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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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9/11-investigator said:
I have no idea. America? Australia? Died in a camp from typhus?
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They died in a camp. The Nazis intended for the Jews to DIE in the camps, hence typhus victims are considered holocaust victims. They were worked to death, starved to death, frozen to death, gassed and beaten to death.

Australia has a jewish population of 115k~120k

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/australia.html

America has 6,452,030, however, there was a significant jewish community before the war.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html
 
9/11-investigator said:
Yeah, yeah. I was referring to the alleged shooting of 29-30 September because of its occurence 4 months before Wannsee.
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Babi Yar was in the middle of Nazi occupied Ukraine. almost 34000 Jews massacred in 2 days. Forensic evidence proves it.

In that massacre alone, i was referring to the total dead.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005421

Holocaust deniers are like 9/11 truthers. They begin by "simply asking questions". They then develop their own theory portraying the opposite side or any evidence to the contrary of their theory as though it was all created by a vast conspiracy. They move the goalposts when irrefutable evidence is presented to them. They also present ridiculous theories as to the fate of the victims. They also ignore any damning evidence and focus only on one sole quote like Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights. Finally, they insult the victims of these horrible events.
 
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Look at the little gem I found here:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/25/world/ukraine-grave-found-to-hold-stalin-victims.html

From the NY-times no less! Not sure if this is about Babi Yar, probably not.


Ukraine Grave Found To Hold Stalin Victims
AP
Published: Saturday, March 25, 1989

A Government commission has concluded that thousands of people buried in a mass grave outside Kiev were killed during Stalin's repressions, not by Nazi soldiers, the official press agency Tass reported today.

The commission's conclusion supports the testimony of elderly witnesses in the nearby village of Bykovnia, who said they saw trucks dripping blood en route to the site in the 1930's, before the Nazis occupied the area.

Unofficial estimates put the number of bodies in the grave at 200,000 to 300,000.

Villagers in Bykovnia broke five decades of silence to accuse Stalin's secret police after the Ukrainian government erected a monument in May 1988 blaming Nazi occupiers for the crime. The villagers in December forced Ukrainian authorities to establish the commission, saying three previous investigations had covered up the truth by blaming Nazi troops.

Today's report by the press agency did not mention the earlier investigations.

This was a standard pattern under communism: blame your own crimes on the Germans. What a wonderful ally have you picked. Aren't you ashamed of yourselves?
 
9/11-investigator said:
Look at the little gem I found here:

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/25/world/ukraine-grave-found-to-hold-stalin-victims.html

From the NY-times no less! Not sure if this is about Babi Yar, probably not.


Ukraine Grave Found To Hold Stalin Victims
AP
Published: Saturday, March 25, 1989

A Government commission has concluded that thousands of people buried in a mass grave outside Kiev were killed during Stalin's repressions, not by Nazi soldiers, the official press agency Tass reported today.

The commission's conclusion supports the testimony of elderly witnesses in the nearby village of Bykovnia, who said they saw trucks dripping blood en route to the site in the 1930's, before the Nazis occupied the area.

Unofficial estimates put the number of bodies in the grave at 200,000 to 300,000.

Villagers in Bykovnia broke five decades of silence to accuse Stalin's secret police after the Ukrainian government erected a monument in May 1988 blaming Nazi occupiers for the crime. The villagers in December forced Ukrainian authorities to establish the commission, saying three previous investigations had covered up the truth by blaming Nazi troops.

Today's report by the press agency did not mention the earlier investigations.

This was a standard pattern under communism: blame your own crimes on the Germans. What a wonderful ally have you picked. Aren't you ashamed of yourselves?
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No, that was in the 1930s, somewhere different from babi Yar! Shame on you for trying to plant red herrings.

Last i checked, the Germans weren't blamed for the forced famines in china.

They were killed in the 1930s. BEFORE Operation Barbarossa and World War 2.

They were not killed in the same place as Babi Yar Ravine.
 
Listen, 9/11-investigator: What about eyewitness accounts such as those of my German Grandparents. Do you honestly think those Non-Jewish accounts are somehow part of a major conspiracy - or that I'm telling BS?
 
Simon39759 said:
Oh, I... Wait! WHAT?

Do we have to choose between Hitler and Stalin?
Can't we be equally disgusted by both?
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Uhh, no. You picked Stalin as your ally and thanks to your efforts gave half Europe away to this monster. And then together with him you organized a show trial in Nuremberg just to make you and your new found buddy look good. What the heck, as long as we can destroy Europe and take their place on the world stage who cares!

That's what happened and now it's all coming out.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
No, that was in the 1930s, somewhere different from babi Yar! Shame on you for trying to plant red herrings.
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I say so much myself that they are *probably* not the same.

The issue here is that there is a pattern of blaming Soviet crimes to the Germans, that's the point. It's the winner who writes history.

No longer.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Uhh, no. You picked Stalin as your ally and thanks to your efforts gave half Europe away to this monster. And then together with him you organized a show trial in Nuremberg just to make you and your new found buddy look good. What the heck, as long as we can destroy Europe and take their place on the world stage who cares!

That's what happened and now it's all coming out.
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Maybe you should be asking yourself why your Führer decided that it would be a good to invade the Soviet Union.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I say myself so much myself that they are *probably* not the same.

The issue here is that there is a pattern of blaming Soviet crimes to the Germans, that's the point.
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Just because the russians false flagged on Katyn does not mean that babi yar was done by the Russians. The Germans acknowledge itself in declassified documents. Reinhard heydrich said "we must exterminate the jews wherever we find them". The einsatzgruppe was formed under Aktion Reinhard. Hitler even said before the war that the Jews in Europe would be wiped out.

The holocaust left a massive paper trail (no, a paper motorway pointing in ONE direction) that led to the Third Reich. The Wannsee conference, the Nuremberg laws, Kristallnacht, the ghettos, the einsatzgruppen. They were all connected by the VAST bureaucracy of the Reich. It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to cover up or deny such atrocities in the face of overwhelming evidence.
 
You picked Stalin as your ally and thanks to your efforts gave half Europe away to this monster.
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Yeah, well, maybe Hitler shouldn't have invaded Poland without any provocation... which got him in war with England.

And maybe Hitler shouldn't have invaded the USSR... which got him in war with Stalin.

And maybe Hitler shouldn't have declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, a real dumb-@$$ move... which got him in war with the USA.

Perhaps all of that had SOMETHING to do with why Hitler found himself at war with England, the USSR, and the USA, ending up with the USSR gobbling up half of Europe.

Hitler's idiotic policies were the best thing that ever happened to Stalin's imperialistic plans.

I'm just sayin'.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Wieso solle mich Meinungen interessieren von kleine Leute aus dritter Hand?
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Because they aren't related to any Jews despite what they saw happened to those during the time when the Nazi's invaded the Ukraine.

And I don't mean to imply that my Families rememberances of the time are important at all. But those eyewitness accounts usually are more detailed than a general summing of events you will find in History Books. Not to mention that you could look up the historical backgrounds of the events those individual accounts are referring to - if you're actually willing to look into those.

As I said before, judging from my Grandparents account, most Jews around Odessa were killed on the spot. There is no way to proof the exact numbers - or how many got deported into KZ's, so either you accept the estimates or you continue to be ignorant due to the lack of complete documentation about every single of those X million deaths.
 
dtugg said:
Maybe you should be asking yourself why your Führer decided that it would be a good to invade the Soviet Union.
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It was a ludicrous idea. There is no justification for country A to stampede into country B. That applies to Germany regarding Russia and the US regarding Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and the list goes on.

Although there is a difference: the Soviets had their explicit goal of world revolution. The only justification I can think of is if the Icebreaker theory proposed by the Russian writer Suvorov contains truth. In that case Hitler was forced to attack. I cannot judge that.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
 
9/11-investigator said:
It was a ludicrous idea. There is no justification for country A to stampede into country B. That applies to Germany regarding Russia and the US regarding Vietnam, Korea, Iraq and the list goes on.

Although there is a difference: the Soviets had their explicit goal of world revolution. The only justification I can think of is if the Icebreaker theory proposed by the Russian writer Suvorov contains truth. In that case Hitler was forced to attack. I cannot judge that.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
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Em, Vietnam, the US was invited in by diem. Korea was on a UN resolution. Iraq was enforcing 17 various resolutions.

No, Stalin's policy was Socialism in One Country, which was an attempt to consolidate socialism in Russia.
 
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