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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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Skeptic said:
Yeah, well, maybe Hitler shouldn't have invaded Poland without any provocation... which got him in war with England.

And maybe Hitler shouldn't have invaded the USSR... which got him in war with Stalin.

And maybe Hitler shouldn't have declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, a real dumb-@$$ move... which got him in war with the USA.

Perhaps all of that had SOMETHING to do with why Hitler found himself at war with England, the USSR, and the USA.

I'm just sayin'.
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This is all true. But that doesn't mean that US and Russia can fake history at Nuremberg just because it suits them.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Em, Vietnam, the US was invited in by diem. Korea was on a UN resolution. Iraq was enforcing 17 various resolutions.
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Invitations to slaughter parties can be turned down of course.

No, Stalin's policy was Socialism in One Country, which was an attempt to consolidate socialism in Russia.
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Only after WW2. Until WW2 world revolution was the ultimate goal.
 
9/11-investigator said:
This is all true. But that doesn't mean that US and Russia can fake history at Nuremberg just because it suits them.
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No evidence was faked. Hav e you seen the mountains of evidence that was compiled? It was tens of thousands of notes for the prosecution.

They had to stockpile it in a room.

The Nazis were condemned because they were caught red-handed performing their massacres.
 
9/11-investigator said:
It was a ludicrous idea. There is no justification for country A to stampede into country B. That applies to Germany regarding Russia and the US regarding Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and the list goes on.

Although there is a difference: the Soviets had their explicit goal of world revolution. The only justification I can think of is if the Icebreaker theory proposed by the Russian writer Suvorov contains truth. In that case Hitler was forced to attack. I cannot judge that.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
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It was ludicrous but Hitler was a man with a gleam of mission in his eye. He did the ludicrous as his party piece.

WW2 started because Hitler couldn't keep his jackboots on his own soil. He split Poland with Stalin as I recall.

Reading some of the stuff above one gets the impression that 39 to 45 was actually one long holiday camp and sadly a few of the party goers died from a bad case of the sniffles and too much food and wine.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Invitations to slaughter parties can be turned down of course.



Only after WW2. Until WW2 world revolution was the ultimate goal.
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Em, Diem requested protection from the North, who were running a terrorist campaign in the south through the vietcong. JFK and Eisenhower obliged. It was intended for protection. However it had unintended consequences as the bloodbath it was. They did not declare that all vietnamese must die.

As for "socialism in one country" iw as a policy by Stalin during the Struggle for succession. After World War 2, Russia formed the comintern with Eastern Europe, mongolia and China as well as other communist countries.
 
dtugg said:
But they didn't. Evil Holocaust deniers are the ones setting out to fake history.
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I was already afraid that nobody would bite. But I can always rely on dtugg.

Here is David Irving's book about the Tribunal:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Nuremberg/NUREMBERG.pdf

And since you probably have no time to read it here is a review:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n1p38_Michaels.html

Just in case you do have time read chapter V: "The Origin of the Six Million"

Here is a very telling declaration from a son of an American prosecutor T.J.Dodd in Neurenberg, done in all naivite:

“Consider these Sept. 25, 1945, observations from Tom Dodd, who would emerge as second in command on the American prosecution team:
“You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge — you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial — for their own sake. For — mark this well — the charge ‘a war for the Jews’ is still being made and in the post-war years it will be made again and again. The too large percentage of Jewish men and women here will be cited as proof of this charge. Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things.”"

http://www.projo.com/news/mcharlesbakst/SE_BAKST_COLUMN_30_09-30-07_CR78R0C.1efbfe6.html#

You are reading this well: from unsuspected source we learn that 75% of the staff of Nuremberg were Jews (Irving says the same). The entire tribunal of Nuremberg was from A to Z a Jewish show trial, meant to punish the only country that had succeeded to escape from the Jewish grip. Russia would follow gradually on that path after the war causing Russian Jews to migrate to the US in ever greater numbers. And now it is the US who is aiming for 'world revolution'. No longer on the basis of the ideology of Marx but of Leo Strauss, the godfather of neoconservatism. But the aim is the same: bring the world under control and it doesn't matter with what ideology in the mean time threatening the world with the specter of another world war.

Poor America, another country destined to land on the junkyard of history because of it, just like the Soviet-Union. Hopefully it will not draw the rest of the world with it.
 
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I'm imagining the disappointment of Dutch villains who were born one or two generations too late to be able to hunt Jews for money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henneicke_Column

I can imagine that they would express their impotent rage by blaming Jews for significant evil in world events - acts of terror, for example. Or, perhaps these despicable scumbags would attempt to divert attention to the Soviets, who, of course, as the liberators of so many Jews, must be reviled.

Then, I smile and am thankful that my country liberated the Netherlands from the Nazis, thus leaving these types of Nazi-loving villains to flail futilely on the Internet where they can do little harm. And when the Canadian Tulip Festival comes around each Spring, I think of all the good people in the Netherlands and the goodwill between our two countries that has existed since the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tulip_Festival#History

And I am re-assured that, although they are vocal, Dutch Nazis are just as reviled in their own country as they are everywhere else in the civilized world.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
No evidence was faked. Hav e you seen the mountains of evidence that was compiled? It was tens of thousands of notes for the prosecution.

They had to stockpile it in a room.

The Nazis were condemned because they were caught red-handed performing their massacres.
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We are discussing here the holocaust, the alleged extermination program as carried out (or not) in the camps.

I'll give you the massacres on the Eastern Front for free.

And some 200-300,000 deads in the camps as administered by the Germans themselves. The rest you have to prove.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
This is all true. But that doesn't mean that US and Russia can fake history at Nuremberg just because it suits them.
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If it's such a fake, why did nobody in my father's neighborhood have any older siblings, aunts, grandparents, or uncles? Why were practically ALL the families in the neighborhood, those of Jews who were in Europe during the war, SECOND families -- made up of one man and one woman who met after the war, and children born after the war?

Why were practically all of the Jewish immigrants from Europe to Israel, and elsewhere for that matter, single men and women -- only rarely brothers and sisters or married couples, even more rarely couples with children, practically never extended whole families? What HAPPENED to all those people?

You don't seem to have answered this question.

My grandparents, which had nothing at all to do with the Nuremberg trials, needless to say, told my father they Nazis killed most of the family, which was the reason things are like that. So did other people in the neighborhood tell their own children. Did my grandparents lie to him? Did everybody else in the neighborhood lie to their own children?

Oh, and something else: after her death, my father found my grandmother's diary. She never told him about it. It describes what happened -- how they were put in the ghettos, how her family was killed, how they escaped from this "action" (round-up for slaughter at the death camps) and from that raid, etc.

I suppose everything in that diary is a lie, written 50 years in advance and hidden, with the goal of convincing people after death that it really happened?

You don't seem to have answered these questions, either.
 
9/11-investigator said:
We are discussing here the holocaust, the alleged extermination program as carried out (or not) in the camps.

I'll give you the massacres on the Eastern Front for free.

And some 200-300,000 deads in the camps as administered by the Germans themselves. The rest you have to prove.
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Zyklon B being used in the gas chambers. Nazi documentation proves it. Why did they try to cover up the evidence if they did not attempt exterminate the Jews? why were the crematoria blown up?

Punch cards and tatooed numbers show the industrial effort being taken to exterminate them.

Testimony of the millions of survivors, SS officers, liberators, General Eisenhower, Wannsee conference moments as well as Nazi archives.
 
Skeptic said:
If it's such a fake, why did nobody in my father's neighborhood have any older siblings, aunts, grandparents, or uncles? Why were practically ALL the families in the neighborhood, those of Jews who were in Europe during the war, SECOND families -- made up of one man and one woman who met after the war, and children born after the war?

Why were practically all of the Jewish immigrants from Europe to Israel, and elsewhere for that matter, single men and women -- only rarely brothers and sisters or married couples, even more rarely couples with children, practically never extended whole families? What HAPPENED to all those people?

You don't seem to have answered this question.

My grandparents, which had nothing at all to do with the Nuremberg trials, needless to say, told my father they Nazis killed most of the family, which was the reason things are like that. So did other people in the neighborhood tell their own children. Did my grandparents lie to him? Did everybody else in the neighborhood lie to their own children?

Oh, and something else: after her death, my father found my grandmother's diary. She never told him about it. It describes what happened -- how they were put in the ghettos, how her family was killed, how they escaped from this "action" (round-up for slaughter at the death camps) and from that raid, etc.

I suppose everything in that diary is a lie, written 50 years in advance and hidden, with the goal of convincing people after death that it really happened?

You don't seem to have answered these questions, either.
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You keep pushing me for an answer on a question I know nothing about. I don't see why you need 6 million victims to explain that situation and why 1 million won't do.
 
9/11-investigator said:
And this is exactly what this english bishop Williamson was talking about: some 200.000 people killed in all German concentration camps, probably some half of them Jews.
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I have seen no reliable documentation that your figures are correct.

And that's a lot of people. But most people (according to the revisionists) died because of typhus.
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Well, there is still the problem that they died of typhus because they were involunmtarily confined in unsanitary conditions and mistreated in ways that reduced their resistance to disease, so even the typhus deaths can be called murder, just as surely as if you threw someone out in sub-freezing weather with no way to find shelter.
 
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leftysergeant said:
I have seen no reliable documentation that your figures are correct.



Well, there is still the problem that they died of typhus because they were involunmtarily confined in unsanitary conditions and mistreated in ways that reduced their resistance to disease, so even the typhus deaths can be called murder, just as surely as if you threw someone out in sub-freezing weather with no way to find shelter.
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Amen leftysergant. I could not have said it better myself.

As well as that, the Nazis also worked people to death and gave them meagre rations, which were intended to starve millions to death. The survivors were emaciated at the time of liberation.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
The entire tribunal of Nuremberg was from A to Z a Jewish show trial, meant to punish the only country that had succeeded to escape from the Jewish grip.
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So what was the other 6 - 7 million non Jewish victims of organised extermination...calateral damage :eye-poppi
 
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