Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

[Bad_Doggie]

WHAT IS IT, EXACTLY, THAT PREVENTS THESE PEOPLE FROM SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS OF THE WTC?

Nothing except for the fact that they don’t believe that is was. There are, and have been, no end of opportunities for them to do so if they so wished.

You, of course, have to make this accusation to justify your belief.

Why do you assume that because they are not all crying out “Controlled Demolition” they are being coerced into silence?

As for criticisms of NIST there have also been many University of Edinburgh Dr. Usmani, Arup Dr. Barbara Lane, et al, Dr Greening to name a few. If they believed that the destruction was caused by Controlled Demolition they could have said so.

But, they don’t.

Woof!

 

[SteveAustin]

the fact that they didnt recognize it as a controlled demolition

Mmmmm so you are psychic now? If they have not come out and stated what they believe then why would you try and claim what they believe?

This is just more "debunker" dishonesty.

You see folks, "debunkers" and moreso disinfo agents are required to make it look like the Official Conspiracy Theory is solid with no holes and backed by every single thinking human on the planet. That's part of the psyop, that's how the psychology of it works. Always sound sure of yourself and always claim that everyone agrees with you and no one agrees with the loons (and you have to constantly use those terms like "looney" and "nuts"), and of course the sheep follow suit because they have heard the disinfo agent say they then repeat it as a mantra.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Oh and what became of Robert Woodward and Carl Bernstein?

Woof!

 

[dtugg]

Mmmmm so you are psychic now? If they have not come out and stated what they believe then why would you try and claim what they believe?

This is just more "debunker" dishonesty.

You see folks, "debunkers" and moreso disinfo agents are required to make it look like the Official Conspiracy Theory is solid with no holes and backed by every single thinking human on the planet. That's part of the psyop, that's how the psychology of it works. Always sound sure of yourself and always claim that everyone agrees with you and no one agrees with the loons (and you have to constantly use those terms like "looney" and "nuts"), and of course the sheep follow suit because they have heard the disinfo agent say they then repeat it as a mantra.

Perhaps you are the disinfo agent. You are doing a remarkable job of making twoofers look crazy.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

So human nature is to remain silent, and keep the job, in order feed the family? What does this make for Iranians who feel that their elections have been rigged? Or have been threatened with imprisonment, torture, execution & internet censorship?

 

[bill smith]

Mmmmm so you are psychic now? If they have not come out and stated what they believe then why would you try and claim what they believe?

This is just more "debunker" dishonesty.

You see folks, "debunkers" and moreso disinfo agents are required to make it look like the Official Conspiracy Theory is solid with no holes and backed by every single thinking human on the planet. That's part of the psyop, that's how the psychology of it works. Always sound sure of yourself and always claim that everyone agrees with you and no one agrees with the loons (and you have to constantly use those terms like "looney" and "nuts"), and of course the sheep follow suit because they have heard the disinfo agent say they then repeat it as a mantra.

Exactly that. The beauty is that after all these years it is so easy to recognise. It is now possible to identify many of the professional propaganda assets here on he jref. Not that I intend to do so by name of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro

 

[dtugg]

Perhaps you are the disinfo agent. You are doing a remarkable job of making twoofers look crazy.

Exactly that. The beauty is that after all these years it is so easy to recognise. It is now possible to identify many of the professional propaganda assets here on he jref. Not that I intend to do so by name of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk&feature=related video on cointelpro

Same to you bill.

 

[deep]

So human nature is to remain silent, and keep the job, in order feed the family? What does this make for Iranians who feel that their elections have been rigged? Or have been threatened with imprisonment, torture, execution & internet censorship?

If you look closely, you'll notice that there aren't any architects or engineers in that picture.

 

[newton3376]

Only a dishonest "debunker" would even attempt to use that as a justification.

Hehe, they are only "baby engineers", not real engineers like we are. Do people actually fall for this stuff?

You are obviously not an engineer....6 years of experience is barely scratching the surface for engineering...

Many of the tools and methods used in engineering are constantly evolving, so 6 years of experience is just getting over the "hump" of being a baby engineer.

In fact many companies still want to know your undergrad GPA if you have less than 5 years of experience....typically after 5 they don't bother asking and only look at experience

I've looked at resumes and have been involved in interviewing engineers for various projects......6 years is minimal experience especially considering the fact that those 6 years might have been spent doing different projects...so it might not even be focused experience.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I'm not sure how you propagandize facts which aren't based on a political opinion. When professionals in a given field (ae911truth) get simple things wrong, it's rather frightening.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Mmmmm so you are psychic now? If they have not come out and stated what they believe then why would you try and claim what they believe?.

My question to you is are you?

Many have stated what they believe. University of Edinburgh Dr. Usmani, Arup Dr. Barbara Lane, et al, Dr Greening Bazant etc, etc.

Why do you assume that the rest are too scared to voice their opinions?

Woof!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Sometimes the titles can give an strong indication as this small selection shows.

World Trade Center building disaster: Stimulus for innovations

If the destruction of the WTC had been deliberately carried out using demolition explosives, there would be no stimulus for innovations.

Building code changes reflect world trade center investigation

And the ultimate proof of acceptance by the engineering community: the building codes have been changed to reflect an investigation that concluded that impact and fire damage caused the collapse.

Dave

 

[BigAl]

Let's face it- when the debunkers say that most of the world's scientists stand behind the NIST reports that is a very dishonest way of lookng at it.

The following people and organizations have endorsed the basic story of 9/11. In total, they represent about 70,000 people. All of them were first-hand participants in some aspect of the events of 9/11.

Alan Rosa, P.E., S.E.
Alfred D. Barcenilla, Sr., P.E.
Allan Jowsey, Ph.D.
Allyn Kilsheimer, P.E., S.E.
Amit Bandyopadhyay, S.E.
Amy Zelson Mundorff
Anamaria Bonilla, S.E.
Andre Sidler, P.E., S.E.
Andrei Reinhorn, Ph.D., P.E., S.E.
Andrew Coats, P.E., S.E.
Andrew McConnell, S.E.
Andrew Mueller-Lust, S.E.
Andrew Pontecorvo, P.E.
Andrew Whittaker, Ph.D., P.E., S.E.
Anthony Kirk US&R Structural Specialist
Anthony W. Chuliver, S.E.

Antoine E. Naaman, Ph.D.
Antranig M. Ouzoonian, P.E.
Arlan Dobson, FEMA
Arthur Schuerman, FDNY (ret.)
Asif Usmani, Ph.D., B.E.
August Domel, Ph.D., S.E., P.E.
Ayhan Irfanoglu, P.E., S.E.
Barbara Lane, Ph.D.
Bernie Denke, P.E. US&R Structural Specialist
Bill Cote
Bill Coulbourne, P.E., S.E.
Bill Crowley, special agent, FBI
Bill Daly, senior vice president, Control Risks Group
Bill Scott (Capt. USAF, Ret.),
Bill Uher, NASA Langley Research Center
Bob Gray (I.U.O.E.)
Bonnie Manley, P.E., S.E.
Boris Hayda, P.E., S.E.
Brian Lyons, Tully
Brian McElhatten, S.E.

Brian Smith (Col.), Chief Deputy Medical Examiner, Dover AFB
Brian Tokarczik, P.E., S.E.
Charles Hirsch, M.D.
Charles J. Carter, P.E., S.E.
Charles Thornton, P.E.
Charlie Vitchers
Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D., Purdue University
Christopher E. Marrion, P.E.
Christopher M. Hewitt, AISC

Christopher N. McCowan
Chuck Guardia, S.E.
Conrad Paulson, P.E., S.E.

Curtis S.D. Massey
D. Stanton Korista, P.E., S.E.
Dan Doyle (IW 40)
Dan Eschenasy, P.E., S.E.
Dan Koch Jr.
Daniel A. Cuoco, P.E
Daniele Veneziano, P.E.
David Biggs, P.E., S.E.
David Cooper, P.E.
David Davidowitz, ConEd
David Hoy, S.E.
David J. Hammond, P.E., S.E.
David Leach, P.E.
David M. Parks, ME
David Newland Sc.D., FREng.
David Peraza, P.E., S.E.
David Ranlet
David Schomburg
David Sharp, S.E.
David T. Biggs, P.E.
Dean Koutsoubis, S.E.
Dean Tills, P.E.
Delbert Boring, P.E.

Dennis Clark (IST)
Dennis Dirkmaat, Ph.D.
Dennis Mileti, Ph.D.
Dennis Smith
Dharam Pal, M.E.
Dick Posthauer, S.E.
Donald Friedman, P.E.

Donald O. Dusenberry, P.E.
Ed Jacoby Jr., NYSEMO
Ed McGinley, P.E.
Ed Plaugher, Chief, Arlington FD
Edward A. Flynn, Arlington Police Chief

Edward M. DePaola, P.E., S.E.
Edward Stinnette, Chief, FCFD
Eiji Fukuzawa

Fahim Sadek, P.E., S.E.
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D., P.E., S.E.
Frank Vallebuono, FDNY Battalion Chief
Anthony Varriale, FDNY Captain
Frank Cruthers, FDNY Chief
Frank Fellini, FDNY Chief
Joseph Callan, FDNY Chief

Daniel Nigro, FDNY Chief of Operations
Nick Visconti, FDNY Deputy Chief

Peter Hayden, FDNY Deputy Chief
Sam Melisi, FDNY Firefighter
Forman Williams, Ph.D., P.E.
Francis J. Lombardi, P.E.
Frank Gayle, Sc.D.
Frank Greening, Ph.D.
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B.
Fred Endrikat, FEMA USAR

Gary Keith, V.P. NFPA
Gary Steficek, S.E.
Gary Tokle, Asst. VP, NFPA

George Tamaro, P.E., S.E.
Gerald Haynes, P.E.
Gerald Wellman US&R
Structural Specialist
Glenn Corbett
Graeme Flint
Guy Colonna, P.E., NFPA

Guylene Proulx, Ph.D.
H.S. Lew, P.E., S.E.
Hal Bidlack, Lt. Col. USAF (ret.), Ph.D.
Harold E. Nelson, P.E., FSFP.E.
Harry Martin, AISC
Howard R. Baum, Ph.D., M.E.
J. David Frost, Ph.D., P.E.
J. David McColskey
Jack Brown Deputy Chief Loudoun County (Va.) Fire Rescue Department
Jack Messagno, WTC project Manager (Tully)
Jack Spencer, P.E.
Jacques Grandino, P.E., S.E.

James A. Rossberg, P.E.
James Chastain US&R Structural Specialist
James H. Fahey, S.E.
James J. Cohen, P.E., S.E.
James J. Hauck, P.E., S.E.

James Lord, FSFP.E.
James Milke, Ph.D., P.E.
James Quintiere, Ph.D., P.E.

Jan Szumanski, IUOE
Jason Averill, FSFP.E.
Jeff Rienbold, NPS
Jeffrey Hartman, S.E.
Jim Abadie, Bovis
Joel Meyerowitz
John Fisher, Ph.D., P.E.,

John Flynn, P.E.
John Gross, Ph.D., P.E.
John Hodgens, FDNY (ret.)
John J. Healey, Ph.D., P.E.
John J. Zils, P.E., S.E.
John L. Gross, Ph.D., P.E.

John Lekstutis, P.E.
John M. Hanson, Ph.D, P.E.
John McArdle NYPD ESU (DTC)
John Moran, NYPD ESU (NTC)
John O'Connell, Chief FDNY
John Odermatt (NYC OEM)
John Ruddy, P.E., S.E.
John Ryan, PAPD
John W. Fisher, P.E.

Jon Magnusson, P.E., S.E.
Jonathan Barnett, Ph.D
Joo-Eun Lee P.E., S.E.

Josi Torero, Ph.D.
Joseph C. Gehlen, P.E., S.E.
Joseph Englot, P.E., S.E.

Jozef Van Dyck, P.E.
Juan Paulo Morla, S.E.
Karen Damianick, P.E.
Karl Koch III
Karl Koch IV
Kaspar Willam, P.E., S.E.
Keith A. Seffen, MA, Ph.D.
Ken Hays
Kenneth Holden
Kent Watts
Kevin Brennan, OSHA
Kevin Malley, FDNY (ret.)
Kevin Terry, S.E.
Kurt Gustafson, P.E., S.E.
Larry Keating (IW 40)
Lawrence C. Bank, Ph.D., P.E.
Lawrence Griffis, P.E.

Lawrence Novak, P.E., S.E.
Leo J. Titus, P.E.
Leonard M. Joseph, P.E.

Leslie E. Robertson, P.E., S.E.
Long T. Phan, Ph.D., P.E.
Lou Mendes, P.E., S.E.
Louis Errichiello, S.E.
Manny Velivasakis, P.E.
Mark Blair
Mark Kucera, USACE
Mark Pierepiekarz, P.E., S.E.
Mark Stahl
Mark Tamaro, P.E

Mark Volpe, IW 40
Marty Corcoran
Matthew G. Yerkey, P.E., S.E.
Matthew McCormick, NTSB
Melbourne Garber, P.E., S.E.
Merle E. Brander, P.E.
Mete A. Sozen, Ph.D., S.E.
Michael Burton, P.E.
Michael Dallal
Michael Fagel, Ph.D., CEM
Michael Hessheimer, S.E.
Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D., ATP, CFI

Michael Tylk, P.E., S.E.
Michel Bruneau, Ph.D., P.E., S.E.
Mike Banker, FDNY Capt. (SOC)
Mike Marscio, P.E.
Miroslav Sulc,, P.E., S.E.
Mohammed Ettouney
Mohammed R. Karim, Ph.D.
Morgan Hurley, FSFP.E.
Nestor Iwankiw, Ph.D., P.E.
Nick Carcich
Norman Groner, Ph.D.
Pablo Lopez, P.E., S.E.

Patrick McNierney, P.E., S.E.
Paul A. Bosela, Ph.D., P.E.
Paul F. Mlakar, Ph.D., P.E.
Paul Sledzik
Paul Tertell, P.E.
Pete Bakersky
Peter Chipchase, S.E.
Peter Rinaldi, P.E.
Phillip Murray, P.E.
Pia Hoffman

Rajani Nair, S.E.
Ralph Castillo, P.E., F.P.E.
Ralph D'Apuzo, P.E.
Ramon Gilsanz, P.E., S.E
Randy Lawson
Raul Maestre, P.E., S.E.
Raymond F. Messer, P.E.
Raymond H.R. Tide, P.E., S.E.
Reidar Bjorhovde, Ph.D., P.E

Richard Bukowski P.E., FSFP.E.
Richard G. Gewain, P.E., S.E.
Richard Gann, Ph.D.
Richard Garlock, P.E., S.E.
Richard J. Fields, Ph.D.
Richard Kahler US&R Structural Specialist
Robert Athanas (thermal imaging specialist, FDNY)

Robert C. Sinn, P.E., S.E.
Robert Clarke, S.E.
Robert F. Duval (NFPA)

Robert Frances US&R Structural Specialist
Robert J. McNamara, P.E., S.E.

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D.
Robert Ratay, Ph.D., P.E., S.E.
Robert Shaler, M.D.

Robert Smilowitz, Ph.D., P.E
Robert Solomon, P.E.
Robert Wills, AISC

Ron Dokell, president, Demolition Consultants
Ronald Greeley, Ph.D.
Ronald Hamburger, P.E., S.E.
Ronald J. LaMere, P.E.
Ronald Rehm, Ph.D.
Ronald Spadafora, FDNY D.A.C
Ruben M. Zallen, P.E.
Russell "Rusty" Dodge Jr, Asst. Chief, Fort Belvoir FD
Ryan Mackey
S. Shyam Sunder, P.E., S.E.
Saroj Bhol, P.E.
Saw-Teen See, P.E.
Shankar Nair. P.E., S.E.
Shawn Kelly, Arlington County Fire Marshal
Skip Aldous, Lt. Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.)

Socrates Ioannides, P.E., S.E.
Sonny Scarff
Stan Murphy, P.E.
Stephen Cauffman
Stephen W. Banovic, Ph.D.
Steve Douglass, image analysis Consultant
Steve Rasweiler, FDNY B.C. (SOC)
Steve Spall, P.E., S.E.

Stuart Foltz, P.E.
Terry Sullivan, Bovis
Theodore Galambos, P.E.
Theodore Krauthammer, Ph.D., P.E.
Therese P. McAllister, Ph.D., P.E.
Thomas A. Siewert
Thomas Eagar, Sc.D., P.E.
Thomas Hawkins Jr, Chief, AFD
Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D
Thomas Schlafly, AISC
Timothy Foecke, Ph.D.
Todd Curtis, Ph.D
Todd Ude, P.E., S.E.
Tom Scarangello, P.E.
Tom Stanton (IST)

Tomasz Wierzbicki
Tony Beale, P.E.
Valentine Junker
Van Romero, Ph.D.

Venkatesh Kodur, Ph.D., P.E.
Victor Hare, P.E.
Victoria Arbitrio, P.E.

Vincent Dunn, FDNY (ret.)
W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E.
W. Lee Evey

Wallace Miller
William Baker, P.E., S.E
William E. Luecke, Ph.D.
William Grosshandler, Ph.D., ME
William Howell, P.E., S.E.
William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA
William McGuire, P.E.
Willie Quinlan, IW
Won-Young Kim, Ph.D
Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.
Yukihiro Omika
Zdenek Bazant, Ph.D., S.E.

ACE Bermuda Insurance
AEMC Construction
AIG Insurance
Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington
Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue
Allianz Global Risks
American Airlines
American Concrete Institute
American
Institute of Steel Construction
American Red Cross
Applied Biosystems Inc.

Applied Research Associates
Arlington County Emergency Medical Services

Arlington County Fire Department
Arlington County Sheriff's Department

Arlington VA Police Department
Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee
ARUP USA
Atlantic Heydt Inc.
Bechtel
Berlin Fire Department
Big Apple Wrecking
Blanford & Co.
Bode Technology Group
Bovis Inc.
Building and Construction Trades Council
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville
Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.
California Incident Management Team
Carter Burgess Engineering
Celera Genomics
Centers for Disease Control
Central City Fire Department
Central Intelligence Agency

Cleveland Airport control tower
Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics
Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee
Consolidated Edison Company
Construction Technologies Laboratory

Controlled Demolitions Inc.
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat

Counterterrorism and Security Group
CTL Engineering
D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.
DeSimone Consulting Engineers
Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners

DiSalvo Ericson Engineering
District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon
D'Onofrio Construction
E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews
Edwards and Kelcey Engineering
Engineering Systems, Inc.

Environmental protection Agency
Exponent Failure Analysis Associates
EYP Mission CriticalFacilities
Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
Falcon 20 crew in PA
Family members who received calls from victims on the planes
FBI Evidence Recovery Teams
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Insurance Co.

FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California
Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task
Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2,
Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade Miami, Nebraska


FEMA Disaster Field Office
FEMA Emergency Response Team
FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3
Fire Department of New York
Fort Myer Fire Department
French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department
Gateway Demolition
Gene Code Forensics
Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.
Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP
GMAC Financing

Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers
Guy Nordenson Associates
HAKS Engineers
Hampton-Clarke Inc.
HHS National Medical Response Team
HLW International Engineering
Hooversville Rescue Squad.
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department
Hoy Structural Services
Hughes Associates, Inc
Hugo Neu Schnitzer East

hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC
Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives
Industrial Risk Insurers

Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15
J.R. Harris & Company
Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority
Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.
KCE Structural Engineers
Koch Skanska
Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates
Laboratory Corp. of America
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

Leslie E. Robertson Associates
LIRo Engineering
Listie Volunteer Fire Company
Lockwood Consulting
M.G. McLaren Engineering
Masonry Society

Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.
Metal Management Northeast
Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue
Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
Murray Engineering
Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.
National Center for Biotechnology Informatics
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
National Disaster Medical System
National Emergency Numbering Association
National Fire Protection Association

National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute
National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
National Military Command Center
National Reconnaissance Office
National Response Center
National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems

National Security Agency
National Transportation Safety Board
National Wrecking
Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center
New Jersey State Police
New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force

New York City Department of Design and Construction
New York City Department of Environmental Protection
New York City Office of Emergency Management

New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
New York City Police Department Aviation Unit
New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
New York Daily News
New York Flight Control Center
New York Newsday

New York Port Authority Construction Board
New York Port Authority Police

New York State Emergency Management Office
New York State Police Forensic Services
New York Times
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew
Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs

Numerous Forensic Anthropologists
Numerous Forensic Dentists
Numerous Forensic Pathologists
Numerous Forensic Radiologists
NuStats
Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Office of Emergency Preparedness
Office of Strategic Services
Orchid Cellmark
Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering

Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
National Emergency Numbering Association
Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services
Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association

Pennsylvania State Police
Pentagon Defense Protective Service
Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team
Pentagon Medical Staff
Pentagon Renovation Team
Phillips & Jordan, Inc.
Port of New York and New Jersey Authority

Pro-Safety Services
Protec
Public Entity Risk Institute
Purdue University Engineering Dept.
Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc
Rosenwasser Grossman Consulting Engineers
Royal Sun Alliance
Royal Indemnity
SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams
SACE
Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams
Salvation Army Disaster Services
several EPA Hazmat Teams
several FBI Hazmat Teams

several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams
Severud Associates Consulting Engineers
Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company
Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers
Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire

Society of Fire Protection Engineers
Somerset Ambulance Association

Somerset County Coroner's Office
Somerset County Emergency Management Agency

Somerset Volunteer Fire Department
St. Paul Travelers Insurance
State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company

Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI
ASCE)
Structural Engineers Association of New York
Superstructures Engineering
Swiss Re America Insurance
Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
Teng & Associates
Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.
TIG Insurance
Tokio Marine & Fire
Transportation Safety Administration
Tully Construction
Twin City Fire Insurance
Tylk Gustafson
Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

Underwriters Laboratories
Union Wrecking
United Airlines
United States
Air National Guard
United States Fire Administration
United States Secret Service
United Steelworkers of America
University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research
US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County
US Army.s Communications-Electronics Command
US Department of Defense
US Department of Justice
US Department of State

Virginia Beach Fire Department
Virginia Department of Emergency Management

Virginia State Police
Vollmer Associates Engineers
Washington Post
Weeks Marine
Weidlinger Associates
Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering

Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
Whitney Contracting
Willis Group Holdings
WJE Structural Engineers
Worcester Polytechnic Institute

World Trade Center security staff
XL Insurance
Yonkers Contracting
York International
Zurich Financial
Zurich Re Risk Engineering


http://wtc7lies.googlepages.co/someoftheagencies,organizationsandindivi

 

[bill smith]

The following people and organizations have endorsed the basic story of 9/11. In total, they represent about 70,000 people. All of them were first-hand participants in some aspect of the events of 9/11.

Alan Rosa, P.E., S.E.
Alfred D. Barcenilla, Sr., P.E.
Allan Jowsey, Ph.D.

<chop>

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.co/someoftheagencies,organizationsandindivi

Don't tell me- these are the scientists who worked under contract to NIST ? The ones who individually investigated small discrete areas of investigation and had no say in what way Shyam Sunder and his gang pulled all the seperate threads of information together ?
Not enough I'm afraid.

 

[SteveAustin]

Nothing except for the fact that they don’t believe that is was. There are, and have been, no end of opportunities for them to do so if they so wished.

You, of course, have to make this accusation to justify your belief.

Why do you assume that because they are not all crying out “Controlled Demolition” they are being coerced into silence?

As for criticisms of NIST there have also been many University of Edinburgh Dr. Usmani, Arup Dr. Barbara Lane, et al, Dr Greening to name a few. If they believed that the destruction was caused by Controlled Demolition they could have said so.

But, they don’t.

Woof!

Do you all not see the contradiction in this belief of yours? (meaning all you JREF "debunkers").

This is the JREF "debunker" mode of thought...

"Anyone who has not spoken out against the Official Conspiracy Theory automatically accepts and endorses the Official Conspiracy Theroy. While at the same time anyone who has not spoken out against the Controlled Demolitions has not done so because (insert reason here)"

Are you lurkers seeing this? I certainly hope so. This is a glaring insight into the skewed thinking of "debunkers"

 

[SteveAustin]

Don't tell me- these are the scientists who worked under contract to NIST ? the ones who individually investigated small discrete areas of investigation and had no say in what way Shyam Sunder and his gang pulled all the serate threads of information together ?
Not enough I'm afraid.

Bigal also forget to take in the human psychology aspect of it that we have repeadetly brought up but the "debunkers" refuse to acknowledge, and that is why someone would remain quiet. Like the fear of losing a job and not being able to support yourself or your family, heck even fear for your life.

Notice how they always gloss over that psychological aspect of it!

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And the ultimate proof of acceptance by the engineering community: the building codes have been changed to reflect an investigation that concluded that impact and fire damage caused the collapse.

Dave

See what I mean Bill, Dave here completely ignores the human psychological aspect of why people would remain quiet, and he does so while trying to convince people that remaining quiet and doing your job means you accept the Official Conspiracy Theory.

 

[Dave Rogers]

See what I mean Bill, Dave here completely ignores the human psychological aspect of why people would remain quiet, and he does so while trying to convince people that remaining quiet and doing your job means you accept the Official Conspiracy Theory.

A new way to win an argument: Whenever an opponent refutes your point, claim that it was an unsuccessful attempt to refute a different point. If he goes on to refute that point, claim it was an unsuccessful attempt to refute a third point. Eventually you will be able to return to the original point and claim that it also has not been refuted. This way, you can confuse your audience into thinking your points are unaddressed.

Looks like Schopenhauer missed a trick.

Dave

 

[bill smith]

Bigal also forget to take in the human psychology aspect of it that we have repeadetly brought up but the "debunkers" refuse to acknowledge, and that is why someone would remain quiet. Like the fear of losing a job and not being able to support yourself or your family, heck even fear for your life.

Notice how they always gloss over that psychological aspect of it!

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See what I mean Bill, Dave here completely ignores the human psychological aspect of why people would remain quiet, and he does so while trying to convince people that remaining quiet and doing your job means you accept the Official Conspiracy Theory.

lol

 

[BigAl]

Don't tell me- these are the scientists who worked under contract to NIST ? the ones who individually investigated small discrete areas of investigation and had no say in what way Shyam Sunder and his gang pulled all the serate threads of information together ?
Not enough I'm afraid.

Everyone with a PE in their title is subject to serious legal action if anything they've written is later found to be wrong. Why would all these people put their careers at risk if they were not very sure that the conclusions were accurate?

 

[bill smith]

Everyone with a PE in their title is subject to serious legal action if anything they've written is later found to be wrong. Why would all these people put their careers at risk if they were not very sure that the conclusions were accurate?

A lot of it is in the interpretation of results by Sunder and his gang Al. But even if they obviously deviated from an individual scientists resuts it would be no special problem to put the arm on him and keep him quiet. Everybody has a price Al, or at least a family.