speaks-out.html. If Randi had committed any crime he would be charged and locked up. The fact that he is a free man indicates he is innocent.

Edit. And the thread that goes with it Pro Uri Gellar article with crazy innuendos regarding James Randi
The Professor knows about this thread as he has some posts in the thread.
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The fact that he is a free man does not indicate that Randi's innocent. I believe he's innocent because the accusations appear to be baseless, but I take issue with the logic that not being charged and sentenced means one is innocent (ie, a person could be guilty but not charged because of lack of evidence).

By the way, for you masochists out there, you can also catch The Prof at the "Stand The Test" forum (and others) at The Magic Café.
 
I'm gonna chase The Prof around the net for a while*,let as many forum members see what a jerk he is. When he fails to back up any of his claims the cracks will show.

*Aside from magic Cafe -I just couldn't stand being on there again!
 
jimtron said:
The fact that he is a free man does not indicate that Randi's innocent. I believe he's innocent because the accusations appear to be baseless, but I take issue with the logic that not being charged and sentenced means one is innocent (ie, a person could be guilty but not charged because of lack of evidence).

By the way, for you masochists out there, you can also catch The Prof at the "Stand The Test" forum (and others) at The Magic Café.
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Depends, of course, on your context. If you're talking moral guilt, your response is fine. If you want legal, you're wrong. Legally, after the decision is made, you have only guilty and not guilty, one of which is true and the other false.
 
rjh01 said:
If there is a lack of evidence that Randi is guilty then we must assume he is innocent and the tapes are worthless.
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I agree.

Woos need a bogeyman. With Scientologists, it's psychiatry. With Homeopaths, it's the AMA and "big pharma." With MDC applicants and others who claim paranormal abilities, it's Randi. In the case of Randi as bogeyman, they're shooting the messenger. The magicians and mentalists at the Magic Café are obsessed with Randi--try searching his name over there. I wish they would spend more time demonstrating the authenticity of their claims instead of making ad hom attacks on Randi.
 
shadron said:
Depends, of course, on your context. If you're talking moral guilt, your response is fine. If you want legal, you're wrong. Legally, after the decision is made, you have only guilty and not guilty, one of which is true and the other false.
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Right. My point was that a person could commit a crime and be found innocent of that crime by a court of law. The innocent verdict doesn't mean they didn't do it, it means they weren't proven guilty. But I do think "innocent until proven guilty" is a good policy.

And once again, I believe Randi is a victim of a smear campaign, being accused of heinous stuff without evidence.
 
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jimtron said:
The fact that he is a free man does not indicate that Randi's innocent. I believe he's innocent because the accusations appear to be baseless, but I take issue with the logic that not being charged and sentenced means one is innocent (ie, a person could be guilty but not charged because of lack of evidence).

By the way, for you masochists out there, you can also catch The Prof at the "Stand The Test" forum (and others) at The Magic Café.
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Depends, of course, on your context. If you're talking moral guilt, your response is fine. If you want legal, you're wrong. Legally, after the decision is made, you have only guilty and not guilty, one of which is true and the other false.

Pedants arise.
 
People can't see past Randi. If they have paranormal abilities and can't get a test or fail atest with Randi,then go elsewhere. Find a scientific body somewhere(or whatever)and prove it to them. The old "it's a publicity stunt its never going to be paid,tehy cant afford tolose the money" doesn't hold water either. How much money would Randi/JREF make from someone winning(therefore genuine paranormal abilities).?
 
Proffy's mindless ranting aside, I'm always bothered by statements like these:

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]Anyone? Anyone? There is much to be clarified here. How these tapes came to be released to the public, what Randi's official position is on the tapes, etc. One skeptic said something to the effect that Randi admitted that he did these, but on the cops behalf, which doesn't make any sense. Any further information?
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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, who freaking cares? That tape is what...almost 30 years old? The fact that it seems to titillate people like this says a lot more about them than it does about James Randi.

Skepcop said:
I've always wondered why Randi never got married. For some reason, this is like a taboo subject that's not even discussed on skeptic forums.
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Why should it be discussed? Not taboo, but Randi's orientation and his reasons for never marrying are his own business. What happened almost 30 years ago was between him, the youth(s) involved, and the cops.

If they have nothing better to talk about, they need to turn off the computer and read a book. Go outside. Take up hang gliding. Do something else.

Koenig and Callahan aren't worth discussing. Flat idiots, both of them.
 
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kookbreaker said:
I suspect this site may be little more than a combination of Winston Wu, Victor Zammit, and Lucianarchy, all of whom are in the same psycho boat as Koenig.
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Whoa. That's a combination of folding-in-on-itself-from-density and forming a black hole of suck level of woo there.
 
Azrael 5 said:
I'm gonna chase The Prof around the net for a while*,let as many forum members see what a jerk he is. When he fails to back up any of his claims the cracks will show.

*Aside from magic Cafe -I just couldn't stand being on there again!
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I've tried posting there but if anyone seems to be skeptical or post on JREF, then it's a dogpile on that person. I've never seen such a collection of loonies in my life, and their moderators are as wacko as any. I've seen Tom delete posts and entire threads for no other reason than they are going against him or Dave. I always feel like I need a shower after visiting The Magic Cafe.
 
RoboTimbo said:
I've tried posting there but if anyone seems to be skeptical or post on JREF, then it's a dogpile on that person. I've never seen such a collection of loonies in my life, and their moderators are as wacko as any. I've seen Tom delete posts and entire threads for no other reason than they are going against him or Dave. I always feel like I need a shower after visiting The Magic Cafe.
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You essentially have a combination of

a) Magicians who are woo.
b) Magicians who think they are unrecognized geniuses and consider all successful or famous magicians are hacks compared to them
c) Magicians who think all famous & successful magicians are hacks.

and anyone coming in from JREF already has strikes against them since Randi is famous and hangs out with that successful Penn & Teller. Add in the woo factor and the MC crowd would support a child raping homeopath as a way to snub JREF.
 
kookbreaker said:
You essentially have a combination of

a) Magicians who are woo.
b) Magicians who think they are unrecognized geniuses and consider all successful or famous magicians are hacks compared to them
c) Magicians who think all famous & successful magicians are hacks.

and anyone coming in from JREF already has strikes against them since Randi is famous and hangs out with that successful Penn & Teller. Add in the woo factor and the MC crowd would support a child raping homeopath as a way to snub JREF.
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Plus Penn and Teller "expose" magic just like magician Ian Rowland because he wrote a book about cold reading! :rolleyes:
 
Actually, the vast majority on the cafe know what Koenig really is. He was banned for a month but for some reason they let him come back.
As for the claim that all of us 'hacks' hate Penn & Teller, that is also unfounded:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=312874&forum=62&23
They got the vast majority of votes in my poll. Teller happens to be my favorite magician. Ever.
I'm also a huge Randi fan and have read two of his books. One several times. Once last week.
I realize that this doesn't represent the entire population of the cafe, but it shows why it isn't right to make presumptions about an entire group based on the poor actions of a select few.
I can see why you would think the things you do about the cafe, the 'bad types' are particularly vocal. Just know that we aren't all the same.
 
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critterrice said:
Actually, the vast majority on the cafe know what Koenig really is. He was banned for a month but for some reason they let him come back.

I realize that this doesn't represent the entire population of the cafe, but it shows why it isn't right to make presumptions about an entire group based on the poor actions of a select few.
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I do enjoy reading some of the more moderate posters. It's when that idiot of a moderator Tom jumps in that raises my hackles. I can't imagine what redeeming qualities he has that makes them keep him.
 
I understand.
I had a really bad experience with the moderators once because I had an opinion. I managed to find humor in it and move on. I like talking to my friends on there enough to ignore the politics. For now.
 
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