New study supports WTC controlled demolition

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JihadJane said:
Thanks for the link, 9/11-investigator.

And after the first rent-a-comment who could muster the will to read any more?

Who was it that said JREF was turning into a truther site?
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Are you a holocaust denier too?
 
Is 9/11-investigator able to answer a simple question?

9/11-investigator said:
Hokulele said:
This is idiocy that was dealt with over two years ago.

That's remarkable given that the paper came out 10 days ago.

Clairvoyant? Psychic abilities?

But I thought this was a sceptic site? :confused:
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Speaking of psychic abilities, the author of the paper you posted calls one second "12.729 seconds." How does he achieve this?
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MG1962 said:
Okay - what has a retired professor of religious studies specialising in Budhist studies got to contribute to either physics or engineering?

But that aside. Why does the professor ignore the potential of the vibrations of the collapse not to translate through the foundations well before (comparitively) the debris hitting the ground.
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The vibrations would actually begin as soon as the lower structure was unloaded (when the upper block was no longer supported and began to fall).

I don't actually know what magnitude such vibrations would generate however.
 
Hokulele

That is so mean to gold fish. I mean even Mythbusters managed to train goldfish. And these japanese dudes could as well... I'm not sure you can even housetrain a twoofer.
 
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The blithering idiot is still sticking by his assinine premise that every discription of an "explosion" is somehow related to demolition charges and then uses De Shore's descriptions of vehicles cooking off as proof of demolition.

I can't hold it back...
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Newtons Bit said:
The vibrations would actually begin as soon as the lower structure was unloaded (when the upper block was no longer supported and began to fall).

I don't actually know what magnitude such vibrations would generate however.
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Thank you for saying that better than I. And the tone of the paper is very dismissive. Rather than look at explanations for the seeming disparity of time in the signals, he assumes the data has been manipulated.
 
triforcharity said:
Blah blah blah.

So, there was an earth shaking demolition, but no shockwave?? Hummm......


Sounds like it was that HUSH-A-BOOM!!

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Indeed a seismic reading of an actual explosive is easily identified as a much sharper spike than that of heavy vibration. That is to say that the fundemental frequency of the wave is much higher for an explosion.


MG1962 said:
Okay - what has a retired professor of religious studies specialising in Budhist studies got to contribute to either physics or engineering?

But that aside. Why does the professor ignore the potential of the vibrations of the collapse not to translate through the foundations well before (comparitively) the debris hitting the ground.
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Anectote time for me.

When I was 24 years old I was an electronic tech on a weather station on Ellesmere Island in the Canadian artic. When the seimology tech went on vacation I filled in for him, changing the phtographic paper on the rollers that recorded seismic activity. This was of course done in the dark and the paper rolls developed in a darkroom then sent to Ottawa by mail(its all done electronically and automatically now). On the second day, when I developed the rolls they were full of huge scrawls lasting several hours. Believing I might have broken the machinery the day before, I called Ottawa and asked about what I was seeing.
I was told that there was a hurricane striking Newfoundland and that what I was seeing was the seismic vibrations caused by the waves crashing on the granite shores (Newfoundland is affectionatly referred to by locals as "The Rock")

I was also shown the difference between a large open pit coal mine 'cap shot' and a nuclear test shot. The wavelength of the recordings of the nuke were much shorter than those of the conventional explosive. Both were smaller amplitude than the waves crashing but the pounding waves produced much longer wavelength recordings than either explosive.

The L-D seismic readings also recorded the aircraft impacts indicating that strong vibrations can indeed be transmitted via the structure to the ground and register on the equipment

I find it no suprise at all that the vibration produced by tons of falling building would be transmitted through the steel structure to the bedrock foundation.

This would occur not only faster than the rate of fall of debris in free fall outside the towers, it would also occur faster than the sound, through the air, of the collapse. (the speed of sound through steel being much faster than through air) Witnesses on the ground would feel the vibration before they heard the sound of the collapse 1000 feet up. These witnesses would include video cameras which could record a shaking before the sound through the air and most certainly before debris, falling outside the towers, hit the ground.

That this is not immediatly obvious to Jones is indicative of his failure as a scientist.

alienentity said:
That's weird: the seismic records show that the WTC7 collapse lasted about 18 seconds. Yet again there were no indications of explosives, either thru seismic records, video or audio records.

Truthers: Find us a precedent for a tall tower that has an overall collapse time, from the start of the actual collapse, 300% slower than freefall would have produced, and with no sounds of detonation or shockwaves, even from 2 blocks away.

We'll be eagerly waiting for your results....
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I have brought up the WTC 7 seismic record many times with members of the TM. Supposedly WTC 7 fell in much less than 18 seconds according to them yet they also use the seismic record of the towers collapses to tell us what their collapse time was. Apparently, according to the TM, L-D seismic readings for the towers was much more accurate then, than it was several hours later when WTC 7 fell.
 
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MG1962 said:
Thank you for saying that better than I. And the tone of the paper is very dismissive. Rather than look at explanations for the seeming disparity of time in the signals, he assumes the data has been manipulated.
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That's the sum of the truther mindset. If they see something that they doesn't immediately make sense to them: inside job.
 
JihadJane said:
Thanks for the link, 9/11-investigator.

And after the first rent-a-comment who could muster the will to read any more?

Who was it that said JREF was turning into a truther site?
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Ah, ain't that cute? Jane is making nice with a Neo Nazi.
 
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