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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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The gas chambers. They really existed. Here is one:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapBook/DachauPhotos/OldPhotos/MajdanekStains.jpg

You can easily discern the stains of prussian blue (HCN or Zyklon-B) on the wall.

Holocaust proven? Not so fast.

These gas chambers were used to kill lice in the clothes of the camp inmates. Not only the Germans but also the Japanese and Americans used these kind of facilities. They were intended to save lives.

Comes Fred Leuchter. He was the number one American gas chamber expert. He had constructed gas chambers for the American government as a way to execute criminals. He was the one who travelled to auschwitz to take some samples from the walls that suposedly had been gas chamers to kill humans.

Result: no traces of cyanide whatsoever.

http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

It was the Leuchter report that changed the opinion of British world renowned WW2 historian David Irving about the holocaust. It cost him dearly. Recently he was sentenced for 3 years in a Austrian dungeon. He was released after less than a year. Here is one of the last true heroes of the West in an appearance for Norwegian television: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkizDpl7x_E
 
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Toke said:
I have walked through the "locker room", gas chamber, and crematorium in Dachau.
To 9/11-investigator the building must be a later construction or what?
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I was both in Dachau and Auschwitz.

But you must have been sleeping then during your visit of Dachau. Not even the Simon Wiesenthal center now claims that even one person was ever gassed in Dachau.

It was a bit unreal, I got a better understanding standing on the appelplads / roll call square, in a nice leather jacket with a sweater under, in january, and freezing my butt off, while the guide explained the roll call procedure* and described prisoners uniforms**.
*Lenghty
**Not leather jackets or sweaters
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You might as well have stayed away because you were misinformed.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p485_Cobden.html

Some 15.000 was the death talley of Dachau, caused my malnutricion and other consequences of the war. Not by gas or bullets or anything like it.

Heck, even nizkor admits that the Dachau gas chamber was a delousing chamber.

BTW: nizkor is a one-man operation by the retired marine Kenneth McVay, not some historic institute like the IHR with real historians on the payroll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_McVay
 
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Result: no traces of cyanide whatsoever.
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So it does not bother you that he arranged for the wrong test to be done by the Canadian chemist he sent the samples too.

Then again you are probably not aware of the correct test to use or what the results of those were

Oh still waiting for your reply about the 19000 pieces of evidence presented at Nuremberg or the 42 volumes of testimony
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Dachau were among other things the centre of the camp system, it was where guards were trained.
The gaschamber there were mostly for training purposes, live training.
 
So Eichmann speaking of "Jewish extermination" isn't some sort of admission? How about the Aushwitz SS guard who admits to being there and participating in gassing's and burials? He in on it, too?

Look, 9/11, we get it. You hate the Jews, believe that there is a vast Zionist conspiracy and NEED to forward the false notion that the Holocaust never happened to justify your own hatred. So, you know, just come off it and SAY it. Come on, you can do it. Say, "I hate those lying, filthy kikes and everything they stand for." No? You'll just keep peddling lies then, won't you?

Easier to invent (or buy into) some crackpot, unsupported conspiracy that would involve the clever fabrication of millions of pieces of carefully crafted evidence, paying off thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands; maybe even millions) of soldiers, officials, witnesses, etc. to further the conspiracy (never you mind that they'd have to keep the charade up until they die) and to make claims of Jewish NWO piffle than to just examine, objectively, the real evidence and come to the only logical conclusion.

Holocaust Deniers = Captains Crazy, Royal Order of Douchebags, First Class
 
Why are you even arguing with him? He hates Jews, that's that. There's nothing you can say that will convince him. He takes the Institute for Historical Review and Fred Leucher seriously, for God's sake.
 
My position on the bunnycaust is that I will believe that it happened if somebody can demonstrate it to me that it happened.
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Well, for starters, my father grew up in a neighborhood of post-war immigrants to Israel from Europe. As a kid, he one day realized that it is very weird how -- unlike the other neighborhood nearby -- virtually NONE of the kids in the neighborhood had any grandparents or aunts or uncles, or, most horrible of all, older siblings above a certain age.

Why were they, born in the late 40s or early 50s, always the oldest, often the only, children in their family? Kids in OTHER neighborhoods, that came from the levant, had older brothers and sisters! What's going on here? Where have all their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and grandparents gone?

Got an explanation, "9/11 investigator"?
 
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Toke said:
Dachau were among other things the centre of the camp system, it was where guards were trained.
The gaschamber there were mostly for training purposes, live training.
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OK, so you now backtrack on your Dachau/gas chamber myth and now you are trying to sell the idea that these delousing chambers were really 'training grounds' for these evil Nazi's.

Makes me wonder on what exactly they were training upon.

Lice? :D
 
oldhat said:
Why are you even arguing with him? He hates Jews, that's that. There's nothing you can say that will convince him. He takes the Institute for Historical Review and Fred Leucher seriously, for God's sake.
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No I don't. I like Parky (he doesn't like me though). Although I do admit I'm not too fond on dtugg, dudalb and FineWine.

But why should I not take serious the number one expert on gas chambers, Fred Leuchter? Because he came up with findings you don't like? That's not enough reason.

But oldhat has a point. Poor dtugg played wonderful into my hands offering space for my views. He is rather silent lately. The same dtugg who opened this thread saying ' This should be good.'.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146233&page=7

Still waiting for your irrefutable proof, dtugg. It's probably going to be a long wait. In the mean time I'm more than happy to provide some interesting information for the whole world to see.
 
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Skeptic said:
Well, for starters, my father grew up in a neighborhood of post-war immigrants to Israel from Europe. As a kid, he one day realized that it is very weird how -- unlike the other neighborhood nearby -- virtually NONE of the kids in the neighborhood had any grandparents or aunts or uncles, or, most horrible of all, older siblings above a certain age.
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So you are suggesting that the Nazi's killed all the people who could have been of use for labor (grandparent and parents) but they let the children live? That's very strange indeed. Because according to the official myth there was a Selektion an der Rampe where able bodied people were separated from the weak, old and children who supposedly were immediatly gassed because they were useless for the war effort.

Why were they, born in the late 40s or early 50s, always the oldest, often the only, children in their family? Kids in OTHER neighborhoods, that came from the levant, had older brothers and sisters! What's going on here? Where have all their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and grandparents gone?

Got an explanation, "9/11 investigator"?
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Yes. According to the revisionists 1 million Jews were killed. That's still a lot and enough to have an impact on situations as you describe. There were millions of German households without a father. All as a result of the war.
 
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GreNME said:
That Donahue video is horrible, HH. It's horrible because Cole was arguing like a twelve year old, interrupting when he disagreed but smiling smugly (or interrupting the conversation with glee) when he agreed. The guy doing the voice-overs made such ridiculous statements (the comments about crematoriums was the most ridiculous) that are easily and demonstrably false. Smith and Cole both engaged in almost complete diversionary arguments, away from the evidence (arguing from the gaps) instead of arguing actual evidence.

Really, dude, you need to re-think your application of critical thinking.
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If you replace Cole and Smith with Donahue and Shermer in your assessment, I would agree 100%.

Shermer was the one trying to divert the conversations and Donahue was just interjecting hyperbole.

Can you demonstrate what they said about the crematoriums to be false then?
 
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No I don't. I like Parky (he doesn't like me though).

But why should I not take serious the number one expert on gas chambers, Fred Leuchter? Because he came up with findings you don't like? That's not enough reason.
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LOL. Did you see the Errol Morris film about him or was Errol Morris just another dirty Jew out to smear him? Did you see the part with him using his uber-scientific methodology to get his "samples" from the gas chambers? It was a farce.

Fred Leuchter is a self-taught crackpot with no training, no education and no licensure. The reason why no one anywhere takes Holocaust denialism seriously is because the only "experts" your pathetic little band of pseudo-scientists and racists can muster are patently mentally unstable monsters like Fred Leuchter.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Comes Fred Leuchter. He was the number one American gas chamber expert. He had constructed gas chambers for the American government as a way to execute criminals. He was the one who travelled to auschwitz to take some samples from the walls that suposedly had been gas chamers to kill humans.

Result: no traces of cyanide whatsoever.

It was the Leuchter report that changed the opinion of British world renowned WW2 historian David Irving about the holocaust. It cost him dearly. Recently he was sentenced for 3 years in a Austrian dungeon. He was released after less than a year. Here is one of the last true heroes of the West in an apearance for Norwegian: televisionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkizDpl7x_E
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You lose your last trace of credibility bringing up Leuchter.

Leuchter cut large chunks of rock out of the wall, and then sent this on to be tested for cyanide on the walls. The only problem was that the chemist he gave these chunks to was asked to look for cyanide within the rocks. Thus, the chemist broke them down. Cyanide does not penetrate rock, it barely penetrates further than to a hair's width.

The chemist himself said the test done was not the correct one to have been done.
 
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Undesired Walrus said:
You lose your last trace of credibility bringing up Leuchter.
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Rest assured, 9/11-investigator promises he's the "world's #1 gas chamber expert," even though he invented an electric chair and has no training or education in engineering and had nothing to do with gas chambers during his career.
 
oldhat said:
LOL. Did you see the Errol Morris film about him or was Errol Morris just another dirty Jew out to smear him? Did you see the part with him using his uber-scientific methodology to get his "samples" from the gas chambers? It was a farce.
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No I'm sorry, I didn't see it. And yes he is Jewish, so I am not surprised he doesn't like Leuchter because he 'lost relatives in the holocaust' (communist 1/4 cousin in Lithuania?):

http://www.errolmorris.com/content/review/mrd_applebome.html

"I don't think this movie suggests in any way that Fred's ideas are sympathetic, because obviously I don't," said Mr. Morris, who is Jewish and who lost relatives in the Holocaust.

Fred Leuchter is a self-taught crackpot with no training, no education and no licensure. The reason why no one anywhere takes Holocaust denialism seriously is because the only "experts" your pathetic little band of pseudo-scientists and racists can muster are patently mentally unstable monsters like Fred Leuchter.
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Who cares? He nevertheless designed succesfully real gas chambers that were actually used.
 
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oldhat said:
Rest assured, 9/11-investigator promises he's the "world's #1 gas chamber expert," even though he invented an electric chair and has no training or education in engineering and had nothing to do with gas chambers during his career.
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Are you sure about his having nothing to do with gas chambers during his career?

http://www.codoh.com/author/portraits/port2leu.html

He specialized in the design and manufacture of execution equipment including electrocution systems, lethal injection equipment, gallows, and gas chamber hardware. The year 1988 would forever change the life of Fred Leuchter.

Here he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7Y7pAMtFk

I do admit he is a bit of a creep, but what do you expect from somebody who makes a career of executing people.

And who cares about his formal education?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter

Leuchter holds patents for a geodetic instrument and an electronic sextant.

It's obvious he is an accomplished technician.

But he: scratching cement from a supposedly human gas chamber and doing the same for a delousing chamber and then analyzing and comparing the result is not really rocket science. Not much can go wrong here.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Leuchter holds patents for a geodetic instrument and an electronic sextant.

It's obvious he is an accomplished technician.
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LOL, a nutter without a degree who is not a licensed engineer anywhere has a patent on an electronic sextant, which means he's the world's #1 gas chamber expert.

Team Holocaust Denialism is really breaking out the big guns, aren't they?
 
AFAIK (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Dutch authorities eagerly **************** during the German occupation and efficiently assisted in the extermination of Dutch (and German) jews.
Maybe if it wasn't all that bad Dutch collaboration wasn't all that bad either :D

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