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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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9/11-investigator said:
The usual smearmongering.
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It's not. It is a statement of fact.
I personally feel sickened and angered by your blaming of the victims.



Irrelevant. It's about the leadership, the people who killed the tsar, the ideologues. Read Churchill about it. Or this honest Jewish fellow Sever plocker.
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What? I thought that they were 'no longer victims but perpetrators'?

You mean... Perpetrators from 20 years away?



What genocide are you talking about? Dresden?
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The one where millions of Jews were present in Western Europe before the war and absent after.
How does Ukranian and Baltics account for them?
 
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Well, i am about to wade in here to say this:

watch The World At War, specifically Episode 20: Genocide. They use extensive documentary of the death camps as well as minutes of the Wansee Conference. It is absolutely irrefutable.

Then read about the Babi Yar Massacre, and the works of Father Desbois, who says that the holocaust death toll may rise (mass shootings account for ~1/4 of the holocaust's jewish death toll)

Then read the testimonies of holocaust survivors, American soldiers, SS Officers, minutes from the Nuremberg trials, the testimony of Rudolf Hoss as well as albert speer.

To top it off, read a bit of Sir Ian Kershaw, and watch The Nazis, a Warning From History, an excellent series of documentaries by Laurence Rees.

Go on the Nizkor website (an EXCELLENT website on the holocaust)

Read about Anne Frank.

Take a GCSE and an AS level in German History.

then say to me that the holocaust didn't happen.

You deny the holocaust so Nazism can be made palatable, like the denial of Forced Famines in China makes Maoism palatable. There is simply no way that the holocaust could have been faked.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
http://vho.org/dl/ENG/Hoax.pdf

Read and know.
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Ha ha - The guy is badly misguided - On page 24 he says that the only information we have about the Holocaust comes from the trials. Gee thats a suprise. Given one of the focuses of the trials was to see who was ultimately responsible for the Holocaust, it would make sense that it would be the focal point of all the evidence.

Oh by the way, I noticed you never responded to my question regarding the 19000 pieces of evidence presented and the 42 volumes of testimony that I linked too.
 
"9/11-investigator", you dropped this:

FineWine said:
I wonder why Eichmann, on trial for his life, never thought of pretending that the genocide never occurred. Why did he claim that he had just followed orders if he wasn't guilty of anything. Must have slipped his mind.
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9/11-investigator said:
Ah yes that not unsympathetic libertarian Shermer who was demolished to the core in this debate about the holocaust with Mark Weber of the IHR.

More interesting than that sceptic book you refer to and more on topic is this revisionist classic by the American Arthur Butz:

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/Hoax.pdf

Read and know.
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Well, it appears as though you've been caught lying again. Shermer was not demolished at all. He refuted the disingenuous tactics of Weber by appealing to reason and evidence, two subjects you know nothing about.
 
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But this is all diversions: where are the independent reports of autopsies of gassed people?
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Since there are no independet reports of autopsies of people who died in Soviet Gulags, I assume, nobody died there?

Sorry, just had to demonstrate how incredibly stupid his reasoning is.
 
armageddonman said:
Since there are no independet reports of autopsies of people who died in Soviet Gulags, I assume, nobody died there?

Sorry, just had to demonstrate how incredibly stupid his reasoning is.
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He's hoping that you won't remember that I caught him on this lie. Autopsies on cremated bodies are hard to perform.
 
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armageddonman said:
Since there are no independet reports of autopsies of people who died in Soviet Gulags, I assume, nobody died there?

Sorry, just had to demonstrate how incredibly stupid his reasoning is.
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Sad thing is some people are making that exact argument to try to whitewash Stalin's crimes. THere is a sort of Bizarro form of Holocaust Revisionism out there regrading the crimes of Stalin's Russia in particular and Soviet Russia in general. The only difference is they come from the other end of the crazy political spectrum.
 
armageddonman said:
Since there are no independet reports of autopsies of people who died in Soviet Gulags, I assume, nobody died there?
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Actually there is an interesting thought bubble - what was in it for Stalin to perpetuate the lie of the holocaust. He hated Churchill. His suspisions of the US were confirmed by the detonation of the A Bomb. The Nazis were destroyed. The Soviet Union owned half of Germany......So really what was there to be gained?
 
Last month I had a job interview with a multinational Siemens that will remain unnamed. Between notification of the interview and its actuality I hit Wikipedia, but tried to keep an open, it's been generations, mind (I need a job). However, when the interviewer cut me off because I did not have experience with the particular CCTV system they use (it's cameras, cables, and a distribution system--what's to know?) I, uncharacteristically, did not say, "Yeah, but none of my former employers had a factory IN Auchwitz that employed 100,000 people. Not all at the same time, since turnover was a b*tch."
 
armageddonman said:
Since there are no independet reports of autopsies of people who died in Soviet Gulags, I assume, nobody died there?

Sorry, just had to demonstrate how incredibly stupid his reasoning is.
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Not many independant autopsies from the dead of World war I on the civil war (to name just a few) so I guess neither of the conflict actually happened?




dropzone said:
Last month I had a job interview with a multinational Siemens that will remain unnamed. Between notification of the interview and its actuality I hit Wikipedia, but tried to keep an open, it's been generations, mind (I need a job). However, when the interviewer cut me off because I did not have experience with the particular CCTV system they use (it's cameras, cables, and a distribution system--what's to know?) I, uncharacteristically, did not say, "Yeah, but none of my former employers had a factory IN Auchwitz that employed 100,000 people. Not all at the same time, since turnover was a b*tch."
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I am not familiar with the subject but I believe a lot of the industries that collaborated to closely with the Nazis were nationalized after the war, as a form of punishment.
 
the funny thing about Holocaust deniers is that while they believe a mass genocide of the Jews didn't happen...they also believe such an event is justified and event warranted.
 
In all the trials of all the people involved in the complex processes that were the Holocaust, from the guys that drew up the lists of victims to be arrested and transported to the guys that cleaned out the crematoria for the next bunch, as noted, none of these persons said "It didn't occur." They just went to lengths to wash themselves of the importance of -their- involvement.
When a dyed-in-the-wool Denier comes by with its irrational mindset, it is basically a waste of time to attempt to change what little is left of its mind.
 
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