9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

You lose your last trace of credibility bringing up Leuchter.

Leuchter cut large chunks of rock out of the wall, and then sent this on to be tested for cyanide on the walls. The only problem was that the chemist he gave these chunks to was asked to look for cyanide within the rocks. Thus, the chemist broke them down. Cyanide does not penetrate rock, it barely penetrates further than to a hair's width.

The chemist himself said the test done was not the correct one to have been done.

Another statement without a link to back up the claims. Sucked it out of your thumb?

Unfortunately for you these experiments were repeated by an accomplished chemist Germar Rudolf with the same results. Rudolf was released earlier this week from prison after a three year sentence for 'holocaust denial'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germar_Rudolf

After finishing secondary education in 1983 in Remscheid, Rudolf studied chemistry in Bonn, completing his studies in 1989. As a student, he joined A.V. Tuisconia Königsberg zu Bonn and K.D.St. V. Nordgau Prag zu Stuttgart. Both are Catholic fraternities belonging to the Cartellverband der katholischen deutschen Studentenverbindungen. He was a temporary supporter of the CSU/CDU, but parted ways and became a temporary member of Die Republikaner (REP) due to their more restrictive immigration policy.

Finishing Ph.D. postgraduate studies after his military service, he was temporarily employed at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in Stuttgart, beginning in October 1990. During this time he wrote a paper, titled "Report on the formation and verifiability of cyanide compounds in the Auschwitz gas chambers" on behalf of the Düsseldorf attorney Hajo Herrmann, a former Luftwaffe pilot holding the rank of Oberst. In 1993, Rudolf was expelled from the Max Planck Institute for his unauthorised use of the institute's name to get samples analysed that were taken from the gas chamber sites at Auschwitz and Birkenau.

Here is his 'Lectures on the Holocaust', one of the best books about holocaust revisionism.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/loth/

 

[Simon39759]

AFAIK (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Dutch authorities eagerly **************** during the German occupation and efficiently assisted in the extermination of Dutch (and German) jews.
Maybe if it wasn't all that bad Dutch collaboration wasn't all that bad either

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Some of them were (you can find ass-wipes everywhere).
But the royal family flew to England where they represented the Dutch government in exile (a bit like Charles De Gaulle, with more legitimacy).

Netherlands had quite a heroic history of resistance and many Dutch soldiers managed to get to England and served among the allied forces.

 

[GreNME]

If you replace Cole and Smith with Donahue and Shermer in your assessment, I would agree 100%.

Shermer was the one trying to divert the conversations and Donahue was just interjecting hyperbole.

Can you demonstrate what they said about the crematoriums to be false then?

Shermer was pointing out the mistakes the Smith and Cole kept making in their arguments. Smith at least kept his composure when Shermer spoke, Cole did no such thing. Smith's fault was that he kept playing the "what about everyone else who died?" game, even after it was pointed out to him from someone who had just been to the Holocaust Museum that right inside of the museum it makes it a point to mention the millions of others who were slaughtered.

Now, which part do you wish demonstrated about the crematoriums? Which person's claims? I mentioned the voice-over guy, but that's because I didn't notice much from the other guys about it except the exchange with Smith, Shermer, and the woman in the audience.

 

[oldhat]

Another statement without a link to back up the claims. Sucked it out of your thumb?

It's from the Errol Morris film, which you refuse to see because it makes your hero Fred Leutcher look like a monster with rotting teeth and a scrambled brain. There are actual scientists and real historians in this film who know what they are talking about, not just those who pretend to be on the internet, like you.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Another statement without a link to back up the claims. Sucked it out of your thumb?

As I'm a nice guy, here is the link (The entire documentary is a remarkable piece of work. Strongly recommend you watch it):

Fast forward to 1:04 to hear the Chemist -James Roth- who did the experiment talking about the poor science behind Leuchter's conclusions:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...WvtgSu-vFsaA-Aao07Eb&q=mr+death+rise+and+fall

Unfortunately for you these experiments were repeated by an accomplished chemist Germar Rudolf with the same results. Rudolf was released earlier this week from prison after a three year sentence for 'holocaust denial'.

If he repeated the experiment, then it was the wrong experiment to do.

 

[Gaspode]

Some posts moved to AAH.

Keep it civil please.

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[oldhat]

the Chemist -James Roth

Hmmm..."Roth" sounds like a Jewish name, therefore I don't believe him.

/911investigator

 

[FineWine]

Of course I have seen that.

Summary: according to the wisdom arrived at at Nuremberg the evil Nazi's had killed hundreds of thousands of Jews and then buried them. On second thought they buried them up again and burned the corpses just to leave no traces.

A couple of years ago an Australian team went to these camp sites and used ground penetrating radar to investigate the top layer of the soil.

Result: the earth had been unmoved since the last ice age.

We can calmly tick off 1/3 of the holocaust.

Rubbish. Nobody buries ashes, liar.

Why did Eichmann "forget" to mention that the crimes he was busy explaining away didn't happen in the first place?

 

[Simon39759]

From Wikipedia:

He received a Bachelor's of Arts degree in history from Boston University in 1964.
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Leuchter has said he is not an engineer and misled people about his expertise.
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On October 13, 1990 New York Times described him as "self-proclaimed execution expert and manufacturer of death machinery" who "was charged today in a Middlesex County District Court with fraudulently practicing engineering."
It quoted Dr. Edward A. Brunner, chairman of the anesthesia department at Northwestern University Medical School, as saying Leuchter's lethal injection system would indeed paralyze a condemned criminal, but far from being humane this paralysis would merely stop the prisoner from screaming at the "extreme pain in the form of a severe burning sensation" caused by the potassium chloride injection. (Potassium chloride is commonly used in judicial execution through lethal injection.) A subsequent article in the June 13, 1991 New York Times details his agreement with prosecutors to "serve two years' probation for practicing engineering without a license."
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In 1990 Newsweek reported Alabama Assistant Attorney General Ed Carnes calling Leuchter's views on the gas chamber "unorthodox" and alleging that "Leuchter was running a death row shakedown scheme: if a state didn't purchase Leuchter's services, he would testify at the last minute for the condemned man that the state's death chamber might malfunction."
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In his memorandum to death penalty states, Carnes observed that in Florida and Virginia the federal courts had rejected Leuchter's testimony as unreliable. The court in Florida had found that Leuchter had 'misquoted the statements' contained in an important affidavit and had 'inaccurately surmised' a crucial premise of his conclusion.
In Virginia, Leuchter provided a death-row inmate's attorney with an affidavit claiming the electric chair would fail.The Virginia court decided the credibility of Leuchter's affidavit was limited because Leuchter was "the refused contractor who bid to replace the electrodes in the Virginia chair."

So... he was officially decided, on multiple occasion, to have no credibility.
It is also interesting to note that his study was a) far from objective and neutral as he had been hired by the defence in the trial of the denialist Ernst Zündel.
b) took place 50 years after the fact
c) took place at least partially on buildings that had been destroyed by the German and reconstructed after the war.
d) was fatally flawed in design (very thick samples)
e) still managed to detect residual cyanide levels on several samples.

And that's just the beginning. The whole idea that lower levels of cyanide would indicate de-lousing is ludicrous, as insects are more resistant to cyanide than human.


In fact when performed by people that actually know what they are doing, the results are radically different.

But I guess, these people are also part of the Zionist conspiracy...

 

[dtugg]

No I don't. I like Parky (he doesn't like me though). Although I do admit I'm not too fond on dtugg, dudalb and FineWine.

But why should I not take serious the number one expert on gas chambers, Fred Leuchter? Because he came up with findings you don't like? That's not enough reason.

But oldhat has a point. Poor dtugg played wonderful into my hands offering space for my views. He is rather silent lately. The same dtugg who opened this thread saying ' This should be good.'.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146233&page=7

Still waiting for your irrefutable proof, dtugg. It's probably going to be a long wait. In the mean time I'm more than happy to provide some interesting information for the whole world to see.

I started this thread, nazi, so you could expose yourself as the evil Holocaust denying bigot that you are. You've done just that so thank you very much. As I already told you, I have no interest in teaching you basic history although others have and surprise, surprise, you just ignore them. Nobody will be conned by your evil lies, nazi, so keep exposing yourself.

 

[ktesibios]

Anyone interested in the technical aspects of why Leuchter's claims cannot be taken seriously and in what investigators who actually knew what they were doing found at Auschwitz might wqnt to read this, this and this.

Why are you even arguing with him? He hates Jews, that's that. There's nothing you can say that will convince him. He takes the Institute for Historical Review and Fred Leucher seriously, for God's sake.

Indeed, I doubt that evidence and logic are the optimal tools for arguing with verminous Nazi scumbags. I suspect a more effective and appropriate way to introduce them to reality is what my late uncle Tony used:

 

[9/11-investigator]

So Eichmann speaking of "Jewish extermination" isn't some sort of admission? How about the Aushwitz SS guard who admits to being there and participating in gassing's and burials? He in on it, too?

Eichmann was a bureaucrat. He never killed anybody. The only thing he did was organizing the deportations of the Jews to the East. Just like present day logistics managers organize the transport of containers.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p237_Okeefe.html

he persistently rejects the accusation that he was the organizer of the "Final Solution" or the "flywheel of the extermination machine."

And what SS guard are you talking about? Just give me the name and I'll debunk it for you for free.

I like being a debunker for a change.

 

[HereticHulk]

Shermer was pointing out the mistakes the Smith and Cole kept making in their arguments. Smith at least kept his composure when Shermer spoke, Cole did no such thing. Smith's fault was that he kept playing the "what about everyone else who died?" game, even after it was pointed out to him from someone who had just been to the Holocaust Museum that right inside of the museum it makes it a point to mention the millions of others who were slaughtered.

Now, which part do you wish demonstrated about the crematoriums? Which person's claims? I mentioned the voice-over guy, but that's because I didn't notice much from the other guys about it except the exchange with Smith, Shermer, and the woman in the audience.

Well, you can start with what Cole was saying; then the voice-over guy.

You did notice how Shermer refused to correct the lady in the audience about the human soap myth?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Anyone interested in the technical aspects of why Leuchter's claims cannot be taken seriously and in what investigators who actually knew what they were doing found at Auschwitz might wqnt to read this, this and this.

OK. Forget about Leuchter. Why not concentrate on Germar Rudolf. He has a cum laude phd. He worked for the world renowned Max Planck Institute. He is a chemist.

 

[dudalb]

Anyone interested in the technical aspects of why Leuchter's claims cannot be taken seriously and in what investigators who actually knew what they were doing found at Auschwitz might wqnt to read this, this and this.



Indeed, I doubt that evidence and logic are the optimal tools for arguing with verminous Nazi scumbags. I suspect a more effective and appropriate way to introduce them to reality is what my late uncle Tony used:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/3784a60feef81745.jpg[/qimg]

My Grandfather,in North Africa and France with the US Army in WW2, found this very effective in showing the Nazis the error of their ways:



The M1 Garand. Best standard issue infantry rifle of World War 2,thought the Lee Enfield was not
bad either....

Attention all passengers...this train will not be stopping at Derail-ville. Mr. Conductor thanks you for your cooperation.

In other words, please stay on topic....

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[dudalb]

Well, you can start with what Cole was saying; then the voice-over guy.

You did notice how Shermer refused to correct the lady in the audience about the human soap myth?

When did you jump on the Holocaust Denial Train to Disaster,guy?

 

[9/11-investigator]

The Fuhrer was sweet! The Fuhrer was kind, mein herr!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGp0hCxSg98

You are the only one here with these kind of claims.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

OK. Forget about Leuchter.

Forget about 'America's No#1 Gas expert'? Why, anyone would think you didn't have an cohesive argument!

Why not concentrate on Germar Rudolf. He has a cum laude phd. He worked for the world renowned Max Planck Institute. He is a chemist.

Arguments from authority aside, if he carried out the same test as Leuchter (Which you said he did), then he drew poor, unscientific conclusions.

Did you watch what Roth said about the experiment?

 

[GreNME]

Well, you can start with what Cole was saying; then the voice-over guy.

You did notice how Shermer refused to correct the lady in the audience about the human soap myth?

No, don't play this game of moving around, HH. State precisely what you want shown to be demonstrably false. State it outright, no word-games. You know me, and you know how I roll as far as history goes. I'm not going to play a fishing game to get specifics out of you while you dance around. Say specifically what it was you want me to address.

 

[HereticHulk]

No, don't play this game of moving around, HH. State precisely what you want shown to be demonstrably false. State it outright, no word-games. You know me, and you know how I roll as far as history goes. I'm not going to play a fishing game to get specifics out of you while you dance around. Say specifically what it was you want me to address.

You made the claim, not me. How do I know what you think is demonstrably false!?